Bluelight Astrology Club :)

[Jamshyd]

^Thanks


Edit: Jammy- I found a chart of yours- were you born at 9am exactly?!?!

PM!! I posted the corrected chart three or four pages ago... and yes, exactly on the hour as far as Jordanian birth certificates can be trusted .

 

[Jabberwocky]

Aspects are a major indicator of the nature of the relationship between two planets. Sextile (60°) and trine (120° ) are mostly harmonious. squares (90°) ,semi-squares (45°), oppositions (180°) are tense. Conjunctions which are planets in the same area of the sky depend heavily on the nature of the planets involved.

Astrologers vary a ton on orb or orbs. Orbs are how close to exact an aspect has to be to be considered a significant influence.

 

[Kenickie]

wow Enki, i'm falling more and more in love with you

 

[Jabberwocky]

^Thanks & back at ya

One area of aspects that I feel is neglected in traditional astrology is the quintile. I think at some point astrologers stuck mostly with aspects that ended in zero. Opposition is half, square is a fourth. Trine is a third, sextile is a sixth. What about a fifth? Its the quintile. It shows talents, skills, and faculties. 72°. Fractions are based on portion of 360°.

Even though I'm not into astrology much I have a reading style with charts that can really make people go 'Wow!' Where the ruler of each house is residing is given attention. Say Taurus ascendent-its ruler is venus- is in the eighth hose. Some of the identity will be secretive, and involved with legacies. Taurus asc with venus in the third will incline identity towards being known in their neighbor hood, fraternal connections, and being a bit of a gossip. Put venus in that case in the tenth and reputation and attainment will be much more important.

 

[malakaix]

I have a question regarding Grand Trines and my own chart. I've read from a few different source's that Ascendants and Midheaven's can also makeup part of the Grand Trine.. but other sources that only mention planets, i have what appears to look like a Grand Trine between Cancer (Sun), Scorpio (Pluto) and Midheaven (Pisces), although when looked at closer i think one of the angles is off by a few degree's or more, thus not been a perfect 120degree triangle, none the less there all Trine aspected.

The image below is edited to show two separate chart drawings, i couldn't generate a chart where it showed aspects between the mid-heaven aswell as the side-panel with the degree's.

 

[Jabberwocky]

^Grand trines can end up inclining people towards superficiality, because trines are somewhat about the ability to skate through areas where others have to work. I personally don't count the mc or the asc as points for grand trines, if I did I would also count the dec and IC. There is so much potential info in a chart that everyone who does it a while starts making some exclusions. Aspects to those four significant points are considered important by others. Just giving you how I do things and also that I'm mostly glad I don't have any tight orb grand trines.

 

[Kenickie]

i gotta ask -- does anyone give a damn about the Lilith Node? i have no fucking clue what it does, nor do i have any idea about some of the asteroids. Mariposa gave me some idea but i still don't know why they are important.

 

[Jabberwocky]

^I'm an enthusiast of Chiron and some asteroids. There is more than one Lilith. One is a mathematical point and there is asteroid 1181, there is a third Lilith also but I can't remember about the third one. (was it a Uranian or Hamburg school hypothetical? I can not remember) Currently I have not used any of them and have no experience based opinion about any of them.

 

[ocean]

malakaix- You actually have a kite in your chart, which is somewhat rare.....Enki and I just mentioned a kite in our last conversation.....
Every astrologer is different and I personally would include the MC for a grand trine......
Like Enki said, people with grand trines tend to skate through certain areas of life that others don't.
You would look at what planets and signs (and MC in this case) are working together-
Trines are energies working smoothly together, so you would figure the parts making up your grand trine would be areas of your life that are for the most part harmonious.....BUT if you get used to things in those areas running so smoothly, you do not put forth any effort it CAN lead to trouble.
I am not saying this is the situation in any or even most grand trine charts- but when I did my mentorship program- I did a short study on criminals charts and my mentor said Grand Trine people tend to get into more trouble (than my guess which was Grand Cross people) b/c things just come so easy they think they can get away with anything.......

Kenickie- I have been interested in asteroids and have read a bunch on them, and on BMLilith too-
I have a special interest in Lilith as she is tied to the Goddess Ishtar/Inanna, who holds a place in my heart.
I never feel comfortable enough to really use asteroids in reading others charts except for Chiron, which I do use regularly.
I don;t feel comfortable with Lilith, or BML (which conjunct each other and Juno in my first house) b/c I don't fully understand the difference between them.
But I know all three lilith's are supposed to be very feminine-
The BML being the more secretive or dark side of the feminine and the others not as much......
And of course Lilith is supposed to be similar to Scorpio- sexual, passionate, feminine power- also nurturing, loyal and spiritual.......
My main issues are how to tie it in with the chart as a whole. Like my Lilith's conjunct Juno (in Scorpio) in the first........I don't really know how I would interpret that. Other than there are strong Lilith characteristics in my personality and life......

 

[ebola?]

Ebola did you have any specific ontology or metaphysical issues you are wondering about in relation to astrology?

As an outsider, I'm interested in what astrologers think about the matter, as said matter is what drives most of my interests and thoughts.

 

[Jabberwocky]

^Two questions that would be ontological: To what extent can planets be treated as entities? To what extent does a natal chart represent a unalterable nature or quality for the native?

I'm more a dabbler than an astrologer, but I usually reject fixed natures assigned to humans as much as I can get away with. Enough issues with human beings are of a type or class that I can not say I hate classifying people and their lives.

Planets are super clusters of ideas, drives, and modes of being in astrology. I tend to treat philosophies, concepts, and models as entities all the time. I tend to regard houses and signs as modes or stances and planets as more dynamic or entity like.

I imagine there are thousands of different takes, probably millions on even the most basic propositions involved in astrology.

 

[ocean]

^There is always free will.........

A chart is like a map, you can always go off road if you choose to.......
I think a chart shows the souls natural patterns but that doesn't mean things can't be overcome or are set in stone imo.

 

[Jamshyd]

Ocean and Enki (and anyone really): Any commentary is welcome on my fixt PM chart (on p. 4 I believe) .

Even though I'm not into astrology much I have a reading style with charts that can really make people go 'Wow!' Where the ruler of each house is residing is given attention. Say Taurus ascendent-its ruler is venus- is in the eighth hose. Some of the identity will be secretive, and involved with legacies. Taurus asc with venus in the third will incline identity towards being known in their neighbor hood, fraternal connections, and being a bit of a gossip. Put venus in that case in the tenth and reputation and attainment will be much more important.

Are you by any chance talking of the "depositor" system, or as I like to call it, "planetary feudalism" ? If so, I love that way of looking at it.

As for me, my problem is just like with tarot: I have all the symbolism down pat, and enjoy it a lot, but I suck at turning it into a story to tell people.

 

[Kenickie]

Two interesting developments:

First, I'd been star-gazing lately, and I noticed that only Saturn and Mars are visible in my night-sky, and that in the last lunar month, Mars would be conjunct (visibly, at least) with Luna.

Am I at all surprised that this is a time of great misfortune (and an odd obsession with studying history) for me?


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Second, I discovered a key piece of info that has made my chart make MUUUUUUCH more sense: I found a journal entry in my mothers' photo album where it states that I was born at 9:00pm, when I'd always thought it was in the AM.

Here is my actual natal chart, and now that I look it it, it explains much that was confusing, yet retains much that was obvious.

jesus christ Jammy, your chart is all over the place! give me a minute and i'll ask you about it, i'm quoting you so i can see it.

 

[Kenickie]

can i just say though, i am not surprised at all about your ascendant being virgo. you look virgo.

& mercury in sag, thats really awesome!!

well....i think it's interesting anyway.

When Sagittarius is in Mercury, the mind is on fire with ideas, especially visions for the future. Those born with this Mercury have a cheerful way of making light conversation, but also love being drawn into philosophical debates. These natives are curious and open-minded, alighting on each detail as a possible clue leading to their end goal -- the illuminated truth.

Sagittarius is an inspired fire sign that seeks the broadest possible perspective, collecting all the pieces to form a whole, the big picture. Sadge is the map maker, and Mercury here means mental adventures to get a sense of every landscape. Many with this Mercury stay in the academy for as long as possible, thriving in the learning environment.

When your mind is a chaotically moving spotlight, there's a lot that's left in shadow. There's a rush to declare the Truth of the matter, often before all the facts are in. This native often fixes on a passionate thought, but misses subtle nuances. Without tact, this Mercury steps on toes and says hurtful things without meaning to, lacking the subtlety to read a situation on an emotional level.

This Mercury paints a situation in broad strokes, and this kind of sight makes them visionaries for the future. It helps if they've got allies to fill in the details they've missed. These natives shine a klieg light on whatever is in their field of vision, and often are blinded to all else. Their challenge is developing discernment in their quest for the highest truth, so they'll know which threads to follow.

Mercury here is restless, dynamic and able to come up with colorful narratives to explain this journey called life. As artist-creators, they infuse the mundane with vitality, proving that sometimes, "God is in the details." These souls are gifted in the fields of science, the arts, comedy, music and as educators, philosophers, activists, politicians or full-time adventure-seeker.

sounds like our jam!

 

[funny carry on]

don't hear that very often

respect for quoting "as above, so below". An ancient phrase absolutely pregnant with meaning. Good look in your pursuits.

 

[ebola?]

Although Astrology holds no resonance for me...
Cancer sun sign with virgo (moon?) rising and libra fucking everywhere up in this bitch! :D

 

[ocean]

Jam- Of course, the first thing that pops out is the t-square between the moon(taur 9th house), venus(aqua 6th house) and saturn (scorp 3rd house- though if time is off a little could be conj. IC).
This has me wondering about the father figure in your life (this could also be an older brother since sat is in the third)- There could have been some sort of detachment there that causes you emotional stress or changed the way you feel/show affection.
This also may be where some of your love for exploring comes from.....even though the t-square is in fixed signs, in houses that show travel, I would think whatever sort of tension that arises from this tsquare gives you a strong desire to open yourself to the world.
T-Squares are released through the opposite house as the center of the t-sq. - this would be the 12th house........
So I view the 12th house a little differently than the books will say.
I think it is your subconscious mind, your hidden self, your approach to life cycles and your spiritual self..........
The thing that bothers me about saying the tsquare is straining towards the father is that there are those trines between the moon and jup/sun in the 5th.
If I put aside the word father, it could be a different sort of, but intense bond to you and whoever is the the authority figure in your life.
I would also say there is a distance between you and this person, though there is strong love.
Your IC in Sag with Merc and Uranus in Sag there shows you are able to think outside the box- and your home life will not be the typical, traditional type of home.......
I also like the fact that Jup is in the 5th (ruler of Sag) . Your family and home life is likely important to you and is the source of your desire to explore, both mentally and physically all you can.
Anyway- I probably should have taken more time to look at the chart in its entirety before spouting off the first things that jumped at me and in such a scattered way (yeah, you can see my aquar/libra/libra - very here,there and everywhere Sorry.)
You do have an interesting chart and knowing what I do of you (which isn't a WHOLE lot) it is very fitting. Your open mind, and your adventurous spirit are there.
I will look more at it later and get back to you.


Kenickie- Where did you get what you quoted?

 

[Kenickie]

i dunno what you be talking bout willis

 

[ocean]

Whoa- ebola, that's quite a stellium you have there!