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bupe equivalence to oxy

lee harvey

lee harvey

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I checked a narcotics converter and it came up with 3.2mg of bupe being equivalent to 40mg of oxy.
http://www.medcalc.com/narcotics.html

Can anyone testify to the legitimacy of this? And can anyone testify to the euphoric index between the 2 substances. i.e. If I take 3.2mg of Temgesic buprenorphine, will I attain the same euphoric effect as 40mg oxy.

I know bupe lasts a lot longer then ox but any experienced input on this welcome.
 
why r u interested in the euphoria between the two??u still clean arent ya??
 
I dont know some of my non addicted friends compare 4mg of bupe snorted to 40mg of hydro or 20-30 of oxycodone

keyword: non addicted, non habituated, normal tolerence
 
there is no way 3.2 mg of bupe is equal to 40 mgs of oxy....

and bupe isnt euphoric at all man....

I would say 40 mgs of oxy is like 1.5-2mgs of bupe max..

but they are both so different
 
belfort said:
why r u interested in the euphoria between the two??u still clean arent ya??
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For the most part, I had 2 very minor relapses on dope, didn't shoot it either, that only lasted 2 days.

I'm back to my pre-dope happy self. No PAWS anymore. Once or twice a month I want a productive opiod buzz. I'm able to control myself like I used to. It's the smack that I can't handle.
 
Who knows ppl react quite differently on bupe. If you are taking 60-80mg of oxycodone daily I dont know how recreational bupe would be for you. First you would have to wait till the agonist [oxy] is out of your system, to prevent a unwanted w/d situation because of bupes properties. Second having a tolerence to opiates would effect the bupes effects substantially.
 
Short version: Please do not try to get "high" with bupe, its somewhat futile, and more valuable as a mood-lifting tool in the .5-1mg range

As a person who has been taking buprenorphine every day for over 2 years now, and was previously a regular oxy user, I would say that a person who does not presently have a physical dependance upon oxy or other opioids who takes 3.2 mg of buprenorphine would most likely find it to be a relatively unpleasant experience.
The overall "opiatedness" from the bupe in such a person would be very powerful, in my opinion the inebriation would compare to at least 60mg of oral oxy (in other words, too much). It is difficult to compare to snorted oxy because snorting bupe still takes 2 hours to reach peak blood levels. The person would find themselves very nauseous, very itchy, very dizzy, and not very euphoric!!! I should add that this person would likely be feeling ill for around 2 days, possibly more, thanks to buprenorphine's long half-life in the human body.

In my personal experience, observations and opinion: The overall euphoria of bupe is highest (yet still will NEVER compare to oxy, or ANY full-agonist opioid) when one has taken a dose that would give a good "pain-killing" effect, without seeking a "nod" or a "high"... In my experience buprenorphine can be used to "take the edge off" a stressful day, but it is absolutely retarded to try to use it to get "fucked up".

If you really want some personal numbers and advice:
I went from using 40mg of oxy/day to 2mg of bupe per day, and the bupe was roughly equivalant in "Staying power", but there was absolutely NO HIGH from bupe until months later when I had weaned my dose down to 1.5mg.

My advice when trying ANY NEW DRUG, especially OPIODS is to START SMALL! Take the minimum dose you've ever heard of anybody feeling, and always err on the side of caution. Remember you could always take more later... In the case of bupe, an OD won't kill you, but will be VERY UNPLEASANT/wasteful.
 
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The thing about bupe is it has that pesky cyclopropylmethyl group in its structure. That has been put there in place of N-methyl deliberately to try and hamper its abuse potential. Most of us already know this however
 
who me? You get semi recreational effects of bupe still, takes the edge off after 2 yrs? I have been on for I dont even know a little over 3 yrs now and I get absolutely nothing from my dosing except for the relief of not being sick. Never do I catch a slight feeling of euphoria, nod, or anything. Even when higer doses are taken. I am habituated at roughly 1-3mg daily. Or was, I will be back on schedule in a couple days. It just goes to show you how different ppl react to this drug.

I kinda hear you about it 'taking the edge' off, but could you try and expand on that a little further as I am curious as to the effects you receive. How long do you go between dosing 24 hrs or so?
 
i've taken 4mg without doing opiates/opiods for about a month, and felt great. definately feels more dopey than oxy though. start with 2mg and work your way up though, just to play it safe.
 
uumpaloompa said:
start with 2mg and work your way up though, just to play it safe.
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I agree with that. Snort 1-2mg, wait to see what happens, then see if you wanna do more....

There can be no equivelency chart between Bupe and other opiates, because Bupe is a very atypical/different opioid.

And its effects differ from one person to another. So, even if you take 60mg Oxy, don't take more than 1mg Bupe the first time, nasally or sublingually it kicks in fast, so you can see if you want more... you can go up to 8-16mg...
 
yea, I mean even though this has been discussed, I suppose it always warrants further discussion because the reactions between different people are quite dramatic (eg, I feel nothing euphoric about it, even after taking it (approx 8mg or lower per day, for days in a row, and even during the first day, whereas my friend seems like to lime them around the 40mg range, which--imo, is a complete waste, but he swears by them--his normal oxy intake was 2 80s at a time, orally, uncrushed, and my dose was higher--anyway, even when my oxy daily intake had been much lower, I never got euphoria from subuxone).

swybs
 
well just remember you can't break the ceiling affect of 32 mgs, so don't even try anything bigger than that :)
 
that equivilance may be correct as far as potency goes, but you damn sure cant compare bupe to oxy as far as euphoria goes.. bupe is given to opiate addicts bc of its low abuse potential. you will probably get a buzz when your first on it but it will go away.. if your tolerance is high enough to opiates you may not even get a buzz but ive seen ppl with lower tolerance (not opiate naive) nod prety fuckin hard and long
 
axl, I agree--though this guy has been popping pills for over 10 years straight, and he swears that he feels a significant difference between 32 and 40 mg (trust me, we constantly argue about this, considering I try to keep my dose at 2mg or so, and he just sucks the fuck out of what can be a full 2 weeks supply in one day).

I don't know if it is the fact that he takes them over the course of the day, and quite honestly, I have never experienced euphoria from bupe (and I have tried up to 32mg)--I asked him many times, to, say, compare it to an oxy high, and he says that he finds 40 mg to be equivilent (albeit, slightly different) to 2 80mg orally, over the course of the day. Must be something more than psychological for him, since this motherfucker BURNS through subuxones and will even take 3 (24mg) of subuxone over 1 oxy 80mg...I can kind of agree of the staying power, but I explained to him that I think he is going to experience some serious WDs when he discontinues his use of subuxone...funny thing is, with such high doses, he has run out and not been able to score and gone three days or more without experiencing serious WDs....also, I think this has contributed to him not liking oxies as much, considering his level in his body, even a day or two after, is prolly still very high.

in any case, I guess--if i had no drugs and had a choice between 1 80mg oxy or 1 8mg subuxone, I will choose the subuxone, simply because it has the potential to hold me 2 days minimum, whereas chosing the oxy creates a fear of god that the following day I will have nothing (and that having nothing shit is old, I am done with that--too many WDs, too many times).

swybs
 
40 mg is a lot, From my experience and everything i've heard and read, it should start cancelling itself out at around 24 mg, but if he likes it, then who am I to tell him he's wrong(with all the newly "accredited" bupe doctors, it's probably easier for him to find suboxoe than oxy nowadays). Personally, I could never take that much, 8 is a lot for me, much more than that and I'll notice it even less than a much smaller(4 or 2 mg) dose. I never really noticed much euphoria at all though, but I'm using it to come down off a dope habit, so that's probably me. I'm sure someone with no habit could use it to get off. I would just be worried about how long it stays in your system.

If you had no tolerance whatsoever and took just 2 or 4 mg, you'd probably feel opiated, but it comes on slow(even insufflated, though you start to feel it after 15 mins, it still takes a while to get up to peak levels), and leaves your body even slower. You'd probably still be feeling it the next day even if you took it recreationally in the morning one day, and i don't mean still be high, but be coming down... headache, nausea, over-tired, anxiety, irritable... But to each his own, even when I'm done detoxing, I know I'll be saving at least a few(more to help with wd from any possible relapse than anything else), maybe someday I'll be clean, take one and completely change my mind about it. Who knows?

jr0k

btw. swybs- That guy probably isn't getting wds after three days because he has so much in his system and it takes so long to leave. When I was coming down from eight to four, I did it in one step(one day 8 the next 4) and I felt great the first day, fine the next and then only the third day did I start to feel a lack of opiates in my system. My body adjusted pretty quickly after that, but really I thought I was actually sick(virus or cold), because I had been on four for a ouple days already, it too me a while to realize that it was the higher levels I took the week before being washed out that caused this.
 
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I took 8mg sublingualy the other day and got a nice sedating high... lacked euphoria; but was still quite enjoyable... it takes me 40-60mg of oxy to get high; and 8mg of bupe had me on a good nod I think that 6mg would had been plenty.
 
i just found out that the pill that I was trying to identify earlier that has been tearing through my town like so many new drugs have ben in the past 2 years is bup. The pills say B8 so I assume that is 8 mgs. I know a bunch of people that say they get fucked up off an eighth of a pill too, but one night at my buddys party a few kids were on it and this kid who was one of the most intense pill abusers Ive ever met didnt believe anyone that they were strong and took one and a half that would be 12 mgs at once....that kid got real fucked up
 
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