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Boycott Singapore - Van's unfair sentance

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^ Ignorance of kids issues that was also in violation of international treaties we are currently a member of.

I say we execute both cricketing teams for making an inproportionate amount of money as compared to the actual worthiness that their freeloading existences contribute towards society.
 
There's no point going to the International Court if Singapore have already stated they aren't prepared to accept its jurisdiction.

I support one minutes silent. It's a travesty if this goes ahead. He may have committed a crime but the penalty is completely out of proportion.
 
endlesseulogy said:
Taking such a hardline and inhumane reaction to drugs will never ever ever ever ever work because there will always be people willing to take these risks. Infact, taking risks is human nature. Nomatter how big or small, they are all still risks.
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to be serious for the first time in this thread, i believe that i base the worthiness of risks in my life based on the extent of negative repercussions. if smuggling drugs through singapore resulted in being made to stand in front of 100 girls who mocked the size of my penis, rather than the current execution consequence, i'd be more inclined to smuggle drugs through singapore (in fact, i'd hope to be caught :D).

van nguyen doesn't deserve to die for such a crime.
he, however, understood the risk element before undertaking his enormously stupid crime.

i think the main problem people have in this thread is that people are arguing two different sides.
Side A wants Van to die because of his extraordinary fuckwittedness
Side B wants the legal systems of countries they disagree with to fall in line with more western societies.

see why we won't resolve anything?
 
One thing we are lacking is empathy. People who are wanting Van to die because of his fuckwitedness, are forgetting that they wouldnt be singing the same tune if they themselves were about to be hung or maybe even their family or loved ones.

Or maybe its because Van dosnt look like this :

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my family or loved ones wouldn't be stupid enough to smuggle heroin as a quick fix for a money shortage
I highly doubt I would be stupid enough either tbh.
 
MoeBro said:
my family or loved ones wouldn't be stupid enough to smuggle heroin as a quick fix for a money shortage
I highly doubt I would be stupid enough either tbh.
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Its universally impossible for you to make that assumption here and now. Im sure Van would have said the same thing before the event. We are also talking about a hypothetical situation. If your family WERE to do it.. would you protest if they were to be hung?

^for the last time - if it were me, i would take responsibility for my actions.

i even said i'd bring my own rope
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Same goes for you.
 
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he made his own decisions to smuggle drugs as a "quick fix" solution to his money problems.

as I said, every other person with huge debts works their fucking arses off for years to pay off huge debts, so why should Australia stop and have one minute silence for this guy that couldn't be bothered to take responsibility for his own actions?

Van is going to die, regardless of what anyone writes in this thread, it's already been decided.

perhaps this will deter other people from trying to take the easy route by smuggling drugs for quick cash.
 
keystroke said:
he made his own decisions to smuggle drugs as a "quick fix" solution to his money problems.

as I said, every other person with huge debts works their fucking arses off for years to pay off huge debts, so why should Australia stop and have one minute silence for this guy that couldn't be bothered to take responsibility for his own actions?

Van is going to die, regardless of what anyone writes in this thread, it's already been decided.

perhaps this will deter other people from trying to take the easy route by smuggling drugs for quick cash.
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Do you acknowledge that this issue is not about the circumstances surrounding his crime?
 
well actually, the issue is completely about the crime. their government has laws for a reason, as does ours. if he didn't like the laws of their country, he shouldn't of gone there.

would he of re-offended had he successfully gotten the drugs back into australia and made easy money?
 
How many other criminals (that have been hanged by Singapore) have Australia had a minute silence for? None. Not one.

I'm all for not killing this poor lad, but I don't see why he should get a minute silence.
 
swifty said:
well what's it about then??
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This issue is about the morals associated with killing another human being as a form of justice. How he commited the crime and what motivated him is another kettle of fish.

Ill say it again for those who didnt read it

Sovereignty. Culture. Emotion. Look beyond it.
 
How can it be about the morals of killing another human being?

It's not our place to say whether Singapores justice system is right or wrong, we just have to comply with it if we choose to disobey the laws in that country.
 
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/executedoffenders.htm

there's 355 executed offenders in Texas alone, now where are all you bleeding hearts? should we create threads for each person that died? should we each have one minute silence for each person executed last year?

according to amnesty.org there were three thousand and ninety seven known executions last year, now where were all of you then? hey?
 
keystroke said:
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/executedoffenders.htm

there's 355 executed offenders in Texas alone, now where are all you bleeding hearts? should we create threads for each person that died? should we each have one minute silence for each person executed last year?

according to amnesty.org there were three thousand and ninety seven known executions last year, now where were all of you then? hey?
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It's a bit different when it's an Australian. We have an interest in it. When Singapore executed a British man, the British government and populace was equally as opposed to it.
 
How can it be about the morals of killing another human being?

It's not our place to say whether Singapores justice system is right or wrong, we just have to comply with it if we choose to disobey the laws in that country.
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Comply with it maybe. Trying to fight it and change it even better. All other forms of punishment, ok, but the death penalty must be fought.

When humanity hurts, me, being a part of the collective, have every right to object to Singapore's handling of this case, esspecially if the case is based on THE most blatant hypocracy.


http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/executedoffenders.htm

there's 355 executed offenders in Texas alone, now where are all you bleeding hearts? should we create threads for each person that died? should we each have one minute silence for each person executed last year?

according to amnesty.org there were three thousand and ninety seven known executions last year, now where were all of you then? hey?
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Keystroke, that is such a low and irrelevant blow. Are you saying that if war broke out in Australia or anywhere else tommorow all those who didnt favor it would be fakes because they wernt involved in any other previous anti-war causes? That dosnt make sence. Awareness is something that people dont always have and any route to achiving awareness is the most important thing anyone can do. Also, how can you assume various bluelighters arnt involved in some sort of human rights group that opposes the death penalty?
 
why can't someone be opposed to capital punishment even if they are not aware of every single case of it? i fail to see how that makes a difference to my moral stance on the issue, as it is implicit that i disapprove of every case of it.
 
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