pharmakos
Bluelighter
after an allergy test of course
somewhere in 50mg-100mg is a good starting dose. i still rarely go over ~150mg.
somewhere in 50mg-100mg is a good starting dose. i still rarely go over ~150mg.
it is quite freaking active, orally. some things just dont work unless you use a certain ROA but this stuff....there is no need to IV it. i only mention that since that is the highest on the chain of ROAs. well, IM would be the same but with a slower onset. im glad many here seem to not have had a bad experience with it. however, with RCs, you really are playing with fire. you never know what the fuck it is. i would feel more comfortable buying street H than 4-fa from a vendor i did not know well. i guess the moral is know your vendor well....er something.
4-FA closer to E than M1? that's funny
Started researching 4-fa 2.5 weeks ago, started by ordering 1g and liked it enough to order 3g more which just arrived.
Used up the first gram over the course of thursday night to saturday evening, spread out over 6 large doses. No sleep thursday night, approximately 4 hrs on friday and saturday nights. The binge ended with intense tachycardia, dizziness, hyperthermia. All oral doses, havent tried snorting or plugging yet.
For the next 1.5 weeks i had trouble concentrating and remembering, slept a ton, and felt fuzzy, out of it, almost on auto pilot.
A friend on saturday took approximately 200mg in two doses while i had around 300mg between two doses. We sat in the car listening to dubstep for three hours straight barely speaking, but texting everyone we knew. Both of us found ourselves chewing on our lips constantly however, and when we tried to chew gum instead, we both ageeed it was too intense.
That being said i feel i pushed this compound far enough to know the limits.
1. My favorite drug. Somewhere right up the middle between MDMA and amphetamine/coke without nearly as many drawbacks. Clear headspace, slight visual enhancement, confidence, fairly strong tactile and auditory enhancement. Slow, smooth, mellow comedown, but sleep impossible within 8-10 hours.
2. Most effective dose 150-250mg, spaced 1-2 hours apart, but start small and be smart.
3. Lower doses are great for study/work/concentration. Feels like adderal under 75mg.
4. Not fiendish, but it is so pleasant i found myself wanting to constantly use it.
5. Contact high is incredible! Normal conversations are awesome, and the mood lift is dedinitely contageous.
6. Tolerance does develop immediately.
7. Take it easy, hydrate well, eat lots beforehand and leave at least a couple days between use and it is virtually a perfect drug.
The most annoying effect I get from 4-FA is jaw tension/urge to grind teeth. It's worse than ANY other stim I've tried and nothing seems to help.
Magnesium is your friend. Most notably the Chloride salt. One of the few (if not only) Magnesium salts that is both a) highly bioavailable and b) not a laxative. By far the best cure for jaw tension IME.Yeah, I find it worse than MDMA jaw tension by a longshot. Then to make matters worse 4-FA dries my mouth out to the point where my throat gets sore. Gotta keep drinking water!
What do you guys think is the best way to take this chem, all at once or smaller doses spaced apart?
There have been concerns raised about the possible side effects of the floluorine in 4-fa (skeletal warping), but it has been speculated that the body would be unable to break the fluorine free and the compound would be excreted chemically unchanged. Would there be a method of urine analysis that could confirm this?
Wondering if anyone has noticed potentially dangerous hypertensive effects from 4-FA? I know it stands to reason it could happen since its a stimulant.. but two different people now that I know have experienced severe reactions at doses ~150 mg. Confusion, stiff neck, *throbbing migraine*, constant vomiting. Very severe too. To me that sounds like possibly high blood pressure, but of course I dont know for sure.
What's interesting is that several other people enjoyed that much and more of the same batch. Interestingly, I've never researched if benzos affect blood pressure, but when taking xanax before dosing 4-fa, only typical vasoconstriction symptoms seem present. Certainly nothing like what I'm describing above.
Have other people seen these effects/ is it common?
Also do benzos help with high blood pressure from stimulant use?