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Bluelight's image & what you can do to help...

It's been a constant uphill battle since bluelight started to become more widely known, and frankly I don't think that's ever going to change...
There are many people who will continue to do all they can to make sure that the harm minimisation cause is upheld however, and to do what they can to convince people that bluelight isn't about getting fucked up (like far too many people think)
I wouldn't be shocked if someone said to me that they heard Bluelighters get good drugs... It's true... I also wouldn't be shocked if they said that they heard Bluelighters get trashed a lot... Its also true...
What does piss me off is that people continue to think that all Bluelighters do is get fucked up... Many of us lead enjoyable and productive lives outside of Bluelight...
A lot of people out there need some more self-control... Most of us have puddled excessively once in a while, but not all of us have yet realised that its not something to be proud of...
These days quite frankly I'm not proud to be a Bluelighter, and I don't like feeling this way...
[ 14 May 2002: Message edited by: Tarsarlan ]
 
If many Bluelighters often get totally fucked when going out, there are two ways of looking at why this trend occurs.
The first is that they are getting fucked up because they know more, and this information is what leads them to take so much, when they wouldn't have otherwise,
OR
The second is to realize that Bluelight is, for a large part, made up of people who know that they will be going hard anyway, and are taking steps to minimise harm.
I choose to believe the second one, with myself belonging to this group.
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I don't come here to cool, get drugs, or as an excuse to write myself off. I come here with the aim that, if worse comes to worse, neither myself nor my friends will end up dead.
Nothing else.
[ 14 May 2002: Message edited by: Jakoz ]
 
pleo, supaspeed and tarsaRlan ;) summed it up.
all top posts.
just a quote :
]"it's time to sit down and go over WHY we call ourselves Bluelighters."
i'd just like to know if u consiously go out places thinking "yeah man, im a bluelighter. look at me" (well not to that extent) ;)
most of the time i forget that i even post on bluelight unless someone brings it up or i see sumone that i know posts on it. but overall it pretty much means nothing to me cus many of the people who post on bluelight dont even follow the drug minimisation stuff.
i actually agree now with the people who want to get rid of social. I think it would be a good move. Just keep meetups. and keep it only for meetups. infact the meetup section should be given a different name alltogeather and not be associated with bluelight, apart from the fact that it is hosted by the same doods. meetups should take the music and other sections with it.
If this site goes back to being what it was originally about, then it will eliminate the crap that ends up being associated with bluelight. like "bluelighters are such e-tards who lay around in big group puddles being all weird lookin and unhygenic and snorting shit of each others doodles" or from a cop point of view "hey look, this guy openly said that he does this n that, this n that, lets bust his ass cus in meetups he said that he'll be here n here wearing this n that and have bells on..." etc...
so basically, i think everything that isnt related to drug discusion should be taken away from under the bluelight banner.
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I just want to highlight a big point. I know many, many BL's that do not go to BL parties and for the most part do not asociate with other BL's in the real world. They are Aussie but you wouldn't know it as they don't post in these forums (Regional). But what's my point you might say well its simply this, they may not get involved in the social side but they have all benefitted from the knowledge they have gained from this resource. Some are ravers some aren't but at the end of the day they learnt things that may one day save their life!
 
I have a potential solution: more meet-ups.
Specifically, more meetups that occur NOT at raves, and NOT with everyone off their tits. Hell, why not claim a bar in a central location every fortnight? One for each major city. Every 2nd thursday night is BL night! head down to *insert establishment name here* to have a drink and a chat with those online names.
Or what the fuck, let's go all out. BL outings! The uni students can organise movies nights screening party movie faves. Ice skating! The zoo! What-fucking-ever! All I ask is that there's as little thumpy music as possible, and we keep the meet-up drug free.
I'm am so proud to be associated with BL, and I'd love to get to know you, REALLY know you, as you all are day to day.
BL can be so much more than a bunch of peeps all off their tits PLUR-ing in a cormer at the latest Powerhouse (or whatever) event. It could be a bunch of people united by love of a lifestyle, and close ties to each other, on AND off-line.
Wire.
 
Ditto on that shit WireTrippa, except wouldnt we end up with a small group of people deciding for the massive? Just a point i thought i would raise.
Keep this thread alive - its fuckin gold.
 
That pretty much sums up the Canberra scene, with little groups of us meeting occasionally for coffee and things like that, the uni bar has been frequented a few times...
It's really nice. :)
 
Once, again last weekend, was speaking to someone from TS, not that, that makes them anymore special, but once again.. I say have you heard of BL, and She's says "Yes, the bunch of Drug whores" .... I *shrugged* and *tried* to explain, but she didn't have a bar of it..
anyone else still getting this projection?
 
Heh that's exactly the reason why I don't tell random's about BL anymore, or if someone asks me if I'm a BLter I'll tell them no, because I'm sick of people assuming that just cause I post on BL that I'm some sort of trashbag!
I don't want some stranger assuming something about me just because I happen to post on this message board. We aren't all like that!!
 
Good thread for social & most importantly for Bluelights' better interests :)
Dante & those with similar opinions express what I have thought for months...excellent!
This is the first time I have poked my head in the social forum for a month, although I try to spend 1hr or so almost every day on BL...but in the drug discussion forums.In these forums I do a lot of reading for my own HM,whilst trying to post any useful information I know for others HM.
Although some of our bad raps may come from remarks that can be miss quoted,like ones that state how fucked/drugged up they got etc. Therefore some remarks about peoples experiences may be misinterpreted...
ie.being fucked/drugged up may be meant to imply they were just in a differing state to what they are when straight & this may be a good thing :) But if read by someone outside BL you can see that similar comments like this made about your experiences doesn't look overly healthy.
I agree with Wiretrippa & moochos' great opinions...non-drug fuelled meetups as well, although it may only have a minoritys freeback it's better than none!
Wiretrippa I enjoy ice skating staight & it's fairly cheap :) fitness type meetups would be excellent!
All the mods hold BL together & have my greatest respect as you all stand firm on you opinions ;)
[ 27 August 2002: Message edited by: Scatteredasfuck ]
 
bluelight certainly dosent have a positive 'safe' harm minimised image, i myself, (dont look so shocked,) not so long ago was laughing outright at some bastion of bluelight's assurance that 'it's all about harm minimisation', (ahh delusion, its a terrible thing...) by the same token, the information is very much here. plaz may not spend half an hour cheaking each and everyone of his pills, which could lead to his death (please dont let it, 2 deaths is enough for '02) but sad as that may be, he wouldnt die because no-one taught him any different, he'd just die because he's a little cunt and he dosent particularly care.
and that, i think, is what this is about, not a 'good' palatable image we can proudly prance around under, but a space where people can find information if they want it, or just make pointless posts about threesomes and how they got onto some chick, and like, she was ugly, and like, thier reputation is tottaly ruined... well it makes for a more amusing sight then NSW Health anyway.
bluelight is known for far more then harm minimisation, and that, i think, is unlikly to change significantly anytime soon. i came here origonally because somone suggested i read the USA attacks forum after the twin towers went down...
its not all drug puddles and butt plugs.
 
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So true! But I'd substitute "twat" for "cunt", I never much liked the word anyway. The point is that the information is available here, and will always be available if you choose to look for it, whether you use it try and make yourself marginally safer in your dangerous habits, is up to you.
-plaz out-
 
while i do agree that the image of bluelight is important, i dont think that durg free meet ups would do anything to bluelights image. the image is looked upon by people who go to raves, concerts etc, see bluelighters in the real world. and if these people didnt know the bluelighters in person, how would they know that we met up on the weekend for a bbq? the only place were exposed to onlookers is at events etc. the only image that would change would be the internet image, of those people who browse the internet, and chances are most of them would look down on drug use anyway, excessive use or not, bluelight or not.
i for one, came to this site cos i heard it was good. i really cant remember anything, just one of my friends was registered, i havent a clue how he found it (Mirage btw), and i joined. I initially considered it a drug website. i didnt even look in the meetups section for a long time. and initially i too thought that although this website was for harm minimisation, it seemed that the bluelighters i met and read about were deeply involved in drug culture and for the most part, fairly heavy users. it honestly didnt bother me, it made me think 'jeez these guys are fucked up' sometimes, but things change. ive been a member of bluelight for over a year now, and i my opinions have changed dramatically. and so has my definition of 'heavy drug use.'
im still at bluelight because ive met some great people through it, it allows me to organise meetups with friends at events, it has an entertaining social forum, and i can use it to access all sorts of drug information, ask questions, receive answers, and give answers.
and when it comes to my drug use, its my drug use, and i honestly dont think it has anything to do with the reputation of bluelight. i know more people who say they test their pills and dont than those who do test, or those who dont know about it. and im not going to exclude myself from that category. i rarely test my pills, and its stupid. but then again, i regularly check pill reports to be aware of whats 'good' at the moment. and im very fussy about what sort of pills i buy and how many i eat. if possible i call a mate whos online to check pill reports. i read up on the 'sydney pills' thread to discover other peoples remarks on certain pills. and i never buy from strangers, and rarely from events. i always know of anothers users account (someone i know) before i eat a pill.
all these precautions ive learnt from bluelight. my first pill at a rave before bluelight, was bought through 4 people, me only knowing the first person a bit. it was in the dark, it was at an event, it was rushed, and it was dangerous. i ate the whole pill, before reading up on anything about the drug. and then once bluelight came along, i learnt so much. pre-loading, post-loading, the technics of what mdma dose, harm minimisation tactics, safety tips, user tips, got questions answered, was free to ask others their drug related opinions and share my own thoughts on this so 'taboo' subject.
if at a club or event and i see someone freaking out, sick etc, if need be i would have some knowledge of how to help them. i could explain to them what mdma does and why theyre sick, what they could do to fix it. i can recommend testing pills and can name places of where to buy testers. i can explain about bad drug combinations, and give reasonably safe advice on other combinations.
all of this information ive attained through bluelight. and that in itself is enough to hold the reputation of this website up high.
harm minimisation is about lowering the rate of harm among drug users. and if somebody chooses to take their own drugs in a dangerous but educated way, its their choice, they know what they are doing. but they can still spread the word, they can still contribute to lowering harm among others. if somebody abuses drugs or uses them dangerously, and is uneducated about their decisions, then these are the people that we need to target. therefore i believe that if one makes their choices based on what they do know, not what they dont know, their own drug use is their own business. jsut be sure to teach new people and those who arent aware, the right ways to do things.
 
all bluelight needs is for us to be sensible, discrete and responsible, chemical aficionados.
if we cant be those, i'd worry more about ourselves than bluelight's image.
 
I think the bluelight fortnightly meetup idea could be a good one, not so much in an image improving sense, that is up to each and every one of us that gives a shit about this community to maintain, or not, but in a sense that it could help to forge stronger bonds between the bluelighters of each city.
I try my best to push the idea of sensible use, but it ain't always easy, and pride myself on the fact that I read my damn ass off before even touching a new drug, and continue to read, occasionally ask, and if the mods haven't done so, reply to a newbie's questions. I don't agree with the idea of the bl crew as a whole as drug pigs, I think theres obviously those within it that seriously push the limits, but there are just as many in any community, cohesive or not, linked to a party culture.
Bluelight's image to the outside world shouldn't matter as much as Bluelights image to each other, because if we respect each other, and the community, then we in turn will gain the respect from outside parties that we may feel is deserving.
Melburnians: Help me come up with a pub or cafe, and a night when we can get together, and get to appreciate a bit of sobriety together...
 
Originally posted by THCPuffNStuff:
Melburnians: Help me come up with a pub or cafe, and a night when we can get together, and get to appreciate a bit of sobriety together...
Does anyone see the problem with this sentence? ;)
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Yes a lot of bluelighters are drug pigs. Yes when you go to a party they're often the most fucked people there.
But I heard something the other day that really brought it home to me how effective this site is. A friend of mine was saying how her friends had taken pills nearly every day for a MONTH... She was really suprised to hear that this was fucking pointless as they would have been getting almost nothing out of them. No one I've met off bluelight would be suprised to hear this.
In a weird way, I'm proud that we're known to be the ones getting the good drugs. It means we're testing more, we're not accepting the crap everyone else is. I'd like to see everyone being as picky about what they take as people on bluelight, it'd make for a better scene. If someone wants to go and get wasted, then that's their business, at least this site is arming them with some information that may save their lives one day. How people choose to use that information is up to them, but in my experience, most use it wisely.
 
Well I’m relatively a newby to Bluelight, being on here around 3 months.
I heard about Bluelight through a friend who used it (Pill Reports specifically) to inform themselves about pills - so the rap I got was definitely a positive one.
I don’t think its fair that Bluelight has become associated with being "drug pigs" as DeeCee said we were referred to in an earlier post. BUT - and BY NO MEANS AM I DEFENDING THEM, Bluelight is, or at least was created for harm minimisation purposes related to drugs, so you have to expect that 99% of people who use Bluelight are going to be drug takers.
I don’t think its fair also that just because 99% of people that use Bluelight are drug users that we can be stereotyped into a “junkie” type of category - people who do that are not worth being a Bluelighter anyway.
We should be proud that oooh ill say 90% of those 99% of users don’t ONLY use Bluelight for social purposes - but ALSO for harm minimisation. So we should really be proud.
I think its great that there is a community out there that help each other towards “safe” drug taking (there’s no such thing as a safe drug), and in the mean time we can have discussions and form friendships.
So maybe we should stop worrying about what everyone else thinks about it – because the people who use it know what its about, and if others can not see that then they are the ones who are losing out.
Tell me, do you really want to befriend someone who wont get to know you as a person just because you happen to be a part of Bluelight? Doesn’t go to say much about them as a person does it.
Personally I would prefer to hear their negative views if they have them so I can either try to enlighten them, or I can not waste more time than I have to on them
That’s my 2 cents.
 
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