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RCs Big n Dandy 4-FA (4-fluoroamphetamine) thread v.1.0

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4FA like tore up my nose permanently so watch out! My nose is a different shape after using it for two nights. The good effects are only good for 1-2 doses and then after that it turns into pure stimulation.

My 4FA is offwhite fluffy powder, a very nice chemical indeed. One of the best for sex.

I am going to try it orally probably in a few days, but when snorted i feel a small rush of stimulation that after about 20 minutes turns into mdma style euphoria, and then a few hours later turns into my heart beating fast.

Pretty good for play, no good for work.
 
Can someone post their experience combining 4-fa with opiates, particularly heroin? I've mixed H and amphetamine before, with positive results.
 
ive never redosed on 4fa, unless it was a boost 30 minutes after i drop my oral dose of 160mg. 160 to me, feels like a light roll. i dont see the purpose of doing less than that for myself. if you want to be pruductive, get 2FMA. if you want to chill and just hang out, and have fun feeling great, 4FA is the way to go. -aphex
 
ive been experiencing some moderate lower back pain but more lateral on each side. i would ignore it if it was much like amphetamine but it is not. i hope its not my kidneys aye. my other skeletal muscles dont seem tense at all and ive been drinking plenty of water.

has anyone else noticed this with 4-FA usage?

my blood pressure also seems very low but i dont have a way to measure it. it is kind of nice actually, because after 3 years of suboxone and plenty more years of other drugs ive had some unpleasant tachycardia and an increased BP, or at least it feels like that anyway though it may just be oversensitivity.

Yeah i tend to get this with all amps but alot with 4-FA! I do drink alot while on 4-Fa (about 2-4l in 8h) but I still think this pain comes from the kidneys. It just fits the area and I cant get rid of the pain with methods that normaly work for my back pain (technics i learned at Physical therapy).
What kind of pain do you get? I have some kind of pulling, stretching pain that makes it hard to sit down (lying on my back seems best)
 
Its a dull ache, kind of like a pulled muscle but it feels different. I couldnt tell you for sure if its kidney pain but I'd imagine it is what it would feel like. It really seems to suck the water out of me, and like you said, ill walk around with a 2L jug I refill on campus every couple hours almost.

My mouth remains dry and sometimes I find myself have been sucking on my tongue for a half hour to an hour without realizing it. Then my girlfriend says my breath smells rancid. I better buy some chewing gum and listerine next time I dose.
 
N-Acetyl-Cysteine is an excellent anti-oxidant that aids in kidney function, that should solve the problem.
 
Can someone post their experience combining 4-fa with opiates, particularly heroin? I've mixed H and amphetamine before, with positive results.

Guess I'll answer my own question: no surprises. There's a mix of the two euphoria, and a dampening of the stimulant/depressant effects.
 
N-Acetyl-Cysteine is an excellent anti-oxidant that aids in kidney function, that should solve the problem.
what dosage would you recomend as a usefull one? I only know Acetylcysteine from coughmedicine... but heard that i helps with paracetamoloverdose - but thats the liver not the kidney. Thx for the Help though!
 
I've definitely experienced some kidney discomfort after using 4-FA on consecutive days or on an extended binge. The only real remedies are lots of H20, antioxidants and supplements that promote liver/kidney health, such as milk thistle or black walnut hull.

When using 4-FA, or any substance for that matter, I always take a whole food powder supplement that's chock full of sea greens, antioxidant blends, detox blends, pretty much everything your body could ever need but in a natural, whole food form. I won't post the name here so I don't violate vendor/sourcing rules, but I highly recommend it and can send the link to anyone who PM's me.
 
Has anyone tried 4-FA/Methylone Combo? How do you describe your experience and what should the dosage be for each substance? And would you pre-/post- load on the same supplements (5htp, magnesium, Vit C,etc) as you would with a normal roll sesh on MDMA?
 
Has anyone tried 4-FA/Methylone Combo? How do you describe your experience and what should the dosage be for each substance? And would you pre-/post- load on the same supplements (5htp, magnesium, Vit C,etc) as you would with a normal roll sesh on MDMA?

Here's my trip report from last month on this combo: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...g)-(4-FA)-300mg)-Magical-Night-then-Afterglow

It should be noted that I added Piracetam to the 4-FA/methylone combo, and I believe the 'racetam to be a large part of why my experience was so great. And to answer your question, yeah I pre/post-loaded exactly as I would if I had been taking MDMA: a potent whole food antioxidant powder, magnesium, Vitamin C, 5-HTP after and piracetam before and at the time of dosing.

I strongly recommend piracetam with methylone, it definitely smoothed out the whole experience and lengthened the best parts. Piracetam is completely legal in the US and dirt cheap compared to any RC, definitely a must-have for anyone interested in m1.
 
Here's my trip report from last month on this combo: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...g)-(4-FA)-300mg)-Magical-Night-then-Afterglow

It should be noted that I added Piracetam to the 4-FA/methylone combo, and I believe the 'racetam to be a large part of why my experience was so great. And to answer your question, yeah I pre/post-loaded exactly as I would if I had been taking MDMA: a potent whole food antioxidant powder, magnesium, Vitamin C, 5-HTP after and piracetam before and at the time of dosing.

I strongly recommend piracetam with methylone, it definitely smoothed out the whole experience and lengthened the best parts. Piracetam is completely legal in the US and dirt cheap compared to any RC, definitely a must-have for anyone interested in m1.

Thanks bud, appreciate the input...but why piracetam? I'm not very familiar with the drug or any 'racetams . And I see you're quite the advocate for it as a potentiator on several threads.
 
Honestly I'm pretty ignorant as to the brain science behind piracetam's mechanisms of action in the brain and it's role in potentiation, I've read a few articles & threads that explain it but my knowledge of chemistry is so limited that none of what I read stuck with me.

Subjectively, I've had some success with piracetam as part of a daily regime for about 8 months, I really like the mental clarity & fluidity it provides as well as boosted mental energy. My raving reviews of using piracetam with methylone may have such a rosy tint because the setting and experience surrounding my use of this combo was so amazing, but I really think it played a large role in smoothing the come-up for the methylong, extending the duration and minimizing the after effects/hangover.

Typically when coming up on a strong stimulant & serotonin releaser I get some slight anxiety or apprehension that fades after 15 minutes, but with piracetam the onset of effects was as smooth as silk and relaxing, not overwhelming at all. As for the hangover, by all rights I should have had at least some brain fatigue or apathy the next day, which I used to get pretty badly with MDMA. I think the piracetam was the main reason that the next morning was so pleasant during this experience.
 
hey, would just like to let you know that i appreciate you for bringing the attention of piracetam to me. i just wished i had found out about this substance sooner

ps. Do you use it on a daily basis for a nootropic regime?
 
well what do you conside a high dose of 4FA ? ive only done it orally, but about a dozen times a few weeks apart. i like to do 160 mg no matter what, thats my good dose, but sometimes drop another 100mg when im starting to feel it. thats the highest ive went, but ive never redosed or tied to keep it going. once its going, its going.
 
i only use orally too. i was using daily for a few weeks, at greater dosages than you specified.

i also noticed light-headed/dizzyness up in the high end... and once awful blue balls that lasted a day at least.

it definitely lingers a while; i still have, what feels like, vasoconstriction in the hands.
 
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