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Can anything overpower meth?

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I don't really enjoy the effects of meth too much but Im in college and somtimes when i got a shit load of work to do it does wonders. Last night i didn't sleep a wink and to me that sucks, tried drinking a pint and a half of wine and smoke some weed to knock my ass out but that just made me a really awake drunk.

The question is, can anything overpower meth to knock my ass out?
 
Yes, a moderate to high dose of benzodiazepines can knock you out ... of couse, this assumesyou have access to benzos ... Halcion (Triazolam) is by faer the best for your needs... but hey, whatever you can get...

Another idea is to consume the meth in a way in which it will be SHORTER ACTING, for instance, ceartinly don't take it orally or you WILL be up all night, or instead of snorting, smoke it - while not the most healthy way to take the drug, you will find the effects don't last nearly as long ...
 
Benzo's all the way. Rohypnol would be the best, but xanax and even valium will do the job. In my opinion meth + benzo's is about 10 times better then meth without. With the benzos you can sleep right when you start comming down....yummy.
 
Why the fuck to people CONSTANTLY suggest Rohypnol? It's almost dead on par with Klonopin, and while the media totes it as "10 times as strong as Valium" its only about 1/3rd as strong as Halcion ...

Besides, the new formulation of Rohypnol doesn't disolve as quick, besides, the shit is so fucking hard to get you will end up paying about 2x-4x what you would for it compared to an equally strong benzo you can get right her in the US ...
 
take less meth. Just take like 10-25mgs, just enough to get you more focused, not all tweaked out. Hate meth personally, but with meth, less is more.
 
I will offer an alternative to the benzos.

I you have access to a free clinic (alot of colleges have student health centers that charge little if anything) try and get a sample pack of seraquel. Alot easier than getting a script for benzos, one sample pack will knock you out at least for five uses. Course, you'll have to learn about it to know what to say to get some, but it should be easy since thier isn't any stigma. check out rxlist, they are alot of routes you could go. One way is to say you get bouts of weak mania, nothing to serious, but the stress lately is making it worse. Say you've tried seroquel in the past cause mood stabiliziers made you a zombie and didn't help the mental uneasiness. If they will want med. records, then be vauge and say you would prefer an atypical anti-psychotic because you want to stop the worst feautures of the mania but without a major personality change.

Sounding like you know what your talking about could help you or hurt you, it has done both to me. Try and talk to a younger female psychiatrist, and avoid older males, IMO. A psychologist with a RNP or PA cert. might even be the best, as long as they don't specilize in substance abuse.

This is all based on my experience, and I don't mean to apply it across the board.
 
PhreeX,
I like Rohypnol the best, because I can get it in mexico for 1 dollar a 2mg pill. And 1/4 of 1 pill will put me to sleep after a trip. I would probably need about half a pill after a good amount of meth. Also, the ones that I had actually tasted pretty good, so chewing then was actualy pleasureful. Price, quickness of effect, and sheer sleep inducing power rohypnol beats any benzo I've tried. I haven't triend Klonopin though, just valium and xanax. For me i would need about 2-3mg of xanax to do what 1mg rohypnol can.
 
Why the fuck to people CONSTANTLY suggest Rohypnol? It's almost dead on par with Klonopin, and while the media totes it as "10 times as strong as Valium" its only about 1/3rd as strong as Halcion ...
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I couldnt agree more. Rohypnol is overrated. And $1 a 2mg pill it is a little pricey. Id much prefer a couple .25mg halcion tablets, it just feels much more powerfull, and effects my benzodiazapine receptors to a greater extent than most other benzos. And yes, I can still stay awake if i dont take too excessive of a dose. I also find it more euphoric. Versed is another good benzos for me, especially IV.

I know certain benzos work differently on certain people When i take rohypnol, i usually have to take a large dose, 6-10mg, and ive tried generic and name brand. Rohypnol isnt bad, but like phreex said, its not a whole lot better than klonopin. Nitrazepam is alot like rohypnol in my opinion, it just isnt as potent.
 
TheTruth: I hadn't actually seen that chart before, its pretty interesting. However, the chart surely won't work for everyone. For me, rohypnol is the strongest, most cost effective sleep aid that ive tried. I havent tried halcion though. To each his own i guess :)
 
Diazepam is probably the most cost effective and easily available benzodiazepine for sleep. Regarding flunitrazepam, I was prescribed Hypnodorm (available in Australia) and I agree that it's remarkably similar to nitrazepam and nimetazepam, and personally, these are more useful as a hypnoric, and "stronger" ie works better for ending meth runs. Triazolam costs more here, and the window for sleep is very short...
I would lump clonazepam, alprazolam and lorazepam (though most people don't agree on that last one) together - it' a different feeling and personally, these doesn't really end meth runs per se, but sorta balances things out...sleep isn't readily forthcoming with the anxiolytics, unless combined with alcohol.
They're great for daily maintainence though, much stronger for managing anxiety/bzd dependence, so IMHO it's like comparing apples and oranges. :)
 
Your choice is either a moderatly high dose of benzodiazepines; preferrably short acting, or anti-psychotics such as Seroquel and Zyprexa.

Anti-psychotics work much better but won't gradually lift you away from the meth and euphorically putting you to sleep as a benzo might, but rather just knock you out. I prefer to be knocked the fuck out after a binge of methamphetamine. If you decide to use anti-psychotics though you are creating more neurotoxicity cuz they block dopamine on top of having your dopamine drained from the meth use.
 
Last night i didn't sleep a wink and to me that sucks, tried drinking a pint and a half of wine and smoke some weed to knock my ass out but that just made me a really awake drunk.
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Amphetamines have a strange effect with alcohol where you can basically drink large quantities of alcohol without getting drunk.

The question is, can anything overpower meth to knock my ass out?
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Personally, benzodiazepines aren't enough to get me to sleep even when I'm sober. They relax me and make me drowsy, but they don't just knock me out.

Now both Seroquel and Zyprexa knock me out sober and I have used them to knock me out on various drugs with stimulant effects or stimulants themselves, including methamphetamine.

Also, a high dose of Ambien (20mgs or more) can get me to sleep on meth or 4-mar. For me, it's more effective than benzos but not as effective as Seroquel and Zyprexa and doesn't always work.

take less meth. Just take like 10-25mgs, just enough to get you more focused, not all tweaked out.
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Again, personally, if I take any amount of amphetamines to notice an effect, it's going to cause insomnia. Even a mere 10mg pill of Adderall will keep me up all night.
 
yeah, halicon *would* be best, but it's GOD-DAMN hard to find that stuff!! Even benzos can be hard to procure because of all the negative stigma about addiction that goes along with them. I was reading up on seroquel and it labels it as an antipsychotic but you take it to go to sleep ? Can you get halicon in mexico ?
 
It basically depends on the person and there tolerance to benzos. I switch every few months from xanax to klonapin. 1mg 3 times a day. 2 at bed time. But here is the key. if you take a benzo every day or alot. It's not going to help. Maybe help you easy some of the meth's effect. Seroquel is a very good drug to knock you out. But also that depends on frequency of use. I would suggest trying to switch up as much as possible.. as far as opiods to make you sleep, well none of them make me sleepy, so I'm no help there. But I think the thing to understand is that every medication has the possibility to effect everyone different. Some people do not have the enzyme in there body to break down Codien. so basically it just passes through there system untouched. So really its a matter of trial an error.
 
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