bupe equivalence to oxy

[zed8323]

I've only used Temgesic .2 sublinguals{never took more than 10 or 2 mgs in a day] for oxy WDs and never got high,but it did help make it bearable along with some catapres.

 

[ophizzle]

how come i cant?

i read all these posts of users catching nods and good buzzs off the bupe. im comin off a h habit and when i take 8mgs to 16mgs a day i feel nothing at all not even small pupils or anything. whats goin on? its day 4 ive been on bupe first day i took it i went into hell w/ds worst ive ever had sweating puking curled up in the fetal position in a blanket with towels in it screamin shaking mania. when will i feel the bupe at all and what if i stopped it or tapered real quickly can i get off it and use another opiate where will my tolerance be ?

 

[sixpartseven]

To the OP, i think oxy is more euphoric than bupe is. Bupe isnt that great of a high IMO, but I do think that in terms of strength, about 3mg's does seem close to 40mgs of oxy.

 

[lee harvey]

i read all these posts of users catching nods and good buzzs off the bupe. im comin off a h habit and when i take 8mgs to 16mgs a day i feel nothing at all not even small pupils or anything. whats goin on? its day 4 ive been on bupe first day i took it i went into hell w/ds worst ive ever had sweating puking curled up in the fetal position in a blanket with towels in it screamin shaking mania. when will i feel the bupe at all and what if i stopped it or tapered real quickly can i get off it and use another opiate where will my tolerance be ?

You're supposed to wait 24 hours after your last dose of heroin to start bupe, that's why you got thrown into wd's. My friend did that and ended up in the hospital. You need to give us more about your history and dosing; how long, how much, and what other junk are you on to answer those other questions. Bupe withdrawal at the 16mg/day level is going to be hell. For sure you need a highly extended taper.

 

[ophizzle]

how does everyone get buzzed n nods? i shot a whole 8 mgs and felt nothing at all subutex. i dont understand

 

[blahblahblahblah]

Your not supposed to feel anything thats the point.

It doesnt sounds like your ready to put your barrels in their holsters quite yet are ya partner [I crack myself up sometimes]. For real though, if you are itching to use, use. Bupe is a med to get off strong narcotics, its hardly abusable when you have a tolerance.

 

[ophizzle]

recovery song

since im not able to catch any fukin buzz off this fukin bupe i put my energy into writing this song , i play guitar n drums.

So sick and tired of bein sick and tired
So sick and tired of bein sick and tired

I just wish you would leave me alone
The first time we met i couldnt feel any better
I knew you had my love from the very first start
I let you into my sore and broken heart
But when you'd leave me I'd hurt more than before
So i knew you were the one that would make me feel better

So sick and tired of bein sick and tired
So sick and tired of bein sick and tired

I wish I'd never met you
I've never felt so good in life
When i begged to just leave me alone
I knew you never would do that for mee
You kept comin back a little more at a time
And before i knew it you took everything i called "mine"

How will i ever again feel like im just fine
How will i ever again feel like im just fine

 

[hashforlife]

Is it just me or does the dosages for bupe with a certain tolerance to full agonists vary very much?

One friend of mine who uses heroin daily pukes from snorting 1mg every time. I have a higher bupe tolerance, but lower heroin toerance than him. To me it seems bupe tolerance is partly independant from agonist tolerance.

The effects people get is very different as well, which is proven just here in this thread. For some its a poor help even just for wd. releif, and others get better effects from the bupe than the agonist even I am very happy to be one of those who actually get some high from bupe, however slight:D No nodding though, I get closer to spun from bupe in terms of sedation.

Overall, its the best opioid for me to use on a daily basis. It supresses the need for any other drug, except the occasional benzo for meetings etc. I get things done, relax and wake up fresh. At 1mg a day, its also very cheap.

:D :D :D :D

 

[jasoncrest]

Overall, its the best opioid for me to use on a daily basis. It supresses the need for any other drug, except the occasional benzo for meetings etc. I get things done, relax and wake up fresh. At 1mg a day, its also very cheap.

I agree with you, I'm exactly like you. (except that I take 24mg/day...)

 

[swybs]

^^^ but don't you think, considering how there isn't much of a feeling, you would rather have nothing then something that is sooo subtle? I personally want to discontinue taking it, but I keep slipping and having "rough weekends", which begins the whole routine over again...just curious, considering how my perspective on bupe has changed...


swybs

 

[liquidheaven]

To the op, I think 3.2 mgs is probably 40mgs. It's such a different feeling because it comes in strong waves for me (which happen through the day even up to 6 hours after taking it), whereas oxy hits you strong and fast and then lets you down slowly.

Bupes not like that.

And I took subutex once and thought it to be so much less pleasant than suboxone. Subutex just made me feel queesy. Suboxone makes me feel good.

 

[lee harvey]

I'm clean from bupe now but even at the rediclously long tapering schedule that took 4 weeks, down to .2mg per day I still felt an unpleasant withdrawal. What was most unpleasant about the withdrawal is that it took 5 days after stopping before I even felt it, then it was like 7 days of feeling very stiff, anxious, slightly depressed, headachy, spine pain, and terrible gastrointestinal distress. In fact my intestines are still not back to normal. The wd isn't anywhere near as bad as ct heroin but you just can't get off scott free.

 

[swybs]

^^^ lee, I find the stomach discomfort the worst--though it isn't necessarily in the form of the squirts but rather sharp intestinal pains--are those what you are experiencing?

swybs

 

[PhillyDedHed]

I take 12mg of Suboxone in the morning and 12 at night, I feel absolutely nothing in the way of "recreational" It makes me not crave thats about all...If I were to put 12mg into the Narcotics Converter it tells me its equivalent to roughly 150-300mgs of Oxycotin..I wish

I am also on it due to my dope habit..I'm 50ish days clean now yay

 

[lee harvey]

I find the stomach discomfort the worst [...] sharp intestinal pains--are those what you are experiencing?

Yeah, pains, and bad farts, and weird shitting. Still have that goin on after weeks.

I can't imagine taking a total of 24mg's a day, that's insane to me. That's gonna be killer to get off of. That shit really sticks around in your system.

 

[blase deviant]

Ummm... I see people recommending snorting it, but is this any more effective than just letting it dissolve under your tongue?

Also, that narcotic dosage convertor is screwy... apparently 2mg bupe is equivalent to "25-50mg" of hydro, as well as "25-50mg" oxy... but it's the only one that has bupe on it, and perhaps bupe is more varied in reactions between people, so that's why it has 25-50, and the same dose for two different opioids of different potency? I do notice it compares it to 50mg morphine though... no variability there.

As for the bupe intended to kick opiates comments, I'm not addicted, it's just... we can't discuss price, but if that convertor is accurate it'd be a lot cheaper to get high on bupe for me, ASSUMING bupe is as euphoric as an equiv. dose of another opiate, for someone who doesn't take it daily (say, following at least the skip 2 days rule that always worked for me to avoid tolerance).

 

[PhorIndicator]

I take about 36 mgs of bup a day and don't really experience any high per say..... but taking 16 mg sublingually along with 4-6 mgs of klonopin and 20 mg of dextrostat and 300 mg of effexor gets me goin pretty nicely.

Of course, you might say, its the other drugs, not the suboxone, that make you feel good anyway, but the case is not so. Ths suboxone is crucial to the high. That 16 mg sublingually will provide me with a slight "rush" for the next hour and just chill with me for another 6-8, when i take some more. I love bup, its my favorite opiate excluding heroin, for reasons which someone mentioned earlier - its long ass half-life. And it keeps me from getting high. No other drug ive ever been on has been able to accomplish such a feat.

 

[PhorIndicator]

Ummm... I see people recommending snorting it, but is this any more effective than just letting it dissolve under your tongue?

Also, that narcotic dosage convertor is screwy... apparently 2mg bupe is equivalent to "25-50mg" of hydro, as well as "25-50mg" oxy... but it's the only one that has bupe on it, and perhaps bupe is more varied in reactions between people, so that's why it has 25-50, and the same dose for two different opioids of different potency? I do notice it compares it to 50mg morphine though... no variability there.

As for the bupe intended to kick opiates comments, I'm not addicted, it's just... we can't discuss price, but if that convertor is accurate it'd be a lot cheaper to get high on bupe for me, ASSUMING bupe is as euphoric as an equiv. dose of another opiate, for someone who doesn't take it daily (say, following at least the skip 2 days rule that always worked for me to avoid tolerance).

Bup is definitely not more euphoric than any other opiate/oid except propoxyphene. For someone with an opiate habit, it especially will not give you the same "high", but it will alleviate all withdrawal symptoms (both physical and psychological) and in this way it DOES produce a nice high, just not a euphoric one. You'd have to get a running definition of "euphoria" that everyone agrees upon to truly evaluate the comparison of bup vs. any other opiate.

In response to your question about sublingual vs. snorting.... sublingual is the best way to take bup, period. It has a 10% oral bioavailability, which is why they rx it to be taken sublingually, where its bioavailability is somewhere between 50-60%. The key is (and I think someone should create a thread on this, as well as how to administer a drug rectally) taking it sublingually correctly.

To properly take any drug sublingually, first, moisten your mouth so its not dry. Second, be prepared to not open your mouth for anything for at least the next 15 minutes, depending on how many pills your sublingualizing, 20-30 minutes.
Third, put the pill directly underneath your tongue. Fourth, engage in some activity where you head is going to be slightly tilted downwards for the next 15-30 minutes.
Fifth, do not open your mouth at all. No talking, eating, smoking, or drinking, whatsoever. Breathe through your nose. Keep your mouth closed and tilt your head downwards at an angle (10-30 degrees). This will maximize your sublingual absorption, and you will get every bit of the drug that you are supposed to. Enjoy

 

[Brasterford]

And I took subutex once and thought it to be so much less pleasant than suboxone. Subutex just made me feel queesy. Suboxone makes me feel good.

Don't you mean Subutex makes you feel better than Suboxone, rather than the other way round? Were you taking it intravenously?

Disprin is also made by Reckitt Benckiser who manufacture Suboxone/tex it seems as if its there own corperate logo. To me it seemed like an altered version of a caduceus, that sword and the crooked handle is what implied that.

Is Reckitt Benckiser another name for Schering-Plough (this is the pharmaceutical that manufactures the Subutex I get)?

I think it is a sword because if it were a syring it wouldn't be tapered to a point like a sword is.

 

[motiv311]

a lot of users underestimate bupes recreational "advantage" ... when i started experimenting, YES a half of an 8 mg sublingual would make me feel like i just snorted a 40 oxy. sometimes it made me feel better!