Opioids Can anyone give tips on how to sleep during opiate/opioid withdrawal?

[nznity]

probably gonna get grief for this but may i suggest 200mg quetiapine. its knocks me the fuck out for 12 hours easy. but build up a tolerence very quickly.

X2. Quetiapine works wonders to sedate the fuvk out of you.

 

[scottcrud1234]

100% agreed. it makes me hungry as fuck when its kicking in, but when im in the kitchen my head feels like a bowling ball and i feel like im going to be sick unless im lying down, fuck the food off and go with the flow

 

[tokayeahok]

Klonopin is the shit. It's actually twice as potent as Xanax by weight but because it is such a long half life drug, it isn't felt so intensely, not to mention obviously dofferent benzos have dofferent effects.

I find Klonopin to be a top tier benzo for detox but its also really helpful to have a short acting drug for breakthrough anxiety during the day. It's got good sedation for a long duration at the correct dose, however tolerance to its effects build quickly and once you're tolerant. We'll you know what you gotta do. Take more. This minimizes time spent actually ingesting klonopin and instead of just being in a "Koma" for a week while you detox you're at least moderately conscious ND don't build a tolerance to either med too quickly.

For the benzo naive I think about 1.5 mg klonopin is a good enough dose to at least ease withdrawal symptoms enough to be big relief for like 4-8 hrs before it's worn off. I believe .50-1 mg lorazepam/ativan, up to 3 times a day should in theory be enough to keep them relaxed during the day combined with klonopin in the afternoon if necesarry. Ambien ER/zolpidem tart ER 12.5 mg is sedating enough combined with .5 mg-1mg klonoin to make a hungry bear go back into hibernation.

If you are benzo tolerant these dosages will need ti be changed to accommodate your normal use of the drugs and they may not even be effective for detox relief in the case of klonopin if used as da daily medication already and in that case caliuk is a fucking perfect substitute, just watch the noodles swings and don't knock the TV over between getting uncountable, cereal and mtn dew.

Benzos give me the biggest munchies...

benzos give me the most insane munchies. one time i was so delusional i was trying to cook a scrubbing sponge (for dishes) in fucking olive oil. LMAO

 

[phall]

How much benzo do u hAve to take to try eating a sponge lol

 

[tokayeahok]

How much benzo do u hAve to take to try eating a sponge lol

for me, it was about 12mg of alpraz. i wish i still had the video of it my friend took

 

[endlessnameless]

Alprazolam or Diazepam. At this stage I cant sleep a wink at the moment with the wds and dont think I can get any sleeping tablets until Monday. If I'm lucky I might just sleep tonight as I did manage to force myself to go for a 30min cycle earlier this evening. I have a little hash there in case it goes into 3 or 4 days and I'm still awake but only as a last resort as it makes me far too anxious.

Gabapentin and pre-gabalin certainly work but I hate the way they make me feel the next day eg. the dizziness, the phlegm, dry mouth and just dazed.

 

[tokayeahok]

Alprazolam or Diazepam. At this stage I cant sleep a wink at the moment with the wds and dont think I can get any sleeping tablets until Monday. If I'm lucky I might just sleep tonight as I did manage to force myself to go for a 30min cycle earlier this evening. I have a little hash there in case it goes into 3 or 4 days and I'm still awake but only as a last resort as it makes me far too anxious.

i wouldn’t touch the hash, i didn’t sleep for 4 days during wds and then tried some edibles and it backfired and i sat there having a panic attack and never slept lmao

 

[endlessnameless]

i wouldn’t touch the hash, i didn’t sleep for 4 days during wds and then tried some edibles and it backfired and i sat there having a panic attack and never slept lmao

Thats exactly what I'm afraid will happen. I know I'll most likely just end up staring at the ceiling in an all night long panic attack about the future and likely everything else too. I just dont get the whole weed/hash thing.

 

[tokayeahok]

Thats exactly what I'm afraid will happen. I know I'll most likely just end up staring at the ceiling in an all night long panic attack about the future and likely everything else too. I just dont get the whole weed/hash thing.

don’t get me wrong, as a teenager it would’ve done the trick. but like many others as well as you & i, a switch was flipped around 20-21 to where it just never was the same again

 

[endlessnameless]

I reckon if it was legalised it could be worked out to a point where people could use it medicinally without finding themselves in a six hour situation where they think their entire world is collapsing in on top of them.
I fondly recall my visits to Toronto and enjoyig 'Marys Brew' THC infused tea and it being *incredibly* agreeable - not at all too far flung from a mild opioid affect. The very same in Lanzarote when I came across a 'cannabis club' where we were offered a choice of various sorts without fuss. Actually, we were presented with an entirely new problem in that situation, in that at home I'd have no choice but to take all that was offered as opposed to then being presented with an arrary of sorts from which I didnt know what to choose from, save from Indica as a general rule were it for myself due to my propensity towards anxiety.

 

[tokayeahok]

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I reckon if it was legalised it could be worked out to a point where people could use it medicinally without finding themselves in a six hour situation where they think their entire world is collapsing in on top of them.
I fondly recall my visits to Toronto and enjoyig 'Marys Brew' THC infused tea and it being *incredibly* agreeable - not at all too far flung from a mild opioid affect. The very same in Lanzarote when I came across a 'cannabis club' where we were offered a choice of various sorts without fuss. Actually, we were presented with an entirely new problem in that situation, in that at home I'd have no choice but to take all that was offered as opposed to then being presented with an arrary of sorts from which I didnt know what to choose from, save from Indica as a general rule were it for myself due to my propensity towards anxiety.

only time in the last 5 years where i’ve thoroughly enjoyed it was in seattle when i lived there for a few months, and going to the dispensary and getting the highest cbd + indica bud i could find, which did feel quite nice. but any pal offering me bud or dabs, every time i try it, it SENDS me lmao

 

[Branggen]

benzos, cannabis, eventually after about 2-3 days of no sleep youll just fall asleep for short periods no matter how shit you feel so you could just wait it out but it feels baad

 

[DeadHead781]

Ket is in the same class of drugs as dxm, but it really is rather different. Dxm in low doses is kind of like alcohol, then when you take more it induces quite an out of body experience, but a bit more dirty than K. K in small amounts makes you euphoric and dampens and sedates, and makes you feel a bit "wonky". A k hole is really quite mind blowing. It kind of feels like I'm dead, and I have the most indescribable and bizarre thoughts, sometimes forgetting I've taken anything and this is my permanent headspace. It's worth a try, but it can be scary as fuck. I'd recommend trying small bumps first.z

Methadone doesn't really block other opiates, it just jack's up your tolerance so H etc isn't really effective. Methadone is very potent.
10mg will have an opiate naive person puking and high for almost 2 days, and H addicts often are on 100mg or more. It's still possible to use H on top, and if you IV you'll get a rush, but it's nowhere near as good as your tolerance is so high cos of the methadone.
People often end up with 2 habits, and, if they stop the H/fent etc. they'll rattle even when they take their methadone, but not as badly as they would without their meffy.
Tl/Dr meffy doesn't block, it just jack's up tolerance so street gear isn't as effective, so most people lose interest.

Exactly I'm on the clinic , have been for going on at least three years. Methadone saved my life . I tried Suboxone for years before and the didn't work for me. The thing with the clinic is when you first start your usually so sick you want too go up on your dose as fast as you can. With a habit you need a high dose too make you feel better and too hold you as long as possible. I fucked up was clean for awhile just taking my dose but then slipped up. Trying too rid myself of the double habit as been very hard , my dose is 90mg I haven't used in almost two days and feeling a little shitty but def not clucking climbing the walls. I have some doses I saved and have to take another later at night .

 

[unapologeticmistake]

Benadryl is practically considered mandatory and is like purified gold plated with pure platinum in the context of treatment centers. It's generally considered non harmful, non addictive, and easily tolerated by most people. Although studies do suggest that small.doses are ideal(not this 10mg sfuff you can buy. Like 1mg) and the effect quickly disappears after a few days of use(although it doesn't seem to have cessation effects from what I've seen). This is contradicted by a body of anecdotal literature published by every treatment center I've been to which suggests the best dose is "as much as they will let you take at once" taken "literally every nigjt" for a duration of "until they shove your corpse in the oven/coffin". Since it doesn't seem to have serious adverse effects and the place of effect is a real quantifiable phenomenon which is often as powerful as the medicine we take, I can see both of these being simultaneously true and potentially advisable. Although you can placebo yourself without taking a chemical(you can derive placebo effect even when you know what you're taking is a placebo, yoy just have to expect a placebo effect", so I always think the most conservative answer is the most sensible. Less is.more. except when more is more, in which case do more, duh.

 

[Ton Croose]

Stilux Rotundin helps me sleep in any situation. But it takes a few weeks to arrive from Vietnam

 

[bobinoon]

For me the best way is to combine pregabalin (~300-600 mg) + quetiapine (up to 200 mg). Why that mix? Because pregabaline as muscle relaxant help to reduce restless legs syndrome - one of WD effect that makes difficult to fall asleep.

 

[SuxOxone]

benzos give me the most insane munchies. one time i was so delusional i was trying to cook a scrubbing sponge (for dishes) in fucking olive oil. LMAO

Better than the time grandpa found me doing a back bend like somn out of The Grudge in the kitchen while I was visiting the family I suppose. Yeah. Bbenzos, especially short acting will do that to ya.

 

[SuxOxone]

clonidine, a benzo, and some weed if you’re into that - i personally can’t smoke because of anxiety it can help the mental part of it && alleviate some stress. do not take a antihistamine such as benadryl unless you’re on gabapentin or enough benzos to manage the restless leg.


red strain maeng da helped me get at least an hour in opiate withdrawal.

the shitty part is, you’re not going to sleep like you want to. it’s part of withdrawal and something you’ll have to deal with, unfortunately and there isn’t a catch-all for it. if you can’t sleep, then watch some movies or something that occupies your time.

i wish you the best of luck. you got this. xo

If there is anything jail has taught me, its detox is mostly mental. I just did a few days in the county Yale and did I feel like shit? Yes. Did I have a seizure or two cause they wouldn't give me any meds? You bet. But once I got cleared out of the "dry cells" or the "fishbowl" as some might call it at day 3, that little victory of just being able to get time on the phone and talk to my people had me up as a mf. Seemed like the withdrawals went away in 2-3 days and that's with a 16 mg a day sub habit or about a .5-1 Gram of fetty a day IV and at least 3mg klonpin a day. But as soon as that bond hit you knownthose cravings kicked into high gear and I couldn't sleep all mf night waiting for release and thinking bout those medsssss.

There are honestly 2 really shitty things about opiate withdrawal: the effect is has on sleep and gastrointestinal distress. No pun intended.. tbut fr the worst part of being addocted to somn the stops you from shitting is having to run to the toilet you share with 40 other dudes every 30 minutes to drop turds the size of warheads the consistency of half baked pottery clay and damn near walk away from every dump like you just got jumped. Not to mention limited TP in the joint so... wipe sparingly bitch. You'll need that roll. It's gon be your pillow too if you're savvy. Not like they got any of those fuckers in the joint. The sleep though.... oh my God. It's like bro I'm in fucking jail. We're on lockdown 12 hours a day. All I can think about is drugs and hownits fucked up that I'm I'm jail on trumped up charges and how I meed my scripts and the jails violating the ADA, and I'd just rather sleep til my bond hits but those cunts ain't giving you so much as a benadryl and they dont give a fuck if youre having seizures ubless you smash your head on the steel toolet seat and they find your corpse 2 hours later djring a routine check; if they even do the check. You're lucky if you've got a buddy on the pod with you prescribed Mirtazipine or Haldol and they cheek it for you, then maybe, just maybe you might sleep an hour or 2 uninterrupted.

All ofnotnsave for the shitting due to years of intestinal blocking stops at like day 2 in jail and not til like day 10 in the real world. Why? Because everything is amplified by your brains fight or flight response. And you can't fight or fly in a fuckin cage. Rehab you're allowed to leave if you want so it's not the same. Granted that sobriety won't also worth shit bc it was thrust upon you but nonetheless it's an interesting thing to think about.

 

[SuxOxone]

Can someone explain methadone a bit more for me. I understand the long half life . Gradual build up and reduction etc. Ppl mention it blocking effects of opiates .I thought it just a slow acting opiate?.

also the rls . Antihistamines make it worse.is this a fact of personal opinion?.

finally what can I take on methadone for rls.

my own experiences have been going cold and doing weed. Then found kr atom but experienced health issues off it long term. Last attempt was just working down opiate ladder to sr morphine and reducing but this still left few weeks with no sleep and maybe few months depression.

cheers guys ..phall

Methadone doesn't "block opiates;" it's a full agonist opioid itself, therefor it should in theory relieve 100% of you withdrawal symptoms including RLS. If it isn't you haven't stabilized yet and you need a larger dose, wnd of story.

Based on dosing intervals and clinic hours, technically methadone does build up in your system and as far as I knowneven gets into your bone marrow with prolonged use and can cause tooth decay. Half life is 24-48 hours like buprenorphine based meds but it's much more therapeutic for people who just aren't ready to quit full agonists I'm considering switching back to methadone because I'm in an endless cycle of filling sub scripts and dosing dope for a couple weeks then going in for the sub refill and only taking em when I need to to get by.

Antihistamines make rls worse when taken in doses exceeding 4 tablets worth of benadryl. I believe it's 100mg, but dont quote me on that bc its been a while since I checked that label out. I just know i need 3 of them bitches in detox as opposed to 1 vistoril for sleep aid; combined with clonidine, flexeril and valium of course.

 

[tokayeahok]

If there is anything jail has taught me, its detox is mostly mental. I just did a few days in the county Yale and did I feel like shit? Yes. Did I have a seizure or two cause they wouldn't give me any meds? You bet. But once I got cleared out of the "dry cells" or the "fishbowl" as some might call it at day 3, that little victory of just being able to get time on the phone and talk to my people had me up as a mf. Seemed like the withdrawals went away in 2-3 days and that's with a 16 mg a day sub habit or about a .5-1 Gram of fetty a day IV and at least 3mg klonpin a day. But as soon as that bond hit you knownthose cravings kicked into high gear and I couldn't sleep all mf night waiting for release and thinking bout those medsssss.

There are honestly 2 really shitty things about opiate withdrawal: the effect is has on sleep and gastrointestinal distress. No pun intended.. tbut fr the worst part of being addocted to somn the stops you from shitting is having to run to the toilet you share with 40 other dudes every 30 minutes to drop turds the size of warheads the consistency of half baked pottery clay and damn near walk away from every dump like you just got jumped. Not to mention limited TP in the joint so... wipe sparingly bitch. You'll need that roll. It's gon be your pillow too if you're savvy. Not like they got any of those fuckers in the joint. The sleep though.... oh my God. It's like bro I'm in fucking jail. We're on lockdown 12 hours a day. All I can think about is drugs and hownits fucked up that I'm I'm jail on trumped up charges and how I meed my scripts and the jails violating the ADA, and I'd just rather sleep til my bond hits but those cunts ain't giving you so much as a benadryl and they dont give a fuck if youre having seizures ubless you smash your head on the steel toolet seat and they find your corpse 2 hours later djring a routine check; if they even do the check. You're lucky if you've got a buddy on the pod with you prescribed Mirtazipine or Haldol and they cheek it for you, then maybe, just maybe you might sleep an hour or 2 uninterrupted.

All ofnotnsave for the shitting due to years of intestinal blocking stops at like day 2 in jail and not til like day 10 in the real world. Why? Because everything is amplified by your brains fight or flight response. And you can't fight or fly in a fuckin cage. Rehab you're allowed to leave if you want so it's not the same. Granted that sobriety won't also worth shit bc it was thrust upon you but nonetheless it's an interesting thing to think about.

yeah jail honestly works great tbh because when you know you can’t get the drug, 100%, you just surrender to circumstance