China White/No. 4 Heroin

[MethaContin]

wat is sea and wat is no. 4 heroin?

i have the same Q What is NO.4 Heroin (Iam in south FL and HAVE NEVER EVEN SEEN HEROIN HERE) i hear they have alot in Miami though...........

 

[torontojew]

The vinegar smell is a result of ACETIC ACID impurities. When dopes been heavily purified, it wont have any vinegar smell.

If it has a vinegar smell, its half-assed heroin. Meaning they didint bother purifying it to no ends. Most heroin will have a vinegar smell because the producers dont care about getting it anywhere beyond the 90% mark of purity. What do you think the other 10% is?? Ill guarantee some of it is acetic acid unreacted and uncleaned from the final product. If youve ever smelt acetic acid youd know what im saying. That stuff reaks to high heaven and beyond, you open a bottle of acetic acid and aliens on mars can smell that shit.

Any other smells are the results of the millions of possible cuts they could be using in street grade dope.

TRULY pure dope, will have no odor detectable by a humans nose (now dogs, thats a different story). It STINKS of vinegar when first made. After youve purified it numerous times over, the smell will be gone.

If your dope dont smell, thats a GOOD sign, means the person actually put effort into purifying it, and then cut it with odorless cuts to boot. Injecting acetic acid impurities is just disgusting. Heroin can have MANY possible smells, based on the cuts used. But if its pure dope, it wont smell. If its your average 'pure' dope (90% SEA #4 for example, the stuff you get in the 700 gram unit bricks) will smell like vinegar, because they never go beyond the 90% mark, the amount of effort it takes to get beyond that % of purity is alot of work and not worth it to the "big boys". Most dope should smell like vinegar. But just because it doesnt, doesnt mean its fake dope. Just means its well made dope.

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[mikemikemike]

The vinegar smell is a result of ACETIC ACID impurities. When dopes been heavily purified, it wont have any vinegar smell.

If it has a vinegar smell, its half-assed heroin. Meaning they didint bother purifying it to no ends. Most heroin will have a vinegar smell because the producers dont care about getting it anywhere beyond the 90% mark of purity. What do you think the other 10% is?? Ill guarantee some of it is acetic acid unreacted and uncleaned from the final product. If youve ever smelt acetic acid youd know what im saying. That stuff reaks to high heaven and beyond, you open a bottle of acetic acid and aliens on mars can smell that shit.

Any other smells are the results of the millions of possible cuts they could be using in street grade dope.

TRULY pure dope, will have no odor detectable by a humans nose (now dogs, thats a different story). It STINKS of vinegar when first made. After youve purified it numerous times over, the smell will be gone.

If your dope dont smell, thats a GOOD sign, means the person actually put effort into purifying it, and then cut it with odorless cuts to boot. Injecting acetic acid impurities is just disgusting. Heroin can have MANY possible smells, based on the cuts used. But if its pure dope, it wont smell. If its your average 'pure' dope (90% SEA #4 for example, the stuff you get in the 700 gram unit bricks) will smell like vinegar, because they never go beyond the 90% mark, the amount of effort it takes to get beyond that % of purity is alot of work and not worth it to the "big boys". Most dope should smell like vinegar. But just because it doesnt, doesnt mean its fake dope. Just means its well made dope.

I don't think anyone finishes reading your post after the fent ordeal.

 

[OverDriven]

The vinegar smell is a result of ACETIC ACID impurities. When dopes been heavily purified, it wont have any vinegar smell.

If it has a vinegar smell, its half-assed heroin. Meaning they didint bother purifying it to no ends. Most heroin will have a vinegar smell because the producers dont care about getting it anywhere beyond the 90% mark of purity. What do you think the other 10% is?? Ill guarantee some of it is acetic acid unreacted and uncleaned from the final product. If youve ever smelt acetic acid youd know what im saying. That stuff reaks to high heaven and beyond, you open a bottle of acetic acid and aliens on mars can smell that shit.

Any other smells are the results of the millions of possible cuts they could be using in street grade dope.

TRULY pure dope, will have no odor detectable by a humans nose (now dogs, thats a different story). It STINKS of vinegar when first made. After youve purified it numerous times over, the smell will be gone.

If your dope dont smell, thats a GOOD sign, means the person actually put effort into purifying it, and then cut it with odorless cuts to boot. Injecting acetic acid impurities is just disgusting. Heroin can have MANY possible smells, based on the cuts used. But if its pure dope, it wont smell. If its your average 'pure' dope (90% SEA #4 for example, the stuff you get in the 700 gram unit bricks) will smell like vinegar, because they never go beyond the 90% mark, the amount of effort it takes to get beyond that % of purity is alot of work and not worth it to the "big boys". Most dope should smell like vinegar. But just because it doesnt, doesnt mean its fake dope. Just means its well made dope.

Hey little bitch...did you see that you are going down in your little "OPIATZ WITHDRAWLSZZ WILL KILLZZ ME!!" thread? You address has been posted and hopefully you'll be in jail soon you fucking asshole.

To your post in this thread...NO SHIT SHERLOCK. 99.9% of street heroin is not that pure. We are not dealing with medical grade chemicals here. I've never seen anyone type 4 paragraphs to say the same fucking thing over and over.

You really are a tool. I hope Bubba fucks you in the ass for the rest of your days.

 

[Swerlz]

i have the same Q What is NO.4 Heroin (Iam in south FL and HAVE NEVER EVEN SEEN HEROIN HERE) i hear they have alot in Miami though...........

from what i know.. #4 is Heroin HCL.. not tar, not base, its the salt, thats commonly shot..
and trust when i say this, heroin is not just in miami

 

[phr]

Tar doesn't fit into the classification. Technically though, it would fall into #4 as it is in salt form.

 

[AtiVanHalen]

BAHAHAHA. Oh, my, god. I have absolutely nothing to say about this!

 

[Boiling in Acid]

i like this beige heroin's ''vinegar'' or whatever taste! :D actually never tried any other type...

 

[rachamim]

#4 is a term coined by the DEA in the early 70s to label heroin specifically manufactured of IDUs. It IS heroin hcl.

SEA means South East Asia as in the "Golden Triangle."

As for Tar, any heroin other than freebase or acetate is #4, including $3 until it has potentiators and flavorings added at point of manufacture (POM).

 

[phr]

^
Acetate? Isn't that a salt? (sorry, I know I should have googled it)

 

[ToxicFerret]

^^ Yup, _____ Acetate will be _____ ionicly bonded to acetate, making a salt.

For example, using vinegar to break rocks down into powder results in cocaine acetate. Using HCl, hydrochloride, etc.

 

[phr]

So theoretically, you'd be able to dissolve and shoot a drug in acetate form...

 

[Tokey-tokerson]

How long does the high last? Cause fent ussually will not last but 2-3 hours, but good H will last like 6-7.

Just curious why you called it "China White"? Normally that term refers to heroin with a purity of 75-90+%, and is very light brown to white. I've only had real china white once (well, I mean I had a gram of it only once ), and let me tell you, you only need about 1/4 or so to get the same high as with street shit or tar.

 

[phr]

I posted about the origin of the "china white" term. Originally it referred to pure white heroin from SEA. But, during the 80's when a lot of synthetic opiates(fentanyl, amf, etc) were popular, especially in California, the term was used for them. Basically they were passed off as heroin, so they called it china white.

Now, it's sort of ambiguous. Hardcore old heads strictly use china white to refer to white heroin, while newer users use it for fentanyl etc.

 

[sirLane]

i called it china white cause thats what i was told it was. i never really believed the dealer though as white heroin is rare, especially in texas. i think it was some sort of pharm. the high lasted as long as normal heroin but it was a much more mellow high. its kind of hard to describe but it felt "cleaner". im happier now that i get my regular dark brown heroin now. im much more comfortable with the brown heroin because i know how it was manufactured and have had exp with it.

thanks again for every ones opinions and information. and also thanks for not flaming me too bad for being an idiot...

 

[SpellmanT7]

NO SHIT SHERLOCK. 99.9% of street heroin is not that pure. We are not dealing with medical grade chemicals here. I've never seen anyone type 4 paragraphs to say the same fucking thing over and over.

Can you write a referral letter to my neurologist who said:

From what I hear, the street price of amphetamine is falling lower than ever...

Of course, my reply involved the words clandestine, purity and very nearly So...you are actually saying you'd prefer me to source street speed for treating a condition (ADD) you diagnosed? ? ? ! ! !.

 

[ChemicalSmiles]

I think you should both shut the fuck up. (OverDrive & Eyes)

 

[rachamim]

Yes, it is a salt but that is how the DEA classifies it . They do so, to what I can gather because they do not explain themselves, because acetate is often an intermediate form in total synth. for example, #1 is simply morphine , so why even call it a form of heroin? Only because SE Asians use it as a separate commodity for sale, in the process of total synth.

 

[rachamim]

Put it this way, anytime you use an acid, you salt it. Acetate is the simple form when you combine morphine or morphine base with GAA and heat to bond them together in reflux.

The synth process: Morphine or morphine base (heroin #1) is combined with GAA (any will work, AA is best) and heated for 2 to 6 hours in reflux to form the acetate. This is #2 heroin. Acetate is rarely sold is (hardly anymore because noone would really want to buy it, it is difficult to work with) but usually converted into heroin base (also #2) and either sold as is (if coming from SW Asia, or further converted into a finer salt with hcl acid and a modicum of heat .

#3 that is hardly ever made anymore is simply #4 with additives for flavor and potentiation, as well as a huge amount of active substance like caffeine to lower the melting point in order to make it conducive for smoking.

Finally, #4 can be as is or further refined as they now do only in SE Asia, into a cream bath which upon processing can make it as much as 98% pure which is an incredible figure for illicit heroin (although almost always 93 to 95 percent pure).

China White is just the term coined by addicts and users to describe SE Asian #4. As Phrozen correctly said, it has a newer connotation in that people associate it with Fentanyl, and more usually Fentanyl analogs.

This came about because illcit Fen and its analogs first surfaced in S. California where Mexican Mud (very, very impure form of #4 that appears as #3 in consistency and color), and then shortly after Tar (a technical salt believe it or not so worthy of the labhel #4), is the predominant form. When selling white they had to get people to accept it so they coopted the term used to describe SE Asian #4.

So, is it Fen in Texas? Could be as there was at least one lab in Mexico, and since so many SW Mexicans and SW Mexican Americans have family and other connections in S. California it is likely that at least one would have had the forethought to snag some of that illict Fen and open up a fresh market with it...or it could simply be true #4 because Colombian is sometimes moved from Mexico and the DEA has been predicting for years that Mexicans would one day wise up and trade true #4 as well.

The only way to know is to test it.