happygoluckygal said:
Eliphaz, it really sounds as though you may have experienced a vagal nerve stimulation in the past....which would explain the rebound tachycardia (that happens after the initial bradycardia), visual disturbances (could have been the precursor for fainting and you just somehow managed to not get quite that far) and the like. Something to consider anyway.
Thanks for the reminder, I had considered defects of the vagal nerve earlier but had somehow discarded it as invalid theory. It's possible that the vagal nerve is involved, but I suspect there is more than that to the picture in my case. See, I may be standing somewhere peacefully when the bowel-connected heart flutters, blood pressure fluctuation etc. occur, I usually wonder like "what the fuck is wrong again, what did I eat for this to occur" (as eating something stimulatory or unsuitable for my sensitized system causes similar effects) after which I notice the gut activity and can then foresee the soon to arrive need to have a shit. The trigger definitely is not posture, neither is it any immediate psychological factor, but if bowel movement by itself can cause vagal nerve stimulation then that may well be the route through which the adrenal surge occurs.
However, the vagus nerve is just a relatively insignificant intermediary in the attempt to find the ultimate reason, and thus remedy for the nasty symptoms.
So do you take antacids at close to the same level I do?
Not likely close to the level you do, but I do take lansoprazole daily at the present and while easing my esophagitis symptoms I have no doubt it exacerbates the constipation and bowel difficulties. The simplest explanation would certainly be that the (up to 99 percent) reduction in stomach HCl that antacids & PPI's cause, would cause toxic / active constituents of ingested stuff pass incompletely digested to latter parts of the GI tract and be released to the bloodstream from damaged gut at a site and rate that the system is not comfortable with.
I also take propranolol regularly, so there could a connection in the constipation side of things, but I cannot imagine that alone to be a significant factor.
Seeing ordinary food such as capsicum, seeds or corn pass through the entire digestion process relatively unchanged in a normal person, I have no difficulties to believe that synthetic XR capsules would easily do likewise even in a slightly compromised digestive system.
Do you still take amps and when you do, do you ever get these strange sparkling pins-needles pains shooting down nerves
When I take my small dose of a stimulant drug once or twice a year, I feel super healthy if I'm able to avoid / tolerate the excess sympathetic nervous system activation while coming up. But give 1 to 2 weeks after a single night's use, strange shit starts to pop up. Pins / needles yes, not painful but up to the level where I can wake up at night with either shallow or very strong pulse, not feeling my fingers or entire hand (WITHOUT LAYING ON IT) at all (can smash it to the wall with the help of the other hand without feeling a thing on order to make blood circulate again).
That, and other shit such as visual strobes, BP fluctuation near hyper- or hypotensive crisis, hypnagogic hallucinations etc. are clearly caused vasoconstriction, which I happily have found to respond to a small amount of diazepam for instance.
or some other type of biological conduit?
Biological conduit would be a perfect name for the eerie symptoms that accompany those caused by vasoconstriction. This includes heart "humming" like electric current would constantly pass through it, spasms in the chest muscles or twitching of the abdominal area, not only muscles but at times just minor visual abdominal vibration and instead a feeling like the intestines inside are trembling. I might also get red rash on the neck and whole upper chest.
Impaired
peristaltis throughout the whole digestive channel is a reoccurring symptom, I can at times have great difficulties swallowing food and on the other hand :D passing stool. I do not know whether that specifically is caused by direct damage at the digestive tract or neurotransmitter imbalance, but the tendency that borderline social phobia, paranoid ideation (controllable, happily) and such psychic symptoms correlate with the extent of gut problems, would suggest the latter.
I still on occassion when my bowels move I feel effects clearly hitting
Yes, I can testify that bowel movement can cause visible and massive effects in the autonomic nervous system. Whether that is through the vagal nerve or at least partially due to psychoactive substance stored in stool is interesting, but the direct culprit would in my opinion be semi-chronically unhealthy condition of the GI tract. When considering the connection of neuromodulation to the GI functionality, it gets rather tricky. Thus the ways to track down and fix these problems will of course be highly individual and challenging.
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