Camping, would dosing LSD twice in a day be worth it?

[Fieldy]

So please give us a scientific reference to this cockamamie theory you keep insisting on of "receptor saturation". You are just making shit up that SOUNDS scientific but really has ZERO basis in research. So you are saying that the LSD molecules stick in the receptors for many many hours?... WHICH ONES??? According to what I have read LSD actually has reactions with quite a wide array of receptors. It would seem that if it totally competitively occupied ALL of them for HOURS AND HOURS that many other things would start to go wrong. Show me links to research evidence that LSD works by "occupying receptors" for many many hours like some sort of glue. Aha, you can't because there isn't any. This is just another stupid theory that you have pulled outa your ass and then strut around proudly as if you are speaking science, when it's merely rank amateur speculative hogwash. Don't ask me "then why this and why that." That's no answer to my question, just evasion and misdirection. Show me the scientific evidence for your baseless guesswork. It's ridiculous, you have no idea what they hell you are bloviating on about, pretending you are some self-proclaimed "expert." Put up or shut up.

Good post, about time someone told that tosspot where to go...

 

[Ismene]

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Do you have any positive contribution to make to the thread or is that the limit of your intelligence you tiresome arsehole?

 

[DwayneHoover]

I shouldn't bother answering this but I'll indulge you because I like you... Receptor saturation is merely a suggestion... When I take precious, hard to find LSD I want to TRIP from it. I don't want a "renewed sensation". Y'follow?

Thanks. I like you too, enough that I enjoy "sparing" with you. I just wish you didn't have to put on airs of being a "know it all" and behave with a little more humility. Then again, look at me, pot calling the kettle black, haha.

Well the OP asked if it was at all worthwhile to take a second dose several hours later in order to "keep going" on a day-long camping trip, which I extended to a daylong music fest example. Yes, I agree you are not going to get another "full fledged trip." But if redosing can extend some of the effects that you enjoy (some visual enhancement, feeling of open mental stimulation, etc) in order to stay "psychedelicized" for several more hours, even if only mildly so, that would seem to fit the criteria being sought.

And yea, I think receptor downregulation is a likelier scenario to explain the tolerance effect then "blocking" or "saturation."

But I wonder why a later dose of MDMA or shrooms seems to work pretty well, when alot of these things share the same receptors? Well as you say, even that much is just guesswork, so who knows. But if it's just to extend the experience by a modest amount, it does seem like for many redosing can be rewarding, but it probably depends on many individual factors.

 

[Fieldy]

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Do you have any positive contribution to make to the thread or is that the limit of your intelligence you tiresome arsehole?

sorry i have no time for people who think they are above others when i don't see enough evidence to back up their own theories! Either way you cant seem to take constructive criticism. Each to their own, obviously your one of those people who simply cant handle others opinions and thinks they are always right. Freedom of speech buddy, deal with it or just shutup

 

[Fieldy]

well the op asked if it was at all worthwhile to take a second dose several hours later in order to "keep going" on a day-long camping trip, which i extended to a daylong music fest example. Yes, i agree you are not going to get another "full fledged trip." but if redosing can extend some of the effects that you enjoy (some visual enhancement, feeling of open mental stimulation, etc) in order to stay "psychedelicized" for several more hours, even if only mildly so, that would seem to fit the criteria being sought.

qft

 

[Ismene]

sorry i have no time for people who think they are above others when i don't see enough evidence to back up their own theories! Either way you cant seem to take constructive criticism. Each to their own, obviously your one of those people who simply cant handle others opinions and thinks they are always right. Freedom of speech buddy, deal with it or just shutup

That's fine, just don't come on threads making pointless insults. Try and add something a little constructive. I don't have any time for your bullshit either but I don't mind you posting as long as you make a valid contribution. The board is for each of us to express our opinions - it isn't for your precious thought only. Try a little humility once in a while it'll do you the world of good.

 

[Fieldy]

Mate i dont care what you think, you don't have to be a wanker and shut others voices down so quick with no real evidence besides your personal theories bud! Obviously you do have time for bullshit because you seem to lurk this thread alot ;-) end rant

 

[Ismene]

Well the OP asked if it was at all worthwhile to take a second dose several hours later in order to "keep going" on a day-long camping trip, which I extended to a daylong music fest example. Yes, I agree you are not going to get another "full fledged trip." But if redosing can extend some of the effects that you enjoy (some visual enhancement, feeling of open mental stimulation, etc) in order to stay "psychedelicized" for several more hours, even if only mildly so, that would seem to fit the criteria being sought.

We'll have to disagree there Dwayne. I think LSD is too precious to throw away on the tiny, if any, reward you get from dosing after 7 hours. If you have access to a never-ending store of LSD for free then I'd say yeah - try it. Otherwise don't bother.

But I wonder why a later dose of MDMA or shrooms seems to work pretty well, when alot of these things share the same receptors?

LSD seems to put the most ferocious grip on the receptors or the most long-lasting effect on the brain. I remember trying oral DMT after LSD and felt nothing - the DMT couldn't seem to get a hold although apparantly smoking DMT does work. Strange.

 

[Ismene]

Mate i dont care what you think

Start another thread somewhere about it mate. Don't pollute this with more of your tiresome bullshit. Cheers.

 

[Fieldy]

^ keep winging all you want, you were so quick to dismiss others experiences were you not? lol fail

 

[Ismene]

^^

Yawn.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Amen.

Personally, I wouldn't take anything else while on LSD. I don't like the unpredictability. I would probably just take 2 hits of the LSD at once; it can last for a surprisingly long amount of time.

MDMA can be a nice mix with LSD, not too unpredictable and adds a really pleasant effect.

I probably should have been more specific and said any other psychedelics, or any of the substances mentioned by the OP. Most amphetamine-type drugs too. And in general when trying other drugs while on LSD it's best to be really careful and take less than usual. Personally I don't even like smoking pot while on LSD but I have no tolerance at all to pot and don't generally like its effects; some people really enjoy smoking pot with acid, especially during the come-down phase. Other things like MDMA or opiates etc, things that are less intense and that give one a warm gentle happy feeling, can be very pleasant during the come-down phase as well.

Sorry you got flamed for saying that it's not worth it to take LSD twice in a row and that perhaps the tolerance was due to receptor blockage - people seemed to attack the suggestion of the possible science behind it as a way to ignore the core statement which was that LSD undoubtedly creates a fast tolerance. The argument technique is known as a "logical fallacy" ;-)

Once I took 3 hits of LSD and it lasted for about 50 hours. I thought it was going to last forever, lol.

 

[DwayneHoover]

Actually if I recall my "acid head" days, I believe that adding a dose of some speedy substance several hours into an acid trip always seemed to bring back some of the trippy effects, albeit only for a brief period (an hour or so).

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Actually if I recall my "acid head" days, I believe that adding a dose of some speedy substance several hours into an acid trip always seemed to bring back some of the trippy effects, albeit only for a brief period (an hour or so).

Yes speed can intensify the effects, I just meant I thought the combination was too unpredictable and I didn't like the idea of it potentially intensifying the effects too much.

 

[Fieldy]

dont expect when you attack someone they wont fight back u dickhead. Your obviously a narrowminded twat!

 

[Ismene]

I probably should have been more specific and said any other psychedelics, or any of the substances mentioned by the OP.

Yeah, not too many oral psychedelics seem to go with LSD, I think you can mix mushroom with them if you take the mushrooms early enough but it's not too great. I think mescaline might go well but never got round to trying it.

Once I took 3 hits of LSD and it lasted for about 50 hours.

LOL, yeah as long as you smoke enough ganga!

 

[Ismene]

Actually if I recall my "acid head" days, I believe that adding a dose of some speedy substance several hours into an acid trip always seemed to bring back some of the trippy effects, albeit only for a brief period (an hour or so).

Have you every tried slipping coke into the mix Dwayne? I found it a little uncomfortable when the crash hit.

 

[Fieldy]

Look you can redose and get some minimal effects but in the end it will not be like how the trip was for the first few hours.

 

[Ismene]

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Certainly that's what I found. But I'd go furthur than "minimal effects". I remember taking 6 blotters about 7 hours after 2.5 blotters and felt absolutely nothing. Now, some people might get a bit more than that but I'd question whether it's worth pissing away 6 blotters for a return of minimal to nothing.

 

[Survived Abortion]

^Well tolerance is a personal thing. So in the OPs case, there is no harm in giving it a go. I would be very suprised if he felt nothing from a redose of 2 hits.