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Flickering
Bluelighter
Holy SHIT you're right. I did notice a few oddly significant shots of the glasses, especially at the end of last episode. But that would really explain A LOT.
Was there any moment when Walt lost his glasses that they could have bugged them? I'm trying to remember. Probably when he was passed out in his apartment, like you say.
It would explain how Gus knew about the ricin as well. He would probably have overheard Walt convincing Jesse that Gus had poisoned Brock. And he definitely would have heard him in the parking lot.
Awesome thinking.
Tomer
Bluelighter
Flickering,
It would explain a lot but we will have to wait and see, I guess. I think it is obvious that Gus has SOMETHING bugged, but were just unsure what, yet. Thoughts of the plausibility of bugging such thinly framed glasses?
Flickering
Bluelighter
I don't see why not. A small enough device could fit in the bracing mechanism between the glass and where the ear hooks attach. I think it's highly likely, we'll see next episode at any rate.
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
Droppersneck for the win
suburu
Bluelighter
Dont want this season or show to end. Ever
ryestylen
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I think its plausible but pretty far fetched, Walt has said it him self, that Gus is always ten steps ahead of him and if his glasses were bugged it would be fairly easy to be so many steps ahead lol.
Anyway i cant wait for the next episode to come out as these past few episodes have just been out so intense, esspecially ep10.
Does anyone know how many more seasons there will be?
AmorRoark
Bluelight Crew
There is only 1 more season after this.
suburu
Bluelighter
yeah they already said just one more season. Thats good though, cos you cant keep dragging out a show, especially one like this. It will be explosive for sure!
Just finished watching the season finale...
I can't get over how disappointing this season was. It started off slow, and quite frankly boring but I kept watching in anticipation of it picking up sooner or later, and though the past 4 or 5 episodes have been good, I just can't believe how they decided to leave it off.
My biggest complaint is how they killed off Gus. The method was acceptable, but how they showed him walking out of the room with half a face, then collapsing? Are you kidding me!? Why couldn't they leave it up to our imaginations? He is not a terminator! I'm so disappointed in his death that it turned my stomach upside down. Very disappointed.
And the very ending? So Walter basically fucked Jesse twice. Once when he failed to help Jane when she was OD'ing, and again in this season just to get Jesse to do what Walt wanted him to do? I appreciate this character development, you can see how Walt has turned to the dark side.
Overall, it was a decent season, but easily the weakest of the them all. I think seasons 2 and 3 were the best. This season was way too slow paced, dragged out and all the tension was built up for nothing. Very disappointed at the moment. I just can't get over how they killed Gus. So disappointed...
I can't get over how disappointing this season was. It started off slow, and quite frankly boring but I kept watching in anticipation of it picking up sooner or later, and though the past 4 or 5 episodes have been good, I just can't believe how they decided to leave it off.
My biggest complaint is how they killed off Gus. The method was acceptable, but how they showed him walking out of the room with half a face, then collapsing? Are you kidding me!? Why couldn't they leave it up to our imaginations? He is not a terminator! I'm so disappointed in his death that it turned my stomach upside down. Very disappointed.
And the very ending? So Walter basically fucked Jesse twice. Once when he failed to help Jane when she was OD'ing, and again in this season just to get Jesse to do what Walt wanted him to do? I appreciate this character development, you can see how Walt has turned to the dark side.
Overall, it was a decent season, but easily the weakest of the them all. I think seasons 2 and 3 were the best. This season was way too slow paced, dragged out and all the tension was built up for nothing. Very disappointed at the moment. I just can't get over how they killed Gus. So disappointed...
PepperSocks
Bluelight Crew
Wow, great episode. Good humour and action.
Hank: "Well at least he didn't shit himself, guess that's progress"
When the bomb went off I was "Yeah, Gus is dead!" and when I saw him walk out I was "WTF, come on" and then the camera panned to the front of him and I laughed. I was happy to know that he was dead but I laughed at how they made him out to be a terminator. He comes walking after the blast to straighten out his tie. To be honest I think they did that for humour or sensationalist purposes, it obviously wasn't a serious way to see a character die.
Yeah, that hit me too. Walt has lost all morality. The scene where he put his neighbour in risk to test his house got to me, and then the very end just blew it away. I was feeling really good before that scene. It left with Walt and Jesse, revelling in their elation at being free and coming to terms with all they'd been through.
When they were last in the lab and Walt said "We have work to do" I was thinking "You've got to be kidding me, you're going to keep cooking?? Let it go man." then I saw the axe and knew what was up.
The way the episode ended is rough. Walt and Jesse shook hands, peace had been restored to the galaxy, etc. When Jesse finds out (we know it'll come up) it's going to tear them apart and start a war between them. Also, now Jesse has no income. Interesting to see what next season brings but I really feel bad about it, it's not like Walt and Jesse are the glued duo anymore. Walt did something awful.
Glad to see Gus and Tyrus gone and where the hell was Mike? I was surprised for him to have nothing to do with anything that transpired. And poor Tio, I'm going to miss that bell-ringing shitter, I think Hank will too :D
Hank: "Well at least he didn't shit himself, guess that's progress"
When the bomb went off I was "Yeah, Gus is dead!" and when I saw him walk out I was "WTF, come on" and then the camera panned to the front of him and I laughed. I was happy to know that he was dead but I laughed at how they made him out to be a terminator. He comes walking after the blast to straighten out his tie. To be honest I think they did that for humour or sensationalist purposes, it obviously wasn't a serious way to see a character die.
Yeah, that hit me too. Walt has lost all morality. The scene where he put his neighbour in risk to test his house got to me, and then the very end just blew it away. I was feeling really good before that scene. It left with Walt and Jesse, revelling in their elation at being free and coming to terms with all they'd been through.
When they were last in the lab and Walt said "We have work to do" I was thinking "You've got to be kidding me, you're going to keep cooking?? Let it go man." then I saw the axe and knew what was up.
The way the episode ended is rough. Walt and Jesse shook hands, peace had been restored to the galaxy, etc. When Jesse finds out (we know it'll come up) it's going to tear them apart and start a war between them. Also, now Jesse has no income. Interesting to see what next season brings but I really feel bad about it, it's not like Walt and Jesse are the glued duo anymore. Walt did something awful.
Glad to see Gus and Tyrus gone and where the hell was Mike? I was surprised for him to have nothing to do with anything that transpired. And poor Tio, I'm going to miss that bell-ringing shitter, I think Hank will too :D
'medicine cabinet'
Bluelighter
wow, that was a pretty crazy finale...i was interested to see if they would maybe show how exactly gus knew when he was walking to the car that something was amiss. sixth sense i guess..i really did think that there was a wire in walters glasses or some kind of tracking device or something. I did think it was a little cheezy with the whole half face gus thing, it was over the top, thats for sure. Theres not even a remote chance of anyone walking out of that room, im pretty sure he made an ammonium nitrate based explosive, because you see him in the kitchen cooking it, in the background there are a bunch of empty instant cold packs, which are a common source for ammonium nitrate and that shit is a really powerful explosive, coupled with all the shrapnel from the pipe and end caps. A pipe bomb can have a kill radius of like ten feet so all three of them would have been piles of smoldering meat. I was hoping that mike would be in the final episode i could have seen him being in there somewhere since they showed his name on the opening credits.
All in all I liked it, it didnt leave some huge cliffhanger and i think they wanted to give a really crazy finale because thats what everyone expected. i liked the forshadowing when they did all those slow pans on gus, like where he is walking in the building, i knew right then that it was going to be it for him. didnt expect a suicide bombing though, not at all. i think it would also be interesting to find out what all these poisons are that gus employs to dispatch people.
Right before they destroyed the lab i actually thought they were going to do one last batch, but then i thought what would they do with it and thats probably the last thing they need right now, then you see the axe and it all made sense. pretty bad ass too when walt killed the 2 hench men, looks like practicing his draw paid off.
Walt really is an evil genius, its insane. When he seemed so relived that brock was going to pull through i was like hmm, it really seemed to be a huge relief that he was going to make it. I guess that will be a large part of season 5, it will come to light that walter was the one who poisoned brock, but i wonder where he found time to grab the lucky cig with the vial of ricin in it?
walter finally was able to get a move ahead of gus, like a chess game he beat him with strategy, and an old man strapped to a pipe bomb.
All in all I liked it, it didnt leave some huge cliffhanger and i think they wanted to give a really crazy finale because thats what everyone expected. i liked the forshadowing when they did all those slow pans on gus, like where he is walking in the building, i knew right then that it was going to be it for him. didnt expect a suicide bombing though, not at all. i think it would also be interesting to find out what all these poisons are that gus employs to dispatch people.
Right before they destroyed the lab i actually thought they were going to do one last batch, but then i thought what would they do with it and thats probably the last thing they need right now, then you see the axe and it all made sense. pretty bad ass too when walt killed the 2 hench men, looks like practicing his draw paid off.
Walt really is an evil genius, its insane. When he seemed so relived that brock was going to pull through i was like hmm, it really seemed to be a huge relief that he was going to make it. I guess that will be a large part of season 5, it will come to light that walter was the one who poisoned brock, but i wonder where he found time to grab the lucky cig with the vial of ricin in it?
walter finally was able to get a move ahead of gus, like a chess game he beat him with strategy, and an old man strapped to a pipe bomb.
queenbee1127
Bluelighter
^ I wonder what happened to the ricin too, but I don't think Walt used it, he obviously didn't use it to poison Brock.
I'm also shocked that there wasn't a big cliffhanger at the end of tonight's episode the way there was last season. I think Mike will come back into play next season, and could possibly help Jesse and Walt rebuild their lives now that the meth operation is over.
I for one was glad to see Hector Salamanca go, his bell ringing really pissed me off but I was so sad about Gus
I know he's the evil character but there was something about him I loved. I thought the terminator reference was cheesy as others have said, but I thought it was humorous how he walks out and straightens his tie before he collapses.
The DEA is going to have to come in at some point next season, blowing up a facility of that magnitude won't go unnoticed, especially after Hank had already had Steve Gomez investigate it. My prediction is that next season is more about how Jesse and Walt are going to deal with the repercussions of killing Gus while trying to keep the DEA off their trail. I would assume Walt poisoning Brock will be a big storyline as well.
Overall, I was left with a lot of questions from this episode; I was hoping it would be revealed how Gus was constantly three steps ahead of Walter, maybe the bugged glasses theory that had been mentioned.
I'm also shocked that there wasn't a big cliffhanger at the end of tonight's episode the way there was last season. I think Mike will come back into play next season, and could possibly help Jesse and Walt rebuild their lives now that the meth operation is over.
I for one was glad to see Hector Salamanca go, his bell ringing really pissed me off but I was so sad about Gus
I know he's the evil character but there was something about him I loved. I thought the terminator reference was cheesy as others have said, but I thought it was humorous how he walks out and straightens his tie before he collapses. The DEA is going to have to come in at some point next season, blowing up a facility of that magnitude won't go unnoticed, especially after Hank had already had Steve Gomez investigate it. My prediction is that next season is more about how Jesse and Walt are going to deal with the repercussions of killing Gus while trying to keep the DEA off their trail. I would assume Walt poisoning Brock will be a big storyline as well.
Overall, I was left with a lot of questions from this episode; I was hoping it would be revealed how Gus was constantly three steps ahead of Walter, maybe the bugged glasses theory that had been mentioned.
JoeTheStoner
Bluelighter
Flickering
Bluelighter
"I won."
Yeah, Walt's descent into darkness is almost absolute. He had Saul's guard jack the ricin off Jesse to make it look like Gus poisoned Brock with it. But he hasn't lost all sense of morality. By using lily of the valley (of the shadow of death) he aimed to minimize harm by making it look like it was ricin, when it was in fact less likely to kill the kid. He slips up at the end when Jesse tells him Brock will live - "Oh thank God." Jesse doesn't clue in at the time - too relieved himself - but why should Walt care so much whether a kid he doesn't even know lives? Of course, it's because he's not a complete monster; he doesn't have the death of an innocent chemist and a child on his hands. But he's still bad enough to risk maybe killing the boy to save himself and his family.
It was a convoluted plan on his part, but another way to see it is as a last-ditch gambit. He didn't have a choice, and it worked. Jesse believed Walt had done it, and Walt managed to convince him Gus had done it, all without actually doing lasting harm to Brock (fortunately).
It leaves Walt's character development in a very interesting place. He's willing to go all the way to win. He's forced into ugly situations and it's a question of what would you do? Well I'd rather die than poison a child, and I would have probably kidnapped Gayle instead of shooting him - a less definite solution, but also easier on the conscience - but Walt is clearly prepared to go all out.
Poor Gus. His death scene made me want to cry. Partly because it was so cheesy. A total badass antagonist like that needed more than that anticlimactic finisher. It would've been better to show him lying against the wall in the clearing smoke, with the massive burns and chunks blown out of him, completely dazed, making to straighten his tie before slumping over. And a longer shot, please. He deserved better than a cartoon gory death. Gus, I salute thee.
That was the only low point of the season, similar to Mike's Mission Impossible montage at the end of the last one as both were out of place, even though Mike's was awesome.
Though the bugged glasses would've definitively explained Gus's suspicion with the car, you could also explain it with Jesse unwittingly tipping him off, as Walt surmises at the start of the episode. I think this part had a believable resolution.
I realised the glasses weren't tapped, and subsequently that Walt really had poisoned Brock with something other than ricin, when Gus actually went to see Tio. If the glasses were tapped, he'd have known about the plan. Gus played his chess moves too conventionally and that's how Walt blindsided him.
So where to from here? Both the cartel and Gus's operation are effectively collapsed, leaving a total meth void. (It seems Gus actually had minimal staff, probably because he was overly cautious, and Mike is the only one we know is still alive, assuming he survived getting shot up.) This leaves it free for Walt and Jesse to step back in and continue manufacturing with total monopoly. But I don't think that's going to happen, after everything they've been through. More likely, Season 5 will focus on the aftershock of everything they've done.
- The DEA now knows Hank was right about the laundry, seeing as it's burnt to the ground and left a whole lot of charred cooking equipment. There's also the high body count of both the cartel and Gus's lab.
- Mike is going to return to find his boss dead and the entire scheme burnt to cinders. Probably won't be happy.
- Jesse will probably eventually clue in to what Walt has done.
- Skyler knows her husband has killed at least three men.
- Jesse and Walt are both effectively broke, even after four seasons of fucking hard work.
So I think Season 5 will have the DEA, Jesse and Mike all closing in on Walt. I don't see it ending well for him, but you never know, he's played his cards expertly and almost ruthlessly so far. And they might just kill him off with cancer. They alluded to that in an earlier episode.
EDIT: Extra point. How did Saul's guard get the cigarettes back onto Jesse's person? Also, by what means did Walt poison Brock? Since Brock himself didn't know he'd been poisoned, Walt must have slipped it into his drink or something. At any rate, when he recovers, he'll probably be adamant that he didn't eat any strange white flower.
Yeah, Walt's descent into darkness is almost absolute. He had Saul's guard jack the ricin off Jesse to make it look like Gus poisoned Brock with it. But he hasn't lost all sense of morality. By using lily of the valley (of the shadow of death) he aimed to minimize harm by making it look like it was ricin, when it was in fact less likely to kill the kid. He slips up at the end when Jesse tells him Brock will live - "Oh thank God." Jesse doesn't clue in at the time - too relieved himself - but why should Walt care so much whether a kid he doesn't even know lives? Of course, it's because he's not a complete monster; he doesn't have the death of an innocent chemist and a child on his hands. But he's still bad enough to risk maybe killing the boy to save himself and his family.
It was a convoluted plan on his part, but another way to see it is as a last-ditch gambit. He didn't have a choice, and it worked. Jesse believed Walt had done it, and Walt managed to convince him Gus had done it, all without actually doing lasting harm to Brock (fortunately).
It leaves Walt's character development in a very interesting place. He's willing to go all the way to win. He's forced into ugly situations and it's a question of what would you do? Well I'd rather die than poison a child, and I would have probably kidnapped Gayle instead of shooting him - a less definite solution, but also easier on the conscience - but Walt is clearly prepared to go all out.
Poor Gus. His death scene made me want to cry. Partly because it was so cheesy. A total badass antagonist like that needed more than that anticlimactic finisher. It would've been better to show him lying against the wall in the clearing smoke, with the massive burns and chunks blown out of him, completely dazed, making to straighten his tie before slumping over. And a longer shot, please. He deserved better than a cartoon gory death. Gus, I salute thee.
That was the only low point of the season, similar to Mike's Mission Impossible montage at the end of the last one as both were out of place, even though Mike's was awesome.
Though the bugged glasses would've definitively explained Gus's suspicion with the car, you could also explain it with Jesse unwittingly tipping him off, as Walt surmises at the start of the episode. I think this part had a believable resolution.
I realised the glasses weren't tapped, and subsequently that Walt really had poisoned Brock with something other than ricin, when Gus actually went to see Tio. If the glasses were tapped, he'd have known about the plan. Gus played his chess moves too conventionally and that's how Walt blindsided him.
So where to from here? Both the cartel and Gus's operation are effectively collapsed, leaving a total meth void. (It seems Gus actually had minimal staff, probably because he was overly cautious, and Mike is the only one we know is still alive, assuming he survived getting shot up.) This leaves it free for Walt and Jesse to step back in and continue manufacturing with total monopoly. But I don't think that's going to happen, after everything they've been through. More likely, Season 5 will focus on the aftershock of everything they've done.
- The DEA now knows Hank was right about the laundry, seeing as it's burnt to the ground and left a whole lot of charred cooking equipment. There's also the high body count of both the cartel and Gus's lab.
- Mike is going to return to find his boss dead and the entire scheme burnt to cinders. Probably won't be happy.
- Jesse will probably eventually clue in to what Walt has done.
- Skyler knows her husband has killed at least three men.
- Jesse and Walt are both effectively broke, even after four seasons of fucking hard work.
So I think Season 5 will have the DEA, Jesse and Mike all closing in on Walt. I don't see it ending well for him, but you never know, he's played his cards expertly and almost ruthlessly so far. And they might just kill him off with cancer. They alluded to that in an earlier episode.
EDIT: Extra point. How did Saul's guard get the cigarettes back onto Jesse's person? Also, by what means did Walt poison Brock? Since Brock himself didn't know he'd been poisoned, Walt must have slipped it into his drink or something. At any rate, when he recovers, he'll probably be adamant that he didn't eat any strange white flower.
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I loved the way the death of Gus was done. Expressionism is not cheesy or over the top, as long as you don't do too much of it. This season you saw it in that scene as well as in the shovel scene. In season 2 you saw it in Peekaboo.
batmanplaybaseball
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I thought the episode was an absolute classic. First to go at the scene where Gus 'dies', i didn't think it was cheesy at all. You see the bomb go off, the smoke, and Gus walks out of the fucking room, only to reveal that, well...ok you get it. Anyway, who is to say that Gus could still be alive in some deranged, crazier than ever state? Even if not, the very ending was a real kicker. I heard Vince Gilligan in an NPR interview a couple weeks ago saying that his whole point with this series was to see if he could turn "Mr.Chips into Scarface". I think the fourth season will see Walt finally make that transformation into full antagonist, which will allow everyone to accept his final fate, whatever that may be.
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I thought Gus's death was perfect. He died in the same two-faced manner in which he lived, showing his true colors for all to see. Beautiful symbolism in that scene.
Max Power
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So they're saying Walt poisoned Brock. How did he administer it then? I must have missed that explanation.
And a bit of the humor came back this episode. Saul had some great lines, per usual. Woulda like to have seen more Mike though, and less Walt Jr. Overall, it was a good episode but personally I would have preferred a faster paced, more tense season-finale with a huge cliffhanger. IMO, the episode that ends with Walt laughing hysterically on the floor would have been the perfect ending to season four. This actually felt more like a series finale, tbh.
Same here. Left me saying, "Really Breaking Bad? REALLY? C'mon."
And a bit of the humor came back this episode. Saul had some great lines, per usual. Woulda like to have seen more Mike though, and less Walt Jr. Overall, it was a good episode but personally I would have preferred a faster paced, more tense season-finale with a huge cliffhanger. IMO, the episode that ends with Walt laughing hysterically on the floor would have been the perfect ending to season four. This actually felt more like a series finale, tbh.
Same here. Left me saying, "Really Breaking Bad? REALLY? C'mon."
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