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Bluelight's image & what you can do to help...

ok. i have been on bluelight for 2 years now, and rarely post anymore but i think i can make an exception here ;)
i personally think its all about evolution.... things do change... the rave scene is definately different to what it was 2 years ago, my life is different to what it was 2 years ago and whether we like it or not bluelight is going to be different too.
i stumbled acroos the board from pill reports and read through anything and everything.
i still read drug discusiion but i'm pretty well informed on "harm minimisation". i'm by no means an expert. so i do tend to spend most of my time in social now.
you also need to understand that most people 2 years ago had never heard of bluelight in the 'common' rave scene. but with us getting bigger we are known and enlighten also promotes us at their stall.
so you must understand that people who would not normally join something like this are.
its not just people who want harm minimisation anymore, your everyday raver is joining because its a "rave friendly and drug friendly" site.
sorry but its the reality. with time comes change and with change come jadedness.
we would all like it to be how it use to be but imho i think those days are gone. as the old BL's move on and the new ones come in the whole face of BL does change......
my 2c.
 
Originally posted by nocturnal_chick:
so you must understand that people who would not normally join something like this are.
its not just people who want harm minimisation anymore, your everyday raver is joining because its a "rave friendly and drug friendly" site.
sorry but its the reality. with time comes change and with change come jadedness.
i disagree with that point... bluelight is not a rave site. it is informative and more than anything, bluelight is a message. it is "drug friendly" only to the extent of providing information: how we use/abuse what we gain, is at our own discretion.
we do what we do at our own risks, and bluelight aim to minimise those risk, nothing more, nothing less.
true that bluelight is made up of its community and ultimately is influenced by what we bring as individuals.
but for bluelight to change with times in the context quoted, that would be detracting from its original mission.
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I agree with NocturnalChick to a large extent. When anything goes from underground to mainstream it's going to go through a bit of a transformation, not always for the best.
It's sad that Bl's image is becoming a bit tainted when so much effort goes into it's operation on a daily basis, but I can't say it's surprising.
Unfortunately, with drug-pigs, come drug-pig attitudes and sadly these show up in a lot of the forums in the form of hedinism, elitism, sexism and racism & probably other 'isms' too. Sometimes the only reason I stick around is to reflect that there are some people on BL who aren't drug-pigs with dodgy attitudes. If that can in any small way help to drag BL's image out of the gutter, then that's a positive thing.
As for the social forums, they obviously serve a purpose but they do detract from the HM message. Perhaps if BL wants to be seen as more credible again, there should be a split from those kind of forums.
If it really wanted to be thought of as credible organisation/community, maybe there should be some kind of official HM mission statement too?
 
why the distinction with drug-pigs? what is a drug-pig? surly most of us have been guilty of indulgence at one time or another, be it drugs of an illicit or legal nature.
are we trying to set ourselves apart or above these drug-pigs?
as so many have claimed... bluelight is about harm minimisation but having drug-pigs onboard taints bluelight? 8)
i think we are bordering on being elite drug users disdaining people who dont know any better and consume copious amounts of drugs.
if we're so concerned with drug-pigs tainting bluelight's image, i suppose its up to us to get the harm minimisation message across to these drug-pigs, no?
;)
 
^^^
ahahahahahaahahaha...
oh...re topic. The Bluelight image can go fuck itself.
oh ..and once more for Vurt - hhahahahaahaha
 
Bear with me while I write another novel...
Yeah, I'm sure most of us have been guilty of indulgence at some time in our lives but we're talking about overindulgence here. That in itself doesn't make you a bad person and you have a right to do that, but if over-indulgence is ongoing and excessive, you end up not giving much of a shit about anything or anyone else.
If you bring that kind of an attitude into a public forum, or act like a drug-pig when you are out socialising, while at the same time indentifying yourself as a Bluelighter, you've got to expect to get criticised.
And yeah, I definately set myself apart from those sort of people. I have no qualms about doing that. And wanting to do so shouldn't be seen as another form of elitism, it's just a criticism of, and diassociation from their bad attitudes, and there's nothing wrong with that. Do I set myself above these people? No, I've had battles with my own excesses.
As for these people consuming copious amounts of drugs because they don't know any better, that's just garbage IMO. We are talking about people who are registered to BL, the info is all around them and they are choosing to ignore it!! What do you do with people like that??
It's no longer up to us to get the HM message across, it's already there, they don't care. This means they are probably a lost cause. Some people are just asking if BL needs them as it's public representative.
As long as BL is really wanting to continue to push the HM side of drug information and be something other than just another message board, I believe all that stuff does taint it's image. But if it's not, well then who gives a shit. It'll just be yet another message board and the criticism of it or the people on it will probably stop.
 
Rayda: Can I just reiterate my point that most bluelighters are nowhere near as excessive as any other cross section of the 'rave' scene (and yes I know this board is about more than ravers, but it would be the majority of it's members these days).
Maybe we come across as bigger drug pigs because we know how to make smaller amounts last, and we know what we want. From my experience, most people here tend to be able to keep their intake down to a level where they don't need 5 pills to get mashed.
If I take a pill, and puddle on the floor dribbling shit, does that make me a bigger drug pig than the guy next to me whose only just peaking and has had 5 pills because his tolerence is so fucking high?
I sometimes feel that the social side is a load of BS and perhaps the place would be better off without it, but honestly, do you think it would be anywhere near the size it is without them? I really don't give two fucks what people think about bluelight, but if it being more "mainstream" and having a wider exposure means that one person picks up enough knowledge to maybe one day save their life, then I'll put up with the crap.
(sorry about the lack of punctuation, thoughts going faster than fingers ;) )
 
What constitutes a 'drug pig' is going to differ from person to person obviously, but in the context of your question, in my view, the person who takes 1 pill and ends up dribbling shit is not the drug pig. It's the 5-pills on a regular basis behaviour that is the concern. Generally speaking, those that do that get way more fucked up, except it's not evident until about 3 days later when the mood swings and depression etc start to kick in.
And no, BL wouldn't be anywhere near as big without the social side. But is BL more productive through quantity or quality?
And those that say that the harm minimisation side to BL is a bit of a joke might actually have a point. I think everyone would agree that one of the most obvious HM messages on BL is to make sure you test your pills. Well it's a bit of a worry IMO, when you've got regular posters and moderators in this very thread admitting that they don't test their pills or even value their life!! That is sad.
One day, one of these people might actually die and there will probably be a thread where everyone gives their condolensces and gets all upset. And for the small price of a test kit it's all completely avoidable.
 
And no, BL wouldn't be anywhere near as big without the social side. But is BL more productive through quantity or quality?
The social side of bluelight keeps more people here. It keeps more people coming back. The more people that enter bluelight.ru, the more people that are in an environment where HM information is easily accessible, and where correct answers are encouraged. As long as BL doesn't become socially focused, I can't see any problem with it at all.
Well it's a bit of a worry IMO, when you've got regular posters and moderators in this very thread admitting that they don't test their pills or even value their life!!
They know though that testing should be done. Whether or not they actually do it is, ultimately up to them, but the point is that they know. People can be educated, but not controlled.
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^ yeah check it out:
New poster/IRC chatter pops up and asks, "Hi guys, anyone here go to raves?"
Just watch the ensuing systematic, blatant and downright rude net-personality-destruction as a mob gathers around in a flaming frenzy to make tired in-jokes that not even we think are funny anymore; about raves not being raves anymore; that raves are places where pillheads go to gurn at each other and run around wearing fluffy clothes spinning glowsticks; that ravers are to be reviled because they like to try and believe in PLUR; that people who DO go to raves and aren't PLUR-preaching pillheads are all muscular cokeheads and barbie dolls...
New poster/IRC chatter logs out... with the image that Bluelight must just be a bunch of drug users who get together to hate on ravers.
Now, personally - the only problem that I have with this is that the person doesn't even get the HM message before they get turned away. That, IMHO is an indictment on the community that Social Bluelight is supposed to be about. It's common for cliques to form in long-standing communities, and it's a natural extension of good friendships and social interaction... but if everyone is involved in a clique, how does someone new get in?
Perhaps the people who need Bluelight the most are being rejected by the social community because they don't fit the mould? The ones who could benefit the most from the HM message are instead pushed further away because they can't see the errors of their ways. Maybe they don't WANT to know better and will turn up their nose anyway... but shouldn't they be given the benefit of the doubt in the first place, in case?
I'm not pointing the finger at anyone, nor putting myself up as a saint - jokes are jokes, and we all love to make them. Sometimes we need to take a quick look and see if the target audience will appreciate the humour first though, before we blaze away, lest we become as cliche'd as the people we joke about.
BigTrancer :)
 
wise words BT. if more people like you came to social maybe it wouldnt be so flooded with crap :D
 
or maybe if we fucked off IRC which in my opinon is a forum created only for useless drivel and has no harm minimsiation content, then we won't have to worry about that aspect of 'bluelights image'?
Aside from the bluelight name, it has fuck all to do with main purpose of the site. At the moment it's just another channel full of people talking rubbish (much like most channels)- it just so happens to be called 'bluelight'. At least put the URL for Drug basics or something useful in the Channel title instead of some inane message about who your daddy is...
I'm not a big fan of IRC as you can tell...
[ 03 September 2002: Message edited by: nezo ]
 
I have a few things to say....
Firstly.......
Originally posted by vurtomatic
why the distinction with drug-pigs? what is a drug-pig? surly most of us have been guilty of indulgence at one time or another, be it drugs of an illicit or legal nature.
are we trying to set ourselves apart or above these drug-pigs?
The reason i used this term was in reference to
Posted by anfalicious
Yes a lot of bluelighters are drug pigs. Yes when you go to a party they're often the most fucked people there.
Secondly......
posted by nezo
Bluelight Crew
Aside from the bluelight name, it has fuck all to do with main purpose of the site. At the moment it's just another channel full of people talking rubbish (much like most channels)- it just so happens to be called 'bluelight'. At least put the URL for Drug basics or something useful in the Channel title instead of some inane message about who your daddy is...
Even though nezo is not a fan of IRC, and i am, he has a good point.
I think that irc does help contribute to bluelights image - and the fact that there is next to no structure (no offence to anyone)within the irc #bluelight room, means that peopl new to bluelight who tend to use irc will gather the wrong imrpession about us.
I think that perhaps like nezo said changing the forum topic would be a good start..........it will be able to give newbies a generel feel,
Another possible way could be to not have the room known as bluelight - therefore disassociating this site with the irc room
Or maybe we should also try to make what we say in theh irc room more productive, althought this kinds of defeats the purpose......
Anyway that what i have to say ;)
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there has been attempts at hm or informative sessions in the bluelight irc channel, courtesy of bt i believe. the problem lies with people being receptive to it.
i'd like to think the irc channel has at least reduced the proliferation of inane posts in this forum.
 
I've only been a member of BL for a couple of weeks now, so Ive never met anyone else on here and none of my friends are on here either. The HM info was mainly what I was looking for and even in this short time, I think I have found some things out which have been usefull for my friends and I (our e use is pretty lowkey).
I don't know much about the BL image not having been out to any of the meetups or anything like that so I wont comment on that.
But I do like the social pages just because the people who past have similar interests to me. I have no interest in reading about who got the most fucked up on the weekend, but I love redaing and posting about what has been going on in Bls lives not only when they are out partying but all the other stuff they get up to aswell.
so...I hope the social pages stay but maybe it is an idea to separate them from the HM pages.
dunno if all that made sense but the my $0.02 :)
 
As far as I'm aware, the IRC channel was never intended to be HM focused. It is a place that people in here can socialise and talk crap in realtime.
People that ask questions in there normaly get an answer though.
 
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