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Opioids Can I preload rigs with dilaudid and "save them for later?"

Cane2theLeft said:
We don't have clear documentation and formal studies showing that dilaudid that is cotton-filtered well and refrigerated is THIS harmful compared to micron-filtered dilaudid that has sat out THIS long and so forth.
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Comparing them is nearly impossible yes, but we know that you can safely store a micron filtered solution for 28 days, when you use it with a solution with a preservative.
 
Cane2theLeft said:
^I am not trying to call you out, but do you have documentation of that safety?
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Yes, it comes in the instructions when I buy a 25 count tray of bacteriostatic water. It's also listed on the website that sells the bacteriostatic water.

How long does bacteriostatic water last once it is used?

Hospira recommends that once a vial of Bacteriostatic water is open the preservatives will prolong its life for up to 28 days. After 28 days the vial needs to be discarded. Other injectables without the bacteriostatic agent (single-dose vials) should be discarded after one single use.

Note - Please speak to your doctor before using Bacteriostatic Water or any injection products on adults and small children. Not for use in newborns and not to be used for inhalation.
http://www.mountainside-medical.com/products/Sterile-Water-For-Injection-Bacteriostatic-Water-30-ml.html
 
^Thank you!

My only issue with that documentation is that it does not anywhere claim the safety of using bacteriostatic water for PILL injecting.

I have no doubt that micron filtration and use of bacteriostatic water REDUCE HARM, but to claim this practice is safe without substantiation seems a bit far.
 
Cane2theLeft said:
^Thank you!

My only issue with that documentation is that it does not anywhere claim the safety of using bacteriostatic water for PILL injecting.

I have no doubt that micron filtration and use of bacteriostatic water REDUCE HARM, but to claim this practice is safe without substantiation seems a bit far.
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Yeah, the 28 days I believe would represent "legitimate" uses; for diluting ampules of IV medications.

If you use a micron filter, and the source (tablets) isn't contaminated with something with very fine particles (viruses, some fungus I guess?) then a 0.22um micron filter and bacteriostatic water, should be able to replicate the conditions for legitimate use.

If you just dissolve and not micron filter pills, which could have bacteria on them, then this would not replicate the same legitimate use.

I have used my micron filtered solutions for up to 28 days in the past and I've never had a dirty hit.
 
^Absent substantiation, I still don't think you can accurately say this practice replicates legitimate use. It undeniably makes it safer, but to say AS SAFE without scientific verification is probably not a good idea.

Also, as I said above... lots of times people's failure to experience the consequences of something leads them as well as others to falsely believe its safer than it is.

I'm not saying what you're doing ISN'T safe but I wouldn't claim it is without considerable and trusted verification of the claims.
 
Cane2theLeft said:
^Absent substantiation, I still don't think you can accurately say this practice replicates legitimate use. It undeniably makes it safer, but to say AS SAFE without scientific verification is probably not a good idea.

Also, as I said above... lots of times people's failure to experience the consequences of something leads them as well as others to falsely believe its safer than it is.

I'm not saying what you're doing ISN'T safe but I wouldn't claim it is without considerable and trusted verification of the claims.
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Of course. This is why I don't say that it's 100% safe and risk free. :)
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Yes, it comes in the instructions when I buy a 25 count tray of bacteriostatic water. It's also listed on the website that sells the bacteriostatic water.

How long does bacteriostatic water last once it is used?

Hospira recommends that once a vial of Bacteriostatic water is open the preservatives will prolong its life for up to 28 days. After 28 days the vial needs to be discarded. Other injectables without the bacteriostatic agent (single-dose vials) should be discarded after one single use.

Note - Please speak to your doctor before using Bacteriostatic Water or any injection products on adults and small children. Not for use in newborns and not to be used for inhalation.
http://www.mountainside-medical.com/products/Sterile-Water-For-Injection-Bacteriostatic-Water-30-ml.html
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as long as there's a decent preservative within the bacteriostatic water then it should be kosher for the 28days as stated.

i wouldn't keep the preserved solution any longer than the 28 days (refidgerated) recommended either. it's too easy to make a new solution if you've any doubts about it at all!
 
leftwing said:
as long as there's a decent preservative within the bacteriostatic water then it should be kosher for the 28days as stated.

i wouldn't keep the preserved solution any longer than the 28 days (refidgerated) recommended either. it's too easy to make a new solution if you've any doubts about it at all!
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I believe I have used a solution for longer than 28 days but as Cane has already stated, this doesn't make it safe or reasonable.

I know for a fact I have just dissolved a pure drug (not pills) in bacteriostatic water and left in a syringe for at least days if not a week or longer, and haven't suffered adversely. As Cane has stated though, this is not a guarantee this wouldn't be potentially hazardous if I were to do this again though, there's no guarantee that it's safe to do.

Thanks for your 2 cents though Lefty. :)
 
Cane2theLeft said:
Personally I can't and even if no one posts information that does, is absence of evidence actually evidence of absence?

I think you're PROBABLY right essentially, just wanted to point out that the logic of assuming you are because no one shows you are not is not sound.

Furthermore 'risk worth worrying about' is rather subjective and absent other criteria, unquantifiable.
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Did you just quote the UFO disclosure project, or do you have no idea what im talking about? haha.
 
John_Burrows said:
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I know we're all better safe than sorry, but really, can anyone tell me that a well-prepared (i.e. clean) shot of dilaudid that has sat in a fridge for 24 hours actually poses a risk worth worrying about?

I know the chances of bacteria leading to infection or cotton fever aren't zero, but I think all of us are sometimes in positions where we have to deal with risk - its just a matter of educating ourselves to minimize the risk to the point where it's minimal.
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The supposed limit for bacteria in water to be considered still safe is 500 colony forming units per milliliter. Despite this fact, recent independent tests of various bottled water brands yielded readings of 100-80,000CFU/mL.

A rough way to gauge how much bacteria you would end up with over 24 hours is to use a division rate of once every 20 minutes. Assuming ideal conditions, starting with 500 CFUs, dividing every 20 minutes you would end up with about 31,547,867,112,466 CFUs after 24 hours had passed. Yes, that's 31 trillion.

This is not going to occur in the real world for a number of reasons, but it should give you an impression of just how quickly bacteria can become an issue. Unless you're micron filtering and using bacteriostatic water, bacteria is still a real problem (not to mention soluble inactive ingredients as others have mentioned.)
 
caseface99 said:
Did you just quote the UFO disclosure project, or do you have no idea what im talking about? haha.
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I'm not at liberty to discuss this but I fear you already know too much.

I've never heard of the 'UFO disclosure project' but I know Carl Sagan originated that expression and I've heard it used in many contexts. Its basically just a clever and succinct way to argue against the logical fallacy of appealing to ignorance.

Constantly around here I here people saying "I did [insert stupid/dangerous activity] for a long time and I'm fine so you're good" or variations of this and the logic of this statement alone makes me cringe. Furthermore, this can very possibly result in harm for people who make the assumption that just because one person did not experience certain consequences that they too will not.
 
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