Hiltoniano
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Thats good news, i was wondering a lot honestly about the real subjective differences b/w 2-4 fa/ma
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Keep us informed yes, as you said, many different opinions on these, fake or true, it would be nice to finally get a proper feedback on these ! 
Just out of curiosity, do you need to observe a 6 week period between drops like on some other drugs ?
Just out of curiosity, do you need to observe a 6 week period between drops like on some other drugs ?
sconnie420
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How'd ur night turn out?
@flipping~ yes, plz keep us posted.. More information the better, esp. W/ rc's..
FlippingTop
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yeah I will do, the lack of info on these and comparisons is so annoying...
sconnie420
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Omg is it ever.. You know as much of an oxymoron it is I try and be a responsible drug user. They make it damn near impossible to get good information on some of these drugs.
adam west
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im confused as to some people taking a 100 mg dose and it lasting them and other people using lots more but reporting similar effects
Hiltoniano
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That can be attributed to both tolerance and quality differences between people.
TheUncreated
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what do y'all think as far as oral dosages as a study aid? I'm a big guy with big tolerance ![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
FlippingTop
Bluelighter
Do not use this (often) to study as it's a seratonin releaser, go for 2-f(m)a instead.
If you ignore me go for around 80mg.
If you ignore me go for around 80mg.
Hiltoniano
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So flipping, have you done enough research to develop any sort of qualitative comparison between the 2/4 f(m)a's?
Madrus
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How long after taking about 150mgs of 4-FA would it take for tolerance to completely reset?
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sighhill
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With that being said.....
First and foremost, different labs use different formulas, different lab equipment, along with different brands of product to make the actual compound. You would think that all formulas would be the same since a research chemical such as 4-Fa should be just that right? Just 4-Fa. I could be incorrect on this one but...You know how some suppliers will claim their chemicals to be 99.8% pure? (which most are no more than 96% I believe) Well you wonder what that other .2% is? Well most of the time it's a compound to bind and make the chemical what it is such as a powder. Some even have a different formula that includes more filler. Basically using a filler in the original making of the product prevents a shitty lab from cutting their material after it has already been cooked up so to speak. Adding the filler also makes the chemical look more consistant than it would if they were to add a cut later on. Some of the time it's also just impurities that makes the batch be less in purity. But then again, a filler is an impurity as well.
Another reason to have a different formula is for the effect. The people/labs that are making these "research" chemicals are not ignorant. They know that these chemicals are going to be ingested more than likely and that if their batch produces the better effects, then their lab will be making more money. The more people like to consume their prouct, the more they will sell. So there's a good chance, guys and gals, that the chemical you are ingesting, infact, is not the same chemical that you bought or that you thought you were ingesting. There's a chance the compound was made up the cheapest way possible in other to give one the effect of what you have been told that it should be giving you after taking it. This happened alot with 6-apb when it first came out. I'm not saying this is the case all the time, half the time nor even most of the time, I'm just saying...and unless you are taking all your rc;s to the lab for testing you really can't tell.
And believe it or not, this is even the case for a lot of the street drugs. That's why if you go say from Cali and are getting some good cocaine, and then go through the country finding other parts of the states cocaine supply, you will see it can vary potency and even appearance in a lot of places.
Ok, I have said this multiple times on this forum as well as other forums but for some reason I have yet to get tired of explainng it. So don't get me wrong, I'm not writing this in a "Oh damn, do I have to explain this AGAIN!" Nor am I\a chemist or know much on the subject of chemistry. The only reason I know this is because I've been in the RC game for a whole minue and always wondered the same thing but was too embrassed to ask. It actually took me quite some time to figure this out and I don't know why. It's actually should be kind of common sense. But I'm noto knocking anyone , because as I said...it took me a whole minute to figure it out too.
With that being said.....
First and foremost, different labs use different formulas, different lab equipment, along with different brands of product to make the actual compound. You would think that all formulas would be the same since a research chemical such as 4-Fa should be just that right? Just 4-Fa. I could be incorrect on this one but...You know how some suppliers will claim their chemicals to be 99.8% pure? (which most are no more than 96% I believe) Well you wonder what that other .2% is? Well most of the time it's a compound to bind and make the chemical what it is such as a powder. Some even have a different formula that includes more filler. Basically using a filler in the original making of the product prevents a shitty lab from cutting their material after it has already been cooked up so to speak. Adding the filler also makes the chemical look more consistant than it would if they were to add a cut later on. Some of the time it's also just impurities that makes the batch be less in purity. But then again, a filler is an impurity as well.
Another reason to have a different formula is for the effect. The people/labs that are making these "research" chemicals are not ignorant. They know that these chemicals are going to be ingested more than likely and that if their batch produces the better effects, then their lab will be making more money. The more people like to consume their prouct, the more they will sell. So there's a good chance, guys and gals, that the chemical you are ingesting, infact, is not the same chemical that you bought or that you thought you were ingesting. There's a chance the compound was made up the cheapest way possible in other to give one the effect of what you have been told that it should be giving you after taking it. This happened alot with 6-apb when it first came out. I'm not saying this is the case all the time, half the time nor even most of the time, I'm just saying...and unless you are taking all your rc;s to the lab for testing you really can't tell.
And believe it or not, this is even the case for a lot of the street drugs. That's why if you go say from Cali and are getting some good cocaine, and then go through the country finding other parts of the states cocaine supply, you will see it can vary potency and even appearance in a lot of places.
Unless you have been taking that dose regularly, it should take any longer than the time it takes to get out of your sysyem (2 to 4 days tops), if you live a pretty clean life style otherwise.
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0llusion
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First up apologies I've only scanned this thread will have a better look later. Are you suggesting there's not an advantage to plugging this?
I'm planning my first test orally, but this would be my next ROA unless I come across information to the contrary.
DexterMeth
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Ya, 4-FA is a lot more like a roll. 2-FMA is more like Adderall, but better imo.
uyillusion
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Any opinions on the difference between 2-FA and 4-FA?
I know 3-FA may cause problems with heart valves which is why im not considering trying it. 2-FA is something im interested in trying.
I know 3-FA may cause problems with heart valves which is why im not considering trying it. 2-FA is something im interested in trying.
DexterMeth
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3-FA is way too moreish for me. It reminds me of coke in many aspects. I don't like the buzz from it.
2-FA I have yet to try, but a couple people I know say they enjoy it for practical daily applications as all around "utility too" much like 2-FMA. 2-FA, from what I've gathered, is less abusable than 2-FMA, one of the reasons being (iirc), it has a ceiling limit dose, in which once you reach that, you are essentially wasting the compound.
2-FA I have yet to try, but a couple people I know say they enjoy it for practical daily applications as all around "utility too" much like 2-FMA. 2-FA, from what I've gathered, is less abusable than 2-FMA, one of the reasons being (iirc), it has a ceiling limit dose, in which once you reach that, you are essentially wasting the compound.
m060mm
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Took 4-FA last night, can't feel methamphetamine today.
I've always had the feeling that 4-FA was very strong in all respects. Never was I so surprised until this morning.
Last night:
10p ~100mg 4-FA
12a ~100 4-FA
3a ~100mg methylone
I kinda just IV them as a.. thing. It's a between tasks thing, like having a snack or checking your news outlet of choice.
I ended up not sleeping and that's when I got the meth hookup.
Today:
9a ~50mg meth ->nothing
10a ~50mg meth -> ok I'm noticing behavioral & perspective change, no overt high
11a ~50mg meth -> nothing
I have a pretty low tolerance to stimulants at the moment. The 4-FA/M1 thing above isn't common and those doses were kind of uncomfortable considering it's a rush then next to nothing.
Anyway, I feel the slow build of peripheral effects from the meth, so I know it's in there (everything above has been micron filtered and with crystalline substances they can actually get trapped if they're just too big, then they wear away by the flowing water of subsequent uses) but is 4-FA strong arming Tina away from work on my VMAT stuff? Is this the initial prototype for a full dopamine antagonist? I'm not really serious about the second part but now I'm thinking about the structure and receptor affinities.
I've always had the feeling that 4-FA was very strong in all respects. Never was I so surprised until this morning.
Last night:
10p ~100mg 4-FA
12a ~100 4-FA
3a ~100mg methylone
I kinda just IV them as a.. thing. It's a between tasks thing, like having a snack or checking your news outlet of choice.
I ended up not sleeping and that's when I got the meth hookup.
Today:
9a ~50mg meth ->nothing
10a ~50mg meth -> ok I'm noticing behavioral & perspective change, no overt high
11a ~50mg meth -> nothing
I have a pretty low tolerance to stimulants at the moment. The 4-FA/M1 thing above isn't common and those doses were kind of uncomfortable considering it's a rush then next to nothing.
Anyway, I feel the slow build of peripheral effects from the meth, so I know it's in there (everything above has been micron filtered and with crystalline substances they can actually get trapped if they're just too big, then they wear away by the flowing water of subsequent uses) but is 4-FA strong arming Tina away from work on my VMAT stuff? Is this the initial prototype for a full dopamine antagonist? I'm not really serious about the second part but now I'm thinking about the structure and receptor affinities.
m060mm
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Interesting that this has become the consensus. We all know we're unique in our reaction to drugs, but 2-FA has a very stubborn, conservative ceiling for me whereas 2-FMA can get me into full blown Get Rich Quick Tweaker mode. It's a low level mode but still.. impressive.
You know, if you start from the beginning of its popularity you'll see a lot of early adopters trying each and every para-halo in hopes of becoming superhuman before the rest of us.
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a few things I noticed about 4-FA:
1: It's easy to get distracted, probably due to the serotonin activity at higher dosage. Also it feels more fog headed at high dosage. At lower dosage it is easier to stay focused. (45-250mg have been tested)
2: Due to the long half-life the comedown is barley noticeable, provided you remember to eat and stay hydrated. Getting even a little sleep helps. Taking supplements before the comedown helps (5-htp, magnesium, b-complex, a good multi vitamin, etc.) 3:Euphoria starts to die down about 3-4.5hrs in. Annoying stimulation persists for a good few hours. Not recommended but taking ephedrine helps smooths this out, Low doses of alcohol helps also, buts its important to remember how much you are drinking.
4:I noticed anti-depressant/anxiolytic type effects up to 2-6 days after.(probably due to the long half life.)
5:It is a false positive on a normal dip stick test for amphetamine, but on a GC/MS, LC/MS (military) test it's a negative. I would guess normal amphetamine metabolites are passed through the urine but the fluorine bond stays put through the human metabolism.
6:As with normal amphetamine, increasing the PH of your stomach contents potentates 4-FA. 1000mg of calcium carbonate (Tums) doubled if not tripled the euphoria of a 180mg dosage. And obviously an empty stomach helps.
1: It's easy to get distracted, probably due to the serotonin activity at higher dosage. Also it feels more fog headed at high dosage. At lower dosage it is easier to stay focused. (45-250mg have been tested)
2: Due to the long half-life the comedown is barley noticeable, provided you remember to eat and stay hydrated. Getting even a little sleep helps. Taking supplements before the comedown helps (5-htp, magnesium, b-complex, a good multi vitamin, etc.) 3:Euphoria starts to die down about 3-4.5hrs in. Annoying stimulation persists for a good few hours. Not recommended but taking ephedrine helps smooths this out, Low doses of alcohol helps also, buts its important to remember how much you are drinking.
4:I noticed anti-depressant/anxiolytic type effects up to 2-6 days after.(probably due to the long half life.)
5:It is a false positive on a normal dip stick test for amphetamine, but on a GC/MS, LC/MS (military) test it's a negative. I would guess normal amphetamine metabolites are passed through the urine but the fluorine bond stays put through the human metabolism.
6:As with normal amphetamine, increasing the PH of your stomach contents potentates 4-FA. 1000mg of calcium carbonate (Tums) doubled if not tripled the euphoria of a 180mg dosage. And obviously an empty stomach helps.
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im not sure which i like better than the other, i like them both. i find 4 FA active orally around 150mg and 2fma around 70-90 for a good dose. 4fa is really smooth and more euphoric, and 2fma is just more steady and solid, but it kinda drops off around the 4 or 5 hour mark and your left with a stimulation that isnt quite as enjoyable. minor comedown. for me, 4fa seems alot easier on the body and it is more euphoric. i like to do a little 4mec with my 4FA but only when its disappearing on me. both are really clean and enjoyable. if i had to pick one or the other tho, i think id do 4fa. im waaay to distracted to stop and do a specific thing, but on 2fma i can focus like a laser beam and play a video game (call of duty) 8 hours with only smoke breaks. i like the fluoro amps alot.
im not sure which i like better than the other, i like them both. i find 4 FA active orally around 150mg and 2fma around 70-90 for a good dose. 4fa is really smooth and more euphoric, and 2fma is just more steady and solid, but it kinda drops off around the 4 or 5 hour mark and your left with a stimulation that isnt quite as enjoyable. minor comedown. for me, 4fa seems alot easier on the body and it is more euphoric. i like to do a little 4mec with my 4FA but only when its disappearing on me. both are really clean and enjoyable. if i had to pick one or the other tho, i think id do 4fa. im waaay to distracted to stop and do a specific thing, but on 2fma i can focus like a laser beam and play a video game (call of duty) 8 hours with only smoke breaks. i like the fluoro amps alot.
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