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^Thanks- Yeah, I've been using astro - which is GREAT but I keep having to pull charts for the various days.......maybe If I did enough looking around I would have found one there?? But the link you gave will work great, thanks.




edit: do you know what time zone thats on?
 
just wanted to say how nice this thread is , I know next to nothing about astrology but posa has always sparked my interest as I respect her deeply. I'll be tuning in w/this now subscribed :). thx.
 
So, I've been going through some BIG transformations this last year and especially more recently..........
SO I'm doing some looking...........
Biggest outer planet tranists- Jup and Uranus crossing into my 6th house (Uranus has been for a while, slow poke)
Neptune, crossing into my 5th house (back and forth since Nov/Dec 09- now firmly into my 5th)
The entire last year Saturn has been in my 12th house- Which, according to Robert Hand, is a time of introspection (he says withdraw) and a time to "clear the decks" - I've found this to be pretty true of my last year. The last couple months Saturn has been sitting on top of my Moon and Asc. which is yet another thing showing me withdrawing.
I wanted to take a peek at my chart today b/c I have noticed I'm almost putting up a wall between myself and others in my real life- I've been talking more to people online.......
Anyway, Saturn is going to go rx soon and will cross over my moon again, which I'm not sure what I think about) and will come back to conj. my Jup and natal Saturn........
Everything I have read about Sat in the 12th and in the first says to be sure to not build walls, to clear out what doesn't improve your life and to look forward not backwards........
This is all very accurate but this means I'm in for years more of this!! hahaha
Hopefully I will continue to be more positive about it all-
Jupiter is coming up to a sextile with my natal sun- I am looking forward to that. :)
Blah blah blah

It appears The Mtn Astrologer for Feb/March has some good articles- I've started one on the 12th house but haven't finished yet b/c I'm scatterbrained;)
 
ocean said:
Biggest outer planet tranists- Jup and Uranus crossing into my 6th house (Uranus has been for a while, slow poke)
Neptune, crossing into my 5th house (back and forth since Nov/Dec 09- now firmly into my 5th)
The entire last year Saturn has been in my 12th house- Which, according to Robert Hand, is a time of introspection (he says withdraw) and a time to "clear the decks" - I've found this to be pretty true of my last year. The last couple months Saturn has been sitting on top of my Moon and Asc. which is yet another thing showing me withdrawing.
I wanted to take a peek at my chart today b/c I have noticed I'm almost putting up a wall between myself and others in my real life- I've been talking more to people online.......
Anyway, Saturn is going to go rx soon and will cross over my moon again, which I'm not sure what I think about) and will come back to conj. my Jup and natal Saturn........
Everything I have read about Sat in the 12th and in the first says to be sure to not build walls, to clear out what doesn't improve your life and to look forward not backwards........
This is all very accurate but this means I'm in for years more of this!! hahaha
Hopefully I will continue to be more positive about it all-
Jupiter is coming up to a sextile with my natal sun- I am looking forward to that. :)
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As you know, because of my natal Rx as to all outer planets and your Asc not far from mine (in an out-of-sign-position - mine is Virgo) we have similar charts. I'm pulling this data from my head.

T Uranus in 6th nailed my health and made me even more accident-prone. Carry hand sanitizer, mind your step, and get enough sleep <3 It's not quite over for me. Ought to be interesting once it crosses into 7th. But as long as it's been T 6th, I've been nervous and erratic. Sometimes the randomness has been fun. I've had a set of premonitions (and I am not at all psychic) which I will talk to any of you about privately.

Don't worry about T Saturn conj Moon. It may make you more emotional for an extended period of time. You are an adaptive person; do expect emotions and self-doubt but you will manage. Saturn is not the big bad guy all the time. He will give you mental toughness to the extent you lend your hand in peace to him.

I have N Saturn in 12th, it's transiting through 1st and conjunct my Pluto in 1st. Transformation and toughness are the order of the moment. I am fully finished with my Saturn Return; my life is totally different than it was at the start of my Saturn Return. Time will tell if it is ultimately for the better. I worry about a false sense of security at times. N Pluto in 1st will get me through. I think! ;) Keep looking forward, indeed, because the decisions you make now will be instrumental in your future... and always let your conscience be your guide.

T Jupiter is conj my chart ruler (Mercury @ 0 Aries smack dab on my DC!) and 4th has 3 positions/planets. My concentration has been on work and family (including non-related friends whom I consider family) because of that transit by square. NN is in approach so I will do it right this time. As with Saturn transits, not all squares are a bad thing. Squares push a person into hard action. T Neptune in 5th has made me so dreamy and a little airheaded - Saturn T 1st has kicked my tail back onto the ground.

Stand by your decisions and while you may not be able to spare some discontent, keep moving forward, keep looking forward. Also remember the world is going through a lot of rough times. Every human being presently alive is affected.

I need to pop into this thread more often. <3 Much love to everyone who has participated.
 
^I believe that Ptolemy had listed Ophiuchus way back when.....


okay and when I did a quick search it appears the first mention in writings was in Aratus in 4th century BC.

Its nothing new, and most everyone in this thread would agree that it is nothing new........only brought back into the public eye again by some astronomers trying to dismiss astrology or cause a ruckus or something :)
I'm not sure if the 13th zodiac is used now in sidereal astrology or not- guess I could research it but I don't feel like it :)
I usually stay outof the argument b/c western astrology as it is (with pluto as a planet btw) works for me just fine.


'Posa- Yeah, things you mentioned in your post seem fitting for similar things in my life atm.
Let me know how you feel about the Sat/Plu conj in the first.
As you know, Pluto conj my Asc. - Luckily, I have a little time due to Sat's Rx before I need to deal with that!!
I have found that the Sat/Moon conj has not made me more emotional- but more practical with my emotions, if that makes any sense. I'm approaching very 'emotiona;' issues in a very practical, calm way- And there is something in there making me very positive............not sure if it is those two or just their placements- (12th house)
Anyway- I'm not even done with my coffee yet- its early for this! hahaha :D
 
But don't the Kuiper belt objects and the Oort cloud objects have any significance? We could keep expanding the number of signs, or at least refine the predictions slightly more.

Yeah they said it was an ancient sign that they are reintroducing to the lexicon. I think it's interesting.
Astrology is good fun, and one way to view the world. Astronomy has no business trying to ruin the party just because they both talk about planets.
 
I personally believe that every star, asteroid, planet and "dwarf planets" have significance- Maybe if we figured out what influence they all held we'd find some key to how the universe works- but I'll stick to my plain jane astrology. I'm always learning and trying to understand that. IT's complicated enough. :)
 
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But don't the Kuiper belt objects and the Oort cloud objects have any significance? We could keep expanding the number of signs, or at least refine the predictions slightly more.

Yeah they said it was an ancient sign that they are reintroducing to the lexicon. I think it's interesting.
Astrology is good fun, and one way to view the world. Astronomy has no business trying to ruin the party just because they both talk about planets.
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Thanks for being a good sport, CD, but there is no "they" where it comes to astrology. It is not a field where there is genuine consensus - every astrologer works differently.

I will continue to work without Ophiuchus for the time being for the reason Ocean stated. This comes up every few years. It is consistently debunked and as I practice Western geocentric astrology as I was born on Earth (the heliocentric folks believe differently) - I'll keep doing it the way I was taught... by people who've known about Ophiuchus since the time people started looking to the stars for answers.

Citation.

Although I generally dislike using myself as an example, it is relevant to this matter. Yours truly is assuredly not a Pisces Sun/Moon with Cancer Asc, which is what this "new zodiac" would dictate. I can think of many other examples of people I have studied. Astrology is both an art and a science. Astronomy may be magical, but last I checked a circle had 360 degrees in it, with the cardinal sign angles at the four seasonal points. 360 divided by 12 equals 30. There are 30 degrees in each sign.

To everything, there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven...

Mainstream media will never change the facts. The best astrologers I know (including Ocean) realize this.

As for the KP objects and Oort cloud objects, I need to read up on those. Off the top of my Aries head, I don't think they have enough gravitational pull for geocentric Western astrologers to be of relevance, but I need to confirm this and will report back after I speak with my main teacher.
 
Well it's just that they are literally the most far out things in our solar system. Far out things interest me:)
The Oort cloud expands about as far as halfway between the next nearest stars. Something like 2 lightyears I think, yet some of the objects are near the size of earth and rocky, and there's billions or more comets and stuff making it up.
The Kuiper belt is much closer. Pluto is actually the most significant Kuiper belt object. There's some really cool dwarf planets out there. One is like the shape of a giant football and totally icey.
I'm just saying a meticulous astrologer could try and refine their predictions just slightly more if they take those things into account. If pluto makes any difference then I think the rest of the kuiper belt objects should play a part. but if it's not worth trying to delve into I'd totally understand that feeling.
And I like your point about 360 divided by 12. It really would make a new sign impossible, or at least quite mathematically ugly wouldn't it?
 
CoffeeDrinker said:
I'm just saying a meticulous astrologer could try and refine their predictions just slightly more if they take those things into account. If pluto makes any difference then I think the rest of the kuiper belt objects should play a part. but if it's not worth trying to delve into I'd totally understand that feeling.

And I like your point about 360 divided by 12. It really would make a new sign impossible, or at least quite mathematically ugly wouldn't it?
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It is worth delving into :) Everything is! Mathematically ugly as to the 13th sign would be true if Ophiuchus were to be a sign. That's been ruled out by some and not by others. I won't be resetting my software except to add the KP and Oort Cloud objects. I'm not yet sure how.

I know a Scorpio Sun who knows nothing about astrology, and whose birth data I do not have at hand. When he saw in the news that Pluto was no longer a planet, he had a total identity crisis. He wondered whether or not Pluto still mattered. :(

I told him it did, very much so, and that although astrology is based on the movement of the planets (astronomy) that it is the people and the astrological culture that are what matter. We aren't fearful of delving into the most complex issues. Astrology taught me how to be a student of life, and although I have made mistakes...

I'm still an Aries and my friend is still a Scorpio. Pluto is a planet, a very powerful planet. Having it natally in 1st opposing my Sun and Moon has been a pain in my tail at times. I wouldn't change it, and that hardest of aspects has made me able to deal with quite a bit.

Saturn conjoining Pluto by transit in my 1st has saved me from being a little lost lamb.

You have a good head for astrology, CD. Keep it up :)
 
The recent change in the zodiac

I was wondering what was up with the recent change in the zodiac and what the wise and knowledgeable bluelight community has to say on it.

Isnt the zodiac based on time itself? how can something thats written in time itself, change overtime?

who is this 13th zodiac member "Ophiucus" and what is he about.
 
Ocean and Mariposa have given background and analysis on this in the BL astrology thread. I'm going to merge your thread here into that one and you can scroll back and see if they have and check out the discussion so far.
 
Christ, Saturn has been kicking my ass lately.. just got through a Sun square Saturn transit, and am currently transiting through Saturn square Saturn and Neptune square Saturn.

Im finding it very difficult to enjoy myself during this time, reality has hit me hard in the face, feels like a massive die-off of old parts of myself, with Saturn in the 8th house.
 
^It is way too funny you are bringing this up b/c I saw a post of yours somewhere and almost said "Aren't you going through a Saturn thing right now?" :D Wow......I have a better memory than I thought.;)

So- Yesterday was an Aquarius New Moon and rather than this big chuck of planets and the Moon being in Aquarius making me detached, it made me pretty emotional- My mother too......(Both of us are Aquarians with more than one planet in Aquarius)
It was a releasing day for me though. I felt the start of a rebirth occurring :)
Strange days....... :)

We now have 5 planets plus Chiron in Air signs........Are any of you feeling those? My Aries people, how are you dealing with Saturn in Libra?
 
ocean said:
We now have 5 planets plus Chiron in Air signs........Are any of you feeling those? My Aries people, how are you dealing with Saturn in Libra?
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So far, alright. Mercury, Venus, and NN should presently be in the beginning degrees of Pisces. I'd have to check.

T Saturn remains in my 1st approaching my 2nd.

I did get sick (not even close to fatally so or anything) when all of those positions were in Aquarius, which is a bit anomalous. I'll have to look into that a bit more. Could have been Chiron.

Uranus is at 29 Pisces (it's about to go into my 7th so that could explain my recent yucky feelings since my chart ruler, Mercury, is nearing the Aries Point). I'd like to know what implications that will have on the world's political stability or rather lack thereof once it hits that point. For my part, I'm somewhat glad it will be transiting out of my natal 6th. Health and wealth should improve.

For the world's general political stability, however, I see an increase in instability beyond what is already happening. A key word with Uranus is "unpredictability".

I am hopeful for the right kinds of surprises for everyone. The people of the world have more of a voice than they have in a long time. As long as we all stick together through the instability, I think we will be able to build a world appropriate to the Aquarian Age ideals of peace, love, and fairness. Uranus at the Aries Point will decide that for the world if the people do not decide for themselves!

People with heavy Leo and Scorpio influences must be having some interesting times right now.

Ocean - New Moon = New Beginnings <3

malakaix - I quite like the position of Saturn transiting 8th (that's what you meant, right?) as it will clean anything out of your past that does not need to be there. Please do your best to keep yourself happy. With the Sun squaring Saturn, you may not be happy at first, but do recall that it's the degree of the Sun that is the faster mover! It'll be over with as soon as you know it, and you'll have learned much. Make your decisions for yourself or this is one transit that will sure make them for you.

Also, to reiterate: Ophichus is NOT generally recognized as the 13th sign; this is talked about every few years, and has been debunked. See Linda Goodman's explanation on "Astrology 13" for further. Thanks.
 
Mariposa said:
malakaix - I quite like the position of Saturn transiting 8th (that's what you meant, right?) as it will clean anything out of your past that does not need to be there. Please do your best to keep yourself happy.
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Hai Mariposa

Sorry i meant my natal Saturn is in the 8th, my Saturn Transit is currently transiting the 5th house.. i believe by the time it reach's the 8th it will be my Saturn Return.. which been in the 8th house under Capricorn is going to be all kinds of fun.. :) But, knowing the transformation that will take place, i look forward too it.
 
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Hai Mariposa

Sorry i meant my natal Saturn is in the 8th, my Saturn Transit is currently transiting the 5th house.. i believe by the time it reach's the 8th it will be my Saturn Return.. which been in the 8th house under Capricorn is going to be all kinds of fun.. :) But, knowing the transformation that will take place, i look forward too it.
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Oh, no biggie. Your Saturn Return will definitely be transformative. Saturn is well-placed in Capricorn as Saturn is natively in Capricorn. My Saturn Return entirely changed my life. You are correct that when Saturn reaches the degree where it was when you were born, that's your Saturn Return. It is an extremely pivotal point and it's one for which you should prepare.

Mine made me move several hundred miles away from what I considered home. I met a bunch of people and had a lot of fun in the process. The people that needed to be eliminated from my life were, the new ones were welcomed... and I got super depressed, which was the last thing I needed.

Saturn: A New Look at an Old Devil by Liz Greene is probably the definitive book on the matter.

8th covered by Cappy means intensity in some form or another. As Taurus rules the natural 8th, look to your signs intently. If you do so you will be fine!
 
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