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Bluelight Singles thread "Living without justification" Part 2

Also, Plazzy, nice to see you around again.

Re: your biological argument for teh understanding of love as a tool only for reproduction. I use to think along the same lines, and pretend to have an intellectual superiority over all, with my new magical knowledge, until I actually stpped for a moment and attempted to understand it further. Perhaps that could be relevant to use 78232343434783478478 years ago, but as the term 'evolution' suggests, our brains have evolved since then and consequently as our brains have changed, so have our needs. As we have higher cognitive abilities that need to be stimulated or parts of our brains die, we need to engage with that part of ourselves. That involves complex thought processes and complex emotional sytems.

Argue with this at will, I would like to hear your counter-argument to it. Sarcasm is not to insult in this post but a sore attempt to be funny.
 
Originally posted by plazma

I've got to say once you realise love is just evolution's way of enforcing monogamy and ensuring reproduction

Enforcing monogamy is not evolution's way of ensuring reproduction, think about it. If a male has many partners he's much more likely to sow his seed than if he's stuck to one pair of ovaries. Der.

As for the 'being happier when you're in love' thing... well, life is just that little bit more pleasant when you have someone to share it with. Never underestimate the importance of having someone in your life who you think really understands you. When someone is your partner they are telling you that you are the most amazing person they know at that point in time, and that there isn't another person who they would rather be with [well, when a relationship is good, that is].

Feeling loved by someone has an immeasurable impact on your state of mind.
 
plazma said:


I've got to say once you realise love is just evolution's way of enforcing monogamy and ensuring reproduction, it kinda takes a bit of the, shall we say, 'magic' out of it?

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If love is evolution's way of enforcing monogamy, what about situations where people fall in love with more than one person?

And where does the love of homosexual couples fit into this theory, as their sexual relationship renders them incapable of reprodcution, unless other means are sort?
 
i'm predicting moderate conditions on the up all night front tonight kat, with high probabilty of a cool change later in the week.

that's all from me at the weather desk, back to you aus. social.
 
plazma: does this mean you have never been in love, or plan never to be again, or just that you think you have figured out the sole reasons behind why you do so?

I just question as I don't know how anyone who has been in love could say that. Like breakabeat said, this might have been true when that was the prime focus for humans (reproducing) but we have evolved, and i think falling in love is more the ultimate expression of trust (as in it's the ultimate step for someone to want to share their innermost thoughts and feelings with someone) and therefore one of the highest connections you feel with a person.

Apologies, I'm not very literate today, I've only been awake an hour. :\
 
MP : I've been in love before, when I think about it seriously, probably only the once, but supplemented by a lot of lust and/or serious crushes. I've no intention of steering clear from it in the future, it was a lot of fun (when it wasn't dysfunctional as shit). The fact that I understand that it's my evolutionary programming that's doing it, doesn't mean it's not still great.

The evolutionary thing has been supplemented recently by a societal cult built around love, so it's not solely evolutionary programming, but conditioning as well. Its not to say that love is just crap at all, but it's just that the origins of it, are not as, well, romantic as hollywood would like us to think.

I'm not a cynic about love, I'm just loathe to assume this incredibly powerful emotion just springs out of nowhere.

BREAKaBEAT : Like it or not, evolutionary behaviours have not stopped just because we have consciousness and have isolated ourselves from nature. I'm not suggesting that the purpose of love in an evolutionary sense is solely for reproduction, its not, that's a biological imperative, but the purpose is also that we've evolved raising children in monogamous relationships and love is one of the best ways of maintaining one for the length of time it takes to raise brats.

I'm not saying that there can't be a lot of complex thought and emotions in love that say, a gorilla wouldn't experience in the whole monogamous gorilla experience, but that the way in which love operates in the human brain has been facilitated by evolution as it is a useful tool. It doesn't mean that Love = Reproduction at all, that's where higher brain functions come in, but that Love is essentially the continuation of an evolved behaviour, regardless as to how we try to dress it up.

-plaz out-
 
Is there a marriage thread.; or a thread that addresses; those that which to be married rather than those of flingseach?
Peace,
O.
:).
 
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The whole idea of monogamy has been institutionalised by those fucking catholics, and has nothing to do with human biology. I didnt see you say that plaz until UAN pointed it out.

You are wrong, and UAN is definitely right. Its like first year first week psychology. Boys wanna fuck everything they can to spread the seed. The idea of monogomy in relationships is anything but biological, and can be directly attributed to the evil horseshit that is the church.
 
plazma said:
MP : I've been in love before. I've no intention of steering clear from it in the future, it was a lot of fun (when it wasn't dysfunctional as shit).
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heh. Anyone else find that? (of course you do).

Funny thing about my one and only love is that at one stage (not the entire relationship), I'm pretty sure I loved and hated him at the same time.

Love/ Hate - Diametrically opposed, yet not mutually exclusive.
 
Originally posted by BREAKaBEAT
The whole idea of monogamy has been institutionalised by those fucking catholics, and has nothing to do with human biology. I didnt see you say that plaz until UAN pointed it out.

You are wrong, and UAN is definitely right. Its like first year first week psychology. Boys wanna fuck everything they can to spread the seed. The idea of monogomy in relationships is anything but biological, and can be directly attributed to the evil horseshit that is the church.


um, agreed. but there are also some animals (since we're kinda comparing ourselves here to animals, in the biological sense at least) who have only one partner their whole lives. so i guess in the end it might best be said that it totally depends on the individual.
 
BREAKaBEAT monogamy's been around a long time prior to the Catholic Church, and while it's not the ONLY form of human relationship, it's certainly been the predominant one for raising children since before the church was invented. I'm not going to argue with you that both sexes want the best opportunities for their genetic material, and that by that imperative both girls and guys will sleep around to find the best deal, but what I'm saying is that when they're gonna have kids, odds are it's gonna be an evolutionary monogamous relationship which is the type that the evolutionary & social construct of 'love' is supposed to aid/enforce. I won't argue that the catholic church is evil horseshit though, its true, those fuckers will condition you for life if they get you while you're a kid.

There's plenty of animals that will fuck around, but stick with a partner to have brats, and I'm pretty sure that the missionary activity of the Catholic church among the animal species is fairly limited.

KRC: I wouldn't say Love & Hate are diametrically opposed, I think that they're a lot closer than many people think, due to the intensity and obsession both of them promote, hence why they can be so easily intertwined. I'd say if there were diametric opposites, it would be love & apathy.

-plaz out-
 
^ regarding the diametrically opposed thing i'm with you plaz

i prefer to think of that spectrum as circular - i think love and hate are probably right next to each other; you have to go round the full circle before you get to each one, but they're only one degree apart in my mind.

anyone who incites that strong an emotion on my behalf - love or hate - in some ways should be commended :\

yup...love and indifference/apathy are more opposed...

nice one plaz :)
 
Originally posted by plazma
I'd say if there were diametric opposites, it would be love & apathy.

-plaz out-


Totally agree with that. I know I love my boyfriend because sometimes I absolutely fucking hate him. Stupid thing is, I'm completely serious.
 
I've always viewed love and hate as two completely different emotions, that follow a similar strength of power. Despite the power of each of them (which is the common ground), I feel they oppose each other.

You don't 'have' to hate someone you love but that doesn't mean you can't!

I think we all agree mostly. Well... at least that they're not mutually exclusive.
 
^ i think it would be easier to fall in love with someone you once hated, than to fall in love with someone you had mediocre feelings for, and vice versa.

You certainly don't have to hate them though, no.
 
^ I agree.

And I do agree that hate and love are more closely related than hate and indifference.

Hate and love both require some degree of passion, effort and feeling, where indifference obviously doesn't.
 
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