Bluelight-based arrests?
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habilis said:
Huge issue, if not the issue of our era.
See "protecting anonymous speech"
KemicalBurn
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Re: FBI DEA watching
homeland security doesnt apply to the rest of the world (the server is located in europe)
BL doesnt log IP adresses so they wouldnt get the info from here.
habilis said:
homeland security doesnt apply to the rest of the world (the server is located in europe)
BL doesnt log IP adresses so they wouldnt get the info from here.
Synapse999
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This website is a positive influence on the hard reduction community.
It has shown the importance of how new forms of communication/awareness/knowledge can and has helped many people.
With that said, nobody is looking/tracking/logging people like crimminals and trying to build some case.
If anything, its accepted....and respected for what it does.
Now, as said in the user agreement etc. There are boundries..
If you are "Pablo Escobar", you don't have much rights.
BL still isn't payin attention or gathering info on you.
But forms of Gov. are.
and when you are caught, anything remotely related to the cause would be brought up.
There is no need for paranoia here, as long as you follow the rules.
It has shown the importance of how new forms of communication/awareness/knowledge can and has helped many people.
With that said, nobody is looking/tracking/logging people like crimminals and trying to build some case.
If anything, its accepted....and respected for what it does.
Now, as said in the user agreement etc. There are boundries..
If you are "Pablo Escobar", you don't have much rights.
BL still isn't payin attention or gathering info on you.
But forms of Gov. are.
and when you are caught, anything remotely related to the cause would be brought up.
There is no need for paranoia here, as long as you follow the rules.
Re: Re: Re: FBI DEA watching
I suggest you have a read of http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=171924&r=271 for the full story.
For those too lazy to read 11 pages, several months ago, following the Research Chemical website busts in the US, the DEA passed on the names and addresses of UK citizens who had ordered from certain such sites (the drugs were always Class A in the UK, our version of Schedule 1). One December morning about 30 houses around the UK got raided (inc the houses of several Bluelighters), a complete search done and all drugs confiscated, and their PCs which many have not had returned yet!
This was not due to actions or information described in Bluelight, but there is no doubt the DEA and other law enforcement agencies know of Bluelight. While some police might see the website for its harm reduction aim, most will just see "How to shot dope better" or "I can't seem to smoke my meth properly" and consider it a bad thing. Would you should Bluelight to your mother and hope she sees the harm reduction side of it? I doubt few would.
Its highly unlikely a single person would be worth the time of a law enforcement person/group to track down on the off chance they have a small quantity of drugs on them. Its far easier and more efficent for police to just raid a club, gaurenteed to catch a few people.
If you're truely anonymous, not refering to where you live, your job or giving any personal details, then without going to enormous lengths (probably seizing the server, which is outside the US so damn hard to do) you'd have to be really worth something to warrant going through all the hassle, and if you were stupid enough to talk about it on Bluelight, you'd not be smart enough to have risen that high in the drugs trade anyway.
Wrong, they do.habilis said:
I suggest you have a read of http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=171924&r=271 for the full story.
For those too lazy to read 11 pages, several months ago, following the Research Chemical website busts in the US, the DEA passed on the names and addresses of UK citizens who had ordered from certain such sites (the drugs were always Class A in the UK, our version of Schedule 1). One December morning about 30 houses around the UK got raided (inc the houses of several Bluelighters), a complete search done and all drugs confiscated, and their PCs which many have not had returned yet!
This was not due to actions or information described in Bluelight, but there is no doubt the DEA and other law enforcement agencies know of Bluelight. While some police might see the website for its harm reduction aim, most will just see "How to shot dope better" or "I can't seem to smoke my meth properly" and consider it a bad thing. Would you should Bluelight to your mother and hope she sees the harm reduction side of it? I doubt few would.
Its highly unlikely a single person would be worth the time of a law enforcement person/group to track down on the off chance they have a small quantity of drugs on them. Its far easier and more efficent for police to just raid a club, gaurenteed to catch a few people.
If you're truely anonymous, not refering to where you live, your job or giving any personal details, then without going to enormous lengths (probably seizing the server, which is outside the US so damn hard to do) you'd have to be really worth something to warrant going through all the hassle, and if you were stupid enough to talk about it on Bluelight, you'd not be smart enough to have risen that high in the drugs trade anyway.
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Just use common sense, don't post incriminating stuff on this ste.
Like the people posting tons of drug pictures in the gallery, that is kind of stupid, IMO. If you are ever charged with any serious drug violation, those pictures are liable to bite you in the ass.
But I think the vast majority of posts regarding drugs are harmless and won't ever result in any criminal prosecution. The DEA doesn't have the time or money to worry about such things.
Like the people posting tons of drug pictures in the gallery, that is kind of stupid, IMO. If you are ever charged with any serious drug violation, those pictures are liable to bite you in the ass.
But I think the vast majority of posts regarding drugs are harmless and won't ever result in any criminal prosecution. The DEA doesn't have the time or money to worry about such things.
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Re: Re: FBI DEA watching
First, how does this information arrive on a web site? Its travel is initiated from the senders computer and passed onto their internet access provider, who then passes it on to a gateway provider, who passes it on to another, and on and on it goes. Finally, it reached the web site's internet presence provider, who passes it to the server where it is stored.
For all internet traffic traveling from North America to Europe, the packets are passed through a set of HUBs located in the Northeast, and arrives at HUBs located in London.
Each packet has a place of origin and destination, and contents in plain text. During this long chain of packet passing, absolutely anything can take place on this information packet.
There is no such thing as casual anonymous internet use. And I have doubts with regards to aggressive anonymous internet use being opaque.
This is an excerpt from a previous incarnation:
I'm not trying to stir the pot of paranoia further, but I would like to point out some misconceptions that people seem to have about the nature of the internet, and its potential for tracking and surveillance.KemicalBurn said:
First, how does this information arrive on a web site? Its travel is initiated from the senders computer and passed onto their internet access provider, who then passes it on to a gateway provider, who passes it on to another, and on and on it goes. Finally, it reached the web site's internet presence provider, who passes it to the server where it is stored.
For all internet traffic traveling from North America to Europe, the packets are passed through a set of HUBs located in the Northeast, and arrives at HUBs located in London.
Each packet has a place of origin and destination, and contents in plain text. During this long chain of packet passing, absolutely anything can take place on this information packet.
There is no such thing as casual anonymous internet use. And I have doubts with regards to aggressive anonymous internet use being opaque.
This is an excerpt from a previous incarnation:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?postid=2014092#post2014092
Originally posted by Brian Oblivion
Once upon a time, I was investigating a data analysis approach to complex information processing called semantic trees for a project that I was once worked on involving a health surveillance monitoring system. These are often used for pattern analysis of speech and textual information. (Semantic trees are a form of semantic network on steroids.)
While I was investigating them, I found out that NSA actually owned several patents on a higher abstraction of this data representation and analysis approach which are called semantic forests. This approach takes the whole concept of semantic trees (complex semantic networks) to an incredibly high and massive level. I found out about the NSA patents back in the mid 90's.
OK, so what?
A few weeks after 9/11, the US government announced that a pay phone call was intercepted in France where bin Ladin called his mother (who was undergoing cancer treatments). The phone call was made a few days before 9/11 to tell his mom to watch for something that will be very big.
Issues:
I'm not implying that I know what is really going on (I don't). But what I'm suggesting is that there is a LOT more going on then is available to, or understood by, the general public.
10 years ago I also felt that the "noise to signal ratio" (i.e., "noise" verses "data of interest") was too large to effectively isolate the two. Given advances in both computer science and computer hardware I no longer believe that is the case any longer.
Originally posted by Brian Oblivion
Once upon a time, I was investigating a data analysis approach to complex information processing called semantic trees for a project that I was once worked on involving a health surveillance monitoring system. These are often used for pattern analysis of speech and textual information. (Semantic trees are a form of semantic network on steroids.)
While I was investigating them, I found out that NSA actually owned several patents on a higher abstraction of this data representation and analysis approach which are called semantic forests. This approach takes the whole concept of semantic trees (complex semantic networks) to an incredibly high and massive level. I found out about the NSA patents back in the mid 90's.
OK, so what?
A few weeks after 9/11, the US government announced that a pay phone call was intercepted in France where bin Ladin called his mother (who was undergoing cancer treatments). The phone call was made a few days before 9/11 to tell his mom to watch for something that will be very big.
Issues:
- This was a common, random, telephone call
- The call was made on a French public telephone
- It took several weeks (3 if I remember correctly) to isolate the conversation
- The US released this information about 6 weeks after 9/11
- How did the US have access to this phone call
Eschelon? - Why did it take 3 weeks to isolate
Massive large scale data buffering, with slower post data analysis?
I'm not implying that I know what is really going on (I don't). But what I'm suggesting is that there is a LOT more going on then is available to, or understood by, the general public.
10 years ago I also felt that the "noise to signal ratio" (i.e., "noise" verses "data of interest") was too large to effectively isolate the two. Given advances in both computer science and computer hardware I no longer believe that is the case any longer.
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Moving to DC, thanks KB.
fastandbulbous
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Obviously the Regional Crime Squads in the UK haven't read your post. Everybody targetted in the ACS/operation Ismene raids in the UK had their PC seized
drumnbass420
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stupid cunts
This shit scares me. But then again if someone is incriminating themselves they may deserve it. I think its wrong to post pictures of yourself with drugs, or your stash, but I would never thought they hunt people down on websites like this. Grrrr
I think these fucking feds should get off everyones balls. fuck them, just fuck em. I would say some mean, evil, nasty shit but I dont want them knocking at my front door. Go find some real criminals you pig ass rats, and its about time you get Ben Laden and his crew. Its about time bitchs, dont be hunting down people who make posts on the internet
get a life8(
get a real job
and GO FUCK YOURSELFS!!!!!
This shit scares me. But then again if someone is incriminating themselves they may deserve it. I think its wrong to post pictures of yourself with drugs, or your stash, but I would never thought they hunt people down on websites like this. Grrrr
I think these fucking feds should get off everyones balls. fuck them, just fuck em. I would say some mean, evil, nasty shit but I dont want them knocking at my front door. Go find some real criminals you pig ass rats, and its about time you get Ben Laden and his crew. Its about time bitchs, dont be hunting down people who make posts on the internet
get a life8(
get a real job
and GO FUCK YOURSELFS!!!!!
ezbakeoven
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id think the only way you could get in trouble is if you post a pic with yourself doing the drug, because other than that theyd have no way to prove it.
drumnbass420
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SORRY BLUELIGHT GUYS!!
Im not sorry to those rat pig sub-humans, trying to bust peoples balls. But I just don't like pig sewer rats. I think they should stay in the sewer where they came from and feast on shit and maggots. (Sorry again guys!)
I know its extremely sloppy to leave an incriminating trail of evidence. Thats a great way to bring the Heat on you. Whoever does has no common sense whats so ever! I recently saw several pictures on a forum of someone shooting up whatever they were doing, and smoking meth. Come on! You really think they look cool with a big needle in their arm like that? To each is own I guess. What if they come to your door with warrants, and theres nothing you can do..You think its so cool now!
Next time you engage in "criminal" behavior don't be so sloppy! Worlds stupidest people. Next time you do something that breaks the law don't take pictures or anything that can be used against you (even if its posts). Thats like those stupid kids a few years ago who video taped themselves beating people on the street, and vandalizing. Well, you just black mailed your self, you stupid fucks. don't you feel so smart? Tisk, tisk, tisk sloppy, sloppy, sloppy! Doesn't get any stupider than that...
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Im not sorry to those rat pig sub-humans, trying to bust peoples balls. But I just don't like pig sewer rats. I think they should stay in the sewer where they came from and feast on shit and maggots. (Sorry again guys!)
I know its extremely sloppy to leave an incriminating trail of evidence. Thats a great way to bring the Heat on you. Whoever does has no common sense whats so ever! I recently saw several pictures on a forum of someone shooting up whatever they were doing, and smoking meth. Come on! You really think they look cool with a big needle in their arm like that? To each is own I guess. What if they come to your door with warrants, and theres nothing you can do..You think its so cool now!
Next time you engage in "criminal" behavior don't be so sloppy! Worlds stupidest people. Next time you do something that breaks the law don't take pictures or anything that can be used against you (even if its posts). Thats like those stupid kids a few years ago who video taped themselves beating people on the street, and vandalizing. Well, you just black mailed your self, you stupid fucks. don't you feel so smart? Tisk, tisk, tisk sloppy, sloppy, sloppy! Doesn't get any stupider than that...
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KemicalBurn
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habilis said:
well, not "watch", but your computer doesnt delete anything - and in some case they can 'bug' your PC (they dont even have to enter your house to do this).
I see. Yeah it's a good idea then to turn off any IM logging. One thing I have wondered about before is does the DEA have an IM keyword sniffer? For example, they might have some sort of systems that sniffs for certain keywords or sequences to pass through IM's and then a red flag goes up for further investigation. It seems highly unlikely since that's basically an unfettered illegal blanket wiretap for 30 or so million people. That would be pretty 1984. I'm sure here in the US homeland security is trying to get that to happen.
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so how carefull should you be on msn?