Boys: have you had same-sex thoughts? POLL CLOSED - results pg. 8

[dyscotopia]

romans weren't quite as enlightened as you might think.. being a bottom still made you a fag, but being a top was considered perfectly acceptable, particularly if you were into underage boys..

 

[miamistu]

"It basically argued that if you restrict yourself to one sex you may be denying yourself your perfect partner and therefore not being true to yourself".

The above line is from chasing amy (which I thought was a great movie with a totally sucky ending).


The results of the guy poll surprised me. I thought the number was hi and that many of the voters were not who were supposed to be voting (strait guys). I find it hard to believe that 30% of strait guys would admit to either having sex or being intimate with a guy even in an anonymous poll.


Not that I am opposed to it, I just think that number is more like 10%, if that. And again, im talking about strait guys not guys that consider themselves gay or bi.

 

[Brian Oblivion]

My theory:
Everyone is bi-sexual. People who that claim they are 'hetrosexual' are suppressing the natural human instinct....

"This dog won't hunt."

I think you're theory is off (and it has already been beat to death in this thread).

Humans are not made in a cookie cutter. Your theory probably applies to a percentage of the population, but there will be variations (up to, and including the extremes on both sides of the curve).

Sexual orientation is not programmed, it is hard wired. And all the kings horses and all the kings men, ain't gonna make that "gay"/"straight" person chase after that "same sex"/"opposite sex" person ever again.

 

[Mellow*D]

I think sexual orientation comes from your upbringing, and for guys, I think it has a lot to do with your father figure - i.e. whether he is there etc

 

[Chaos Butterfly]

^^ for some people yes, maybe. For the rest of us. No. not at all. Hello genetics. I did not choose to be gay, my relationship with my father has absolutely nothing to do with my sexuality. I am gay, I love it, I have no problems with it, but I definitely did not choose it.

For some people it may be a choice (a very small percentage in my opinion) but not generally. Also your relationship with a father figure has very little effect on your genetic hardwiring.

This has been discussed on here many times before, but hey, I'm always up for another round

 

[Mellow*D]

okay woah, never mentioned genetics. Of course homoseuality isn't genetics and its not a matter of any choice you can hope to make. I said it come from your upbringing, your experiences and the effect these have on your psyche. So Argue away. Im just saying the relationship a male has with their father often plays a big part in their sexuality.

 

[expo1]

i cant see any way how a fathers upbringing on the child could make them gay.

would that mean that a mothers upbringing on her daughter could make the daughter gay?

 

[Mellow*D]

Hmmm good point.

 

[Brian Oblivion]

I think sexual orientation comes from your upbringing, and for guys, I think it has a lot to do with your father figure - i.e. whether he is there etc

OK, would you like to give us a rundown on how to create a gay person? 8)

I grew up without a father. Yet I am about as far to the extreme of the hetro side of the curve as someone can get. I have a lot of gay friends, and even go out partying with them. But no desire to have a same sex'ed encounter. I have devolved deeply into my sexual nature, and with a real sense of openness. And I have not once ever encountered a same sex desire. I have no fear of entertaining the idea. But the notion has absolutely no spark, no life, no excitement. zip!

I have also talked openly about this with some of my gay friends. Some of them have had a similar sense of introspection about this. Except the only thing that provides a spark for them is a same sex interaction.

I'm sure a lot of bisexuals do repress some part of their sexual orientation. But to make a statement that everyone is bisexual is just plain ignorant. There is not one shred of evidence in the scientific literature that sexual orientation is learned.

So, I am sorry, but this line of thinking (i.e., that everyone is really bisexual) sounds a lot more like wishful thinking on the part of a bisexual, than having any real substance.

Everyone has a right to express their sexual orientation so long as it is not harmful to someone else (be that gay, lesbian, bi or straight). And to suggest to someone that they are "really" something that they are not is just another sexual con job.

 

[Mellow*D]

Wow guess I should watch what I say before posting something here, looks like it's likely to get flamed into oblivion.

 

[Brian Oblivion]

^^^
I'm not trying to insult you (which is what flaming is). This is passionate disagreement. (big difference.)

I'd like to also point out that "learned sexual orientation" is a theory which is embraced by the folks who would like to forcefully "cure" gay men of their "gayness." Which is a very dangerous political viewpoint.

 

[Strawberry_lovemuffin]

Wow guess I should watch what I say before posting something here, looks like it's likely to get flamed into oblivion.

Please don't think that. SLR is a flame-free forum, and if I saw any flames in people's arguments they would get edited. People disagreed with you, that's all (everyone here loves a good argument about being gay, you just innocently pushed the wrong buttons ).

It's cool. You have showed maturity by re-assessing your initial opinion; that's just put you up several hundred points in my estimation.

 

[Chaos Butterfly]

okay woah, never mentioned genetics. Of course homoseuality isn't genetics and its not a matter of any choice you can hope to make. I said it come from your upbringing, your experiences and the effect these have on your psyche. So Argue away. Im just saying the relationship a male has with their father often plays a big part in their sexuality.

having read the rest of the responses after this post and in the 'flame-free' nature of this forum I have to FORCEFULLY disagree with the first comment you made here: of course homosexuality isn't genetics.

I have to call a quite scientifically backed bullshit on this comment, which was the point I was trying to make. Although it hasn't been proved 100% scientifically to be genetic, this is the current and very very logical thinking. If it isn't genetic I have no fucking idea what it could be... well I could rationalise my sexuality any way I pleased, but I'm sorry genetics it is.

I can give a personal example, there are 5 children in my family, I am gay, my youngest sister is a lesbian, and there are 3 'straight' children. This can be explained many ways, but I'm really sorry to burst the social experience bubble on you, but it is contrived psycho-babble.

I agree that me using myself as an example to prove a point is not scientific at all because there are many other variables involved but it is MORE than enough for me. I have a scientific background and all, and if I wasn't a little drunk now (having just finished my university degree today ) I would try to back up my statements with scientific fact.

That said, I am adamatly against the idea that homosexuality stems from a social condition. There is just way too much societal bullshit that people have to go through to become accepted as a 'gay' person for it to be a societal choice. I feel and I am backed up by strong SCIENTIFIC studies that you are hardwired with your sexuality at birth. The other thing I feel is that sexuality is not a matter of hetero, homo, bi. As far as I am concerned, I am attracted to people (mostly to cock in my circumstances but hey ) I don't look at people's sexuality, sex or whatever when thinking about them as a potential mate.

This discussion can really open a whole huge can of worms in regards to the definition of sexuality and the nature of homosexuality, fortunately for me I am a little drunk right now so I don't have to continue this too far, but I do ask you to consider my words and my opinions, and if you want some scientific proof, do a simple google search, or search through these forums and you will find extensive arguments for and against

That is all for now \

CB

 

[Mellow*D]

How hard is it to accept the fact that in NO WAY does a person choose their sexuality but it derives out of experiences they have lived through???

ARGH *goes insane*

 

[Strawberry_lovemuffin]

I take back what I said about you being open to other's opinions

Where did you get this "fact" you keep referring to? And why is it so hard for *you* to believe that sexuality can be genetic, as much as having blue eyes or being left-handed?

 

[Chaos Butterfly]

Heya Mellow_D I agree that people don't choose their sexuality which was the main point that I was making sorry for any confusion. However I do disagree that sexuality is derived from life experiences. Maybe it's my analytical and scientific mind here but for me that is how I am wired.

Peace

CB

 

[dyscotopia]

i think it's both.. there is certainly a biological component to sexuality. apparently cortisone levels in the mother during pregnancy are closely associated with the sexuality of the offspring. however, the fact that children of the same mother may be gay, straight or bi, indicates that just having a genetic predisposition is not enough. life experience will influence who you go for, just as life experience will indicate what type of person you're attracted to, of either gender. that is, say you're attracted to males slightly more than females, but all of your experiences with males have been bad and all your experiences with females have been good. you may choose to stick with females.

 

[Negro-kitty]

I want to see a pic of the gay kitty!! :D

 

[Brian Oblivion]

however, the fact that children of the same mother may be gay, straight or bi, indicates that just having a genetic predisposition is not enough.

Genetic traits are not necessarily transmitted to each child. It is possible for there to be both blue eyed and brown eyed children from the exact same parents. This is true of many genetic traits.

Why would this be any different in terms of sexual orientation traits?

 

[Mellow*D]

Okay okay I was getting frustrated but I'm glad ppl can see my position now. (I need to learn to express myself better) This is a very open topic... it'd be interesting to do a study on the 'genetics' of homosexuality, to see if any link does exist. For this to be true tho, wouldn't homosexuality be extinct by now?

Hmmmmm it goes deeper and deeper....