Captain.Heroin
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I wouldn't use 4-MMC at all, to be honest. I certainly wouldn't use anything but oral as Shambles has suggested.
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morphene
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Is that what the kids are into these days?
drunken_etard
Bluelighter
Jeeze if its so toxic why are you IVing it?
I read your other post after....I guess you only experimented with it IV... I thought you were initially telling ppl to IV it.lol
Shambles
Bluelight Crew
I like to give everything a chance to prove it has some value. Meph failed every test. Oral was the closest to a pass - maybe a C or a C+ if I'm feeling generous. More likely a D- though. Definitely not an E.
Okay, we get it already--you hate mephedrone. You're so vehemently against it, it almost makes me wonder if you're not a coke or e dealer who's pissed off about losing so much business lately to it, rather than a supposedly unbiased moderator.
FutureFlash
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Bearing in mind that mandy is near impossible to get hold of in my area, and the coke is horrible..mephedrone is the only option, which is kinda annoying seeing as it's disgusting; maybe I only feel that way because i've done to much.
frozenorange
Bluelighter
Re: Mephedrone Toxicity etc
@Shambles -
While I respect your right to your opinion, your position as a moderator and your stated propensity for indulging in a variety of substances, I can't help detect an over-zealousness on your part when it comes to mephedrone. From comments such as "...is a shit buzz anyway - possibly its worst crime." it's quite obvious you don't like it. That said, it appears you've arrived at that opinion by experiencing it for yourself a few times, despite swearing others off of it numerous times. Where am I going with this? I'd just like to see some moderation(!) here - let's look at things from a broad perspective:
- hundreds of thousands of punters are using the stuff the world over
- reports in the press linking mephedrone to overdoses and death have been shown to be knee-jerk reactions from the tabloids (Gabi Price, torn scrotum etc)
- thus far, despite their best efforts, no-one has managed to top themselves yet on the stuff (and we're talking about some muppets who are overdoing it in a determined manner)
- thus far, reports of overdoses and hospitalisation appear to be linked to lower-grade/incompletely-synthesised batches (I'm speaking here of the 'smelly' and 'yellow' batches which have been referred to here on BL, as well as in early media reports from Scandanavia. However, if my point is off the mark, please correct me)
Now I'm not about to suggest that this new, untested research chem is anything near safe. But in SWIM's experience, when compared to stimulants such as methamphetamine or crack, mephedrone ranks fairly low in terms of toxicity. Bear in mind that in terms of dosage, it is half the strength per weight of MDMA, and roughly the same as that of amphetamine sulphate. (Please feel to correct me on these if I’m wrong)
Perhaps it's just SWIM's experiences which enable him to arrive at this conclusion: the quality of product may yet prove to be the determining factor when it comes to variable toxicity and the resultant hospitalisations. Although your comment "Purity is kinda irrelevant when dealing with a drug that is almost certainly quite seriously toxic in and of itself." seems to indicate that you believe that regardless of quality or purity, mephedrone should be relegated to the bin. That's an interesting perspective, considering that many other drugs discussed here have a proven track record in terms of being highly toxic at low doses (eg: DOB) and yet suffer nowhere near the amount of bad press accorded mephedrone by yourself.
Fair enough, but in SWIM's extensive experience with a wide range of stimulants over the past 20 years, mephedrone is no more toxic than cocaine or amphetamine sulphate. This shouldn't be construed as an endorsement for it to be taken liberally or by anyone, but merely as the opinion of SWIM who has taken the time to compare a variety of stimulants and arrive at a balanced view. Others may dispute this. That is their prerogative.
Thus far, SWIM's experiences have been overwhelmingly positive: taken in moderation (500mg over 12 hours) numerous times in a variety of settings, the result has been a clear-headed euphoria which is marked by a LACK of the anxiety and cardiac overstimulation so common with other stimulants. If anything, a sense of contentment has been observed, something strikingly at odds with the usual effects of amphetamine-class stimulants. Perhaps SWIM has been lucky enough to source the pure product. Equally, the outcomes described above may be attributed to a determined effort not to overdo it.
Regardless, there is not enough evidence yet to consign this new RC to the scrapheap as a sure-fire way to toxic doom quite yet. A cautionary tone should be exercised in the interests of harm reduction – by all means – but personal bias only clouds an issue that at this stage requires an even-handed approach.
@Shambles -
While I respect your right to your opinion, your position as a moderator and your stated propensity for indulging in a variety of substances, I can't help detect an over-zealousness on your part when it comes to mephedrone. From comments such as "...is a shit buzz anyway - possibly its worst crime." it's quite obvious you don't like it. That said, it appears you've arrived at that opinion by experiencing it for yourself a few times, despite swearing others off of it numerous times. Where am I going with this? I'd just like to see some moderation(!) here - let's look at things from a broad perspective:
- hundreds of thousands of punters are using the stuff the world over
- reports in the press linking mephedrone to overdoses and death have been shown to be knee-jerk reactions from the tabloids (Gabi Price, torn scrotum etc)
- thus far, despite their best efforts, no-one has managed to top themselves yet on the stuff (and we're talking about some muppets who are overdoing it in a determined manner)
- thus far, reports of overdoses and hospitalisation appear to be linked to lower-grade/incompletely-synthesised batches (I'm speaking here of the 'smelly' and 'yellow' batches which have been referred to here on BL, as well as in early media reports from Scandanavia. However, if my point is off the mark, please correct me)
Now I'm not about to suggest that this new, untested research chem is anything near safe. But in SWIM's experience, when compared to stimulants such as methamphetamine or crack, mephedrone ranks fairly low in terms of toxicity. Bear in mind that in terms of dosage, it is half the strength per weight of MDMA, and roughly the same as that of amphetamine sulphate. (Please feel to correct me on these if I’m wrong)
Perhaps it's just SWIM's experiences which enable him to arrive at this conclusion: the quality of product may yet prove to be the determining factor when it comes to variable toxicity and the resultant hospitalisations. Although your comment "Purity is kinda irrelevant when dealing with a drug that is almost certainly quite seriously toxic in and of itself." seems to indicate that you believe that regardless of quality or purity, mephedrone should be relegated to the bin. That's an interesting perspective, considering that many other drugs discussed here have a proven track record in terms of being highly toxic at low doses (eg: DOB) and yet suffer nowhere near the amount of bad press accorded mephedrone by yourself.
Fair enough, but in SWIM's extensive experience with a wide range of stimulants over the past 20 years, mephedrone is no more toxic than cocaine or amphetamine sulphate. This shouldn't be construed as an endorsement for it to be taken liberally or by anyone, but merely as the opinion of SWIM who has taken the time to compare a variety of stimulants and arrive at a balanced view. Others may dispute this. That is their prerogative.
Thus far, SWIM's experiences have been overwhelmingly positive: taken in moderation (500mg over 12 hours) numerous times in a variety of settings, the result has been a clear-headed euphoria which is marked by a LACK of the anxiety and cardiac overstimulation so common with other stimulants. If anything, a sense of contentment has been observed, something strikingly at odds with the usual effects of amphetamine-class stimulants. Perhaps SWIM has been lucky enough to source the pure product. Equally, the outcomes described above may be attributed to a determined effort not to overdo it.
Regardless, there is not enough evidence yet to consign this new RC to the scrapheap as a sure-fire way to toxic doom quite yet. A cautionary tone should be exercised in the interests of harm reduction – by all means – but personal bias only clouds an issue that at this stage requires an even-handed approach.
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Shambles
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Hi, Frozen - Welcome to both BL 
And welcome to the ongoing meph debate :D
You are quite right that I am a long way from being a clean living boy, my opinion of meph is not too high, that I give my opinions on it quite regularly and am often quite vociferous in the way I put them across. I would slightly dispute that I swear others off using it but that generally depends on the content and context of the post I'm responding to. I don't believe I have a "Just say no" approach but in response to the large numbers of members (frequently new to the site, the drug and often drugs in general) I try to point out that it's not quite the harmless wonderdrug that so many seem to think it is.
I make no bones about disliking it or that I find it a dull, vastly overrated and mostly unpleasant substance with far more negatives than positives. Many other members clearly do like it judging by the large number of gushing love letters to it all over the site. And also many for whom the honeymoon period is over and the messy separation and divorce is now setting in. We are all entitled to state out opinion and experience and no one is more important than the rest.
I do try to see the broader perspective and what I see are a lot of people taking vast quantities of a chemical they frequently know nothing about - even the name of it in many cases let alone anything else - with no idea of the possible risks. I point out there are some serious downsides (short term physical and mental issues, addiction etc), the growing weight of evidence (both subjective and objective) for it being toxic enough to be a real concern and point them in the direction of the relevant threads to make their own minds up.
Few specific responses:
"hundreds of thousands of punters are using the stuff the world over" - they are and the vast majority seem to be completely unaware of the potential dangers
"reports in the press linking mephedrone to overdoses and death have been shown to be knee-jerk reactions from the tabloids (Gabi Price, torn scrotum etc)" - I agree, have never claimed it has caused any confirmed deaths and frequently express my disgust at the shocking amount of misinformation the media puts forth.
"thus far, despite their best efforts, no-one has managed to top themselves yet on the stuff" - my understanding is that the concerns are mainly about cumulative, long term damage rather than acute toxicity.
"thus far, reports of overdoses and hospitalisation appear to be linked to lower-grade/incompletely-synthesised batches" - how could you possibly know that? I would be interested to hear more on this if you can provide some links to evidence that this is the case.
"But in SWIM's experience, when compared to stimulants such as methamphetamine or crack, mephedrone ranks fairly low in terms of toxicity." - again, how could your personal experience of a drug that has only existed for a couple of years know how toxic it is compared to any other drug? I say it's toxic and the evidence suggests that's most likely the case, quite how toxic is the unknown part.
"Bear in mind that in terms of dosage, it is half the strength per weight of MDMA, and roughly the same as that of amphetamine sulphate." - I don't know anybody who consumes multiple grams of MDMA or amphetamine on a daily or weekly basis but there are plenty of meph users who do. Besides, it's a rather arbitrary comparison, in my opinion. They are different drugs with different effects and levels of risk attached. The risks associated with the latter two are better understood and widely pointed out so at least people who use them are aware of the risk they are taking.
"...you believe that regardless of quality or purity, mephedrone should be relegated to the bin." - not quite. As far as I know the toxicity concerns are nothing to do with impurities (although they are obviously not a good thing either) but that mephedrone metabolises to form 4-methyl-ephedrine which is known to be a potent cardiotoxin - that is a fact not an opinion. Taking huge quantites on a regular basis (as so many do - especially those addicted) of a drug that the body converts to a chemical which causes serious heart damage is probably not a wise move and is something worth pointing out to those that don't know.
"many other drugs discussed here have a proven track record in terms of being highly toxic at low doses (eg: DOB) and yet suffer nowhere near the amount of bad press accorded mephedrone by yourself." - if DOB was being mass-marketed as a harmless fun drug and sold for next to nothing to anyone and everyone I would be pointing out its dangers at least as much. But its an obscure chemical used by few, widely disliked and its dangers are pointed out whenever its discussed.
"Regardless, there is not enough evidence yet to consign this new RC to the scrapheap as a sure-fire way to toxic doom quite yet." - I agree that it needs more research but would suggest it could also do with a lot less glorification too. Pointing out the risks it has to those who use it with no idea that there are any concerns at all isn't a bad thing either.
I hope that clarifies the reasons for pointing out the already known problems and the strongly suspected (with growing evidence to support) possible dangers of this drug. Anybody is free to put forward their opinions and evidence to the contrary too, of course. The one thing that everybody can agree on is that any drug with such a short history of use should be approached with caution and that more research is needed.
And welcome to the ongoing meph debate :D
You are quite right that I am a long way from being a clean living boy, my opinion of meph is not too high, that I give my opinions on it quite regularly and am often quite vociferous in the way I put them across. I would slightly dispute that I swear others off using it but that generally depends on the content and context of the post I'm responding to. I don't believe I have a "Just say no" approach but in response to the large numbers of members (frequently new to the site, the drug and often drugs in general) I try to point out that it's not quite the harmless wonderdrug that so many seem to think it is.
I make no bones about disliking it or that I find it a dull, vastly overrated and mostly unpleasant substance with far more negatives than positives. Many other members clearly do like it judging by the large number of gushing love letters to it all over the site. And also many for whom the honeymoon period is over and the messy separation and divorce is now setting in. We are all entitled to state out opinion and experience and no one is more important than the rest.
I do try to see the broader perspective and what I see are a lot of people taking vast quantities of a chemical they frequently know nothing about - even the name of it in many cases let alone anything else - with no idea of the possible risks. I point out there are some serious downsides (short term physical and mental issues, addiction etc), the growing weight of evidence (both subjective and objective) for it being toxic enough to be a real concern and point them in the direction of the relevant threads to make their own minds up.
Few specific responses:
"hundreds of thousands of punters are using the stuff the world over" - they are and the vast majority seem to be completely unaware of the potential dangers
"reports in the press linking mephedrone to overdoses and death have been shown to be knee-jerk reactions from the tabloids (Gabi Price, torn scrotum etc)" - I agree, have never claimed it has caused any confirmed deaths and frequently express my disgust at the shocking amount of misinformation the media puts forth.
"thus far, despite their best efforts, no-one has managed to top themselves yet on the stuff" - my understanding is that the concerns are mainly about cumulative, long term damage rather than acute toxicity.
"thus far, reports of overdoses and hospitalisation appear to be linked to lower-grade/incompletely-synthesised batches" - how could you possibly know that? I would be interested to hear more on this if you can provide some links to evidence that this is the case.
"But in SWIM's experience, when compared to stimulants such as methamphetamine or crack, mephedrone ranks fairly low in terms of toxicity." - again, how could your personal experience of a drug that has only existed for a couple of years know how toxic it is compared to any other drug? I say it's toxic and the evidence suggests that's most likely the case, quite how toxic is the unknown part.
"Bear in mind that in terms of dosage, it is half the strength per weight of MDMA, and roughly the same as that of amphetamine sulphate." - I don't know anybody who consumes multiple grams of MDMA or amphetamine on a daily or weekly basis but there are plenty of meph users who do. Besides, it's a rather arbitrary comparison, in my opinion. They are different drugs with different effects and levels of risk attached. The risks associated with the latter two are better understood and widely pointed out so at least people who use them are aware of the risk they are taking.
"...you believe that regardless of quality or purity, mephedrone should be relegated to the bin." - not quite. As far as I know the toxicity concerns are nothing to do with impurities (although they are obviously not a good thing either) but that mephedrone metabolises to form 4-methyl-ephedrine which is known to be a potent cardiotoxin - that is a fact not an opinion. Taking huge quantites on a regular basis (as so many do - especially those addicted) of a drug that the body converts to a chemical which causes serious heart damage is probably not a wise move and is something worth pointing out to those that don't know.
"many other drugs discussed here have a proven track record in terms of being highly toxic at low doses (eg: DOB) and yet suffer nowhere near the amount of bad press accorded mephedrone by yourself." - if DOB was being mass-marketed as a harmless fun drug and sold for next to nothing to anyone and everyone I would be pointing out its dangers at least as much. But its an obscure chemical used by few, widely disliked and its dangers are pointed out whenever its discussed.
"Regardless, there is not enough evidence yet to consign this new RC to the scrapheap as a sure-fire way to toxic doom quite yet." - I agree that it needs more research but would suggest it could also do with a lot less glorification too. Pointing out the risks it has to those who use it with no idea that there are any concerns at all isn't a bad thing either.
I hope that clarifies the reasons for pointing out the already known problems and the strongly suspected (with growing evidence to support) possible dangers of this drug. Anybody is free to put forward their opinions and evidence to the contrary too, of course. The one thing that everybody can agree on is that any drug with such a short history of use should be approached with caution and that more research is needed.
frozenorange
Bluelighter
Fair enough, and thanks for the response.
Just to clarify - I'm not in favour of anyone caning a substance which has yet to have a reliable body of evidence compiled, merely looking to hear balanced opinions on the matter. And while I take your point on the 4-methyl-ephedrine conversion, I'm loathe to relegate 4MMC to the drug dustbin until further substantiated evidence comes forth. Let's not forget the malign reports about ecstasy in days gone by which insisted that it gave you pinholes in the brain, was neurotoxic, turned you into a vegetable etc etc. That said, there's no doubting mephedrone's capacity for serious damage - especially when we consider the 'mass marketing' element, and the fact that those 'hundreds of thousands' of punters are for the most part making the leap of faith not on the basis of reliable research (or for that matter first-hand reports on sites and fora such as BL) but rather on the say-so of dealers and nutters who glibly ignore all warnings in pursuit of a few hours raving.
Christ, at this stage of the game I don't think I've ever seen a better argument for the regulation of 'illegal' drugs (or indeed these which sit outside current legislation) than the runaway success of mephedrone. And whilst my experiences have been positive, I have the benefit of years of caution built into my approach. The same cannot be said for your average teenager, who is being fed all the "it's OK cos it's 'legal'" bollocks from one direction, and isn't getting any balanced info from the other. That's a recipe for disaster, even more so when you consider (as you rightfully point out) the long-term effects. In a perfect world, the situation would have been dealt with by civic and medical organisations which are mandated to handle public health. The fact that we're nearing the level of use at which regrettable consequences are unavoidable would seem to suggest that the authorities tasked with regulating this kind of thing are more concerned with their public image than the health of the public they're supposed to be looking after. Of course, they'll step in when the first mephedrone death takes place and perform their usual 'told you so' dance, to the accompaniment of the standard witch hunt and vilification. No surprises there, then.
Just to clarify - I'm not in favour of anyone caning a substance which has yet to have a reliable body of evidence compiled, merely looking to hear balanced opinions on the matter. And while I take your point on the 4-methyl-ephedrine conversion, I'm loathe to relegate 4MMC to the drug dustbin until further substantiated evidence comes forth. Let's not forget the malign reports about ecstasy in days gone by which insisted that it gave you pinholes in the brain, was neurotoxic, turned you into a vegetable etc etc. That said, there's no doubting mephedrone's capacity for serious damage - especially when we consider the 'mass marketing' element, and the fact that those 'hundreds of thousands' of punters are for the most part making the leap of faith not on the basis of reliable research (or for that matter first-hand reports on sites and fora such as BL) but rather on the say-so of dealers and nutters who glibly ignore all warnings in pursuit of a few hours raving.
Christ, at this stage of the game I don't think I've ever seen a better argument for the regulation of 'illegal' drugs (or indeed these which sit outside current legislation) than the runaway success of mephedrone. And whilst my experiences have been positive, I have the benefit of years of caution built into my approach. The same cannot be said for your average teenager, who is being fed all the "it's OK cos it's 'legal'" bollocks from one direction, and isn't getting any balanced info from the other. That's a recipe for disaster, even more so when you consider (as you rightfully point out) the long-term effects. In a perfect world, the situation would have been dealt with by civic and medical organisations which are mandated to handle public health. The fact that we're nearing the level of use at which regrettable consequences are unavoidable would seem to suggest that the authorities tasked with regulating this kind of thing are more concerned with their public image than the health of the public they're supposed to be looking after. Of course, they'll step in when the first mephedrone death takes place and perform their usual 'told you so' dance, to the accompaniment of the standard witch hunt and vilification. No surprises there, then.
Throughtout August, September and October SWIM had huge mephedrone binge. SWIM's personal worst experience involved 17g to himself over 4 days awake. SWIM is actually not lying here.
SWIM then stopped the 1st November and was feeling positive with himself, he focused on school got into the extremely competive Imperial College University (to do chemisty haha!) and he was on track.
SWIM then broke up with his girlfriend and all of a sudden the addiction hit him, he managed to hold out for a week but was back on it again. The comdowns were unbarable for him, he was having panick attacks and lost about 5kg over a month. His main hobby was going to the gym and playing rugby, but he quit these and is now attempting to sort his head out again.
Please don't this drug if you are vunerable or sad, it did truly upsetting things to SWIM's life. These words are not lies, honestly. Have fun, but never use it to make you feel better when your depressed.
SWIM is trying to sort his head out again! Peace x
SWIM then stopped the 1st November and was feeling positive with himself, he focused on school got into the extremely competive Imperial College University (to do chemisty haha!) and he was on track.
SWIM then broke up with his girlfriend and all of a sudden the addiction hit him, he managed to hold out for a week but was back on it again. The comdowns were unbarable for him, he was having panick attacks and lost about 5kg over a month. His main hobby was going to the gym and playing rugby, but he quit these and is now attempting to sort his head out again.
Please don't this drug if you are vunerable or sad, it did truly upsetting things to SWIM's life. These words are not lies, honestly. Have fun, but never use it to make you feel better when your depressed.
SWIM is trying to sort his head out again! Peace x
frozenorange
Bluelighter
Holy crap, jbab121, '17g's over 4 days'??? Fucksake, that's asking for trouble.
SWIM and his wife came across the stuff on the net about a year ago, and have squirrelled a batch away for occasional use. They plan ahead, setting aside a specific date/event and 1g between them - the shit is fiendy, so the rest is kept under lock and key, far away from any possible impulsive redosing. Thus far, SWIM & co have only had meph at enjoyable house parties, trips to the country and the like. But then 500mg over the night seems positively tame, compared to some of the reports. SWIM can't really see the point in caning it on the stuff; after all, there's a diminishing return as far as the peak goes, so why chase that elusive buzz?
Take it easy out there folks, the data's yet to come in on this.
SWIM and his wife came across the stuff on the net about a year ago, and have squirrelled a batch away for occasional use. They plan ahead, setting aside a specific date/event and 1g between them - the shit is fiendy, so the rest is kept under lock and key, far away from any possible impulsive redosing. Thus far, SWIM & co have only had meph at enjoyable house parties, trips to the country and the like. But then 500mg over the night seems positively tame, compared to some of the reports. SWIM can't really see the point in caning it on the stuff; after all, there's a diminishing return as far as the peak goes, so why chase that elusive buzz?
Take it easy out there folks, the data's yet to come in on this.
lostreality
Bluelighter
Just giving my input on iv mephedrone since there isn't much on it. I enjoy it orally and snorted but use it less than once a month. Being a needle newbie may have affected my results (only iv'ed ketamine so far).
I first iv'ed 40mg I felt a warm comfort that felt how I imagined heroin would feel. This lasted less than 15 minutes. Two weeks later I tried 70 mgs with similar effects but slightly more stimulation. The mental urge to redose is very strong even worse than other ROA's.
Overall IMO it feels better than the other routes of ingestion with out as much speediness, but with its short duration and toxicity, I don't intend on iv'ing this again.
I first iv'ed 40mg I felt a warm comfort that felt how I imagined heroin would feel. This lasted less than 15 minutes. Two weeks later I tried 70 mgs with similar effects but slightly more stimulation. The mental urge to redose is very strong even worse than other ROA's.
Overall IMO it feels better than the other routes of ingestion with out as much speediness, but with its short duration and toxicity, I don't intend on iv'ing this again.
Junglesound
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My Personal Experience with Mephedrone comedowns, length of high etc.
My experience with mephedrone has varied depending on several different factors. I will briefly explain the euphoria, come down etc. as I've experienced it:
At the height of an mcat high, almost nothing in the world can feel better(say if youve just sniffed 50-100 mg). This will last between 20 mins to 2 hours depending on:
- whether you have been drinking alchohol
- how much mcat you hav taken previously within the sae night
- how much mcat you have taken in your life
- how recently your last mcat binge was
- how the state of your stomach is in general at that time.
On NYE I had 2.5 grams in one night, which is a lot btw. This was partly due to the fact that I had mixed circa 100g with water and drank it. Having drunk this I felt very sick and had, almost immediately that certain pain(a bit like indigestion) in my tummy which you normally only get at the end of a big night of mcat. In order to enjoy my nye and to avoid the sickness I sniffed line after line because when you are high the stomach pain is numbed, but of course the problem is that when the last line wheres off the stomach problem is MUCH worse. So it ended up as a vicious circle of taking more and more and feeling worse and worse. Now after nye I rested for a day and then went out saturday night to a nightclub. I brought a tiny tad of drone with me (50mg) and I took it all. I felt no high just the painful stomach that you normally get after taking loads and having had a great night. Stupidly I went out on Sunday night too and had some more, which immediately made me feel sick again. I stopped taking it after that until last night during which I had a good 1.5 grams with the renewed effect of getting an incredible high, feeling great and then having a comedown much later. Like everything should be. In general however the pleasure from taking it has declined since I first started(a couple months ago). One other recent problem I have had is that Ive had a bad cold which produces a lot of phlegm and snot ofc. This causes two VAST problems:
1) The snot means that if you sniff 40mg you only take in about 15, the rest is caught up in your snot and periodically gives you tiny unwanted highs over the next few days.
2) the phlegm meeans that when you sniff a line alot of it is swallowed in phlegm down your throat and as phlegm makes you feel sick the mcat doesnt help at all. This actually may seem minor but ime it really makes you wear out a LOT quicker.
The advantage of taking mephedrone is the unbelievable high yet, like with all drugs, there is a price to pay. In this case it is long come downs, sleeplessness, short-term stomach pain, and restlessness. One of the worst things about it imo is the fact that although you may be tired and try to get to sleep, or hungover or whatever, it still remains in your body and can make your body restless even though you want to sleep and your tummy may feel bad.
overall though, a very good drug. I am just highlighting the probelms
My experience with mephedrone has varied depending on several different factors. I will briefly explain the euphoria, come down etc. as I've experienced it:
At the height of an mcat high, almost nothing in the world can feel better(say if youve just sniffed 50-100 mg). This will last between 20 mins to 2 hours depending on:
- whether you have been drinking alchohol
- how much mcat you hav taken previously within the sae night
- how much mcat you have taken in your life
- how recently your last mcat binge was
- how the state of your stomach is in general at that time.
On NYE I had 2.5 grams in one night, which is a lot btw. This was partly due to the fact that I had mixed circa 100g with water and drank it. Having drunk this I felt very sick and had, almost immediately that certain pain(a bit like indigestion) in my tummy which you normally only get at the end of a big night of mcat. In order to enjoy my nye and to avoid the sickness I sniffed line after line because when you are high the stomach pain is numbed, but of course the problem is that when the last line wheres off the stomach problem is MUCH worse. So it ended up as a vicious circle of taking more and more and feeling worse and worse. Now after nye I rested for a day and then went out saturday night to a nightclub. I brought a tiny tad of drone with me (50mg) and I took it all. I felt no high just the painful stomach that you normally get after taking loads and having had a great night. Stupidly I went out on Sunday night too and had some more, which immediately made me feel sick again. I stopped taking it after that until last night during which I had a good 1.5 grams with the renewed effect of getting an incredible high, feeling great and then having a comedown much later. Like everything should be. In general however the pleasure from taking it has declined since I first started(a couple months ago). One other recent problem I have had is that Ive had a bad cold which produces a lot of phlegm and snot ofc. This causes two VAST problems:
1) The snot means that if you sniff 40mg you only take in about 15, the rest is caught up in your snot and periodically gives you tiny unwanted highs over the next few days.
2) the phlegm meeans that when you sniff a line alot of it is swallowed in phlegm down your throat and as phlegm makes you feel sick the mcat doesnt help at all. This actually may seem minor but ime it really makes you wear out a LOT quicker.
The advantage of taking mephedrone is the unbelievable high yet, like with all drugs, there is a price to pay. In this case it is long come downs, sleeplessness, short-term stomach pain, and restlessness. One of the worst things about it imo is the fact that although you may be tired and try to get to sleep, or hungover or whatever, it still remains in your body and can make your body restless even though you want to sleep and your tummy may feel bad.
overall though, a very good drug. I am just highlighting the probelms
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I know this is a long post but i like to try and be detailed. also im still kinda wired on the stuff so rather than chatting shit to the missus ( who got pissed off and fell asleep) im typing to you guys
ps- the reason i found this site was because im lying in bed now feeling pretty dodgy, heart beating kinda fast and whilst i wouldnt say struggleing to breath, im defintaly finding it kinda uncomfortable
my mates have been doin this for a while. i dont usally get on with class A type substances but have tried them. i usally just drink alcohol but after a few weeks of my mates geting wired i decided to try it
ok- I have had 4 experiences over about 6 weeks with slightly different experiences every time although, only the first experience was pure drone, the other times i drank alcohol aswell altho the drone kind of nulls the effects of alcohol
Im very strong willed and found it easy to give up smoking and am not really dependent on any drug ( except my ashtma inhaler) but even on the past few work nights i have had a slight craving for drone, almost looking forward to doing some
first time- 7pm
400mg splitt into about 4 lines throughout the night. the first line was harsher than anything ive ever snorted leaving my eyes watering, the rest were unpleasent but not overly harsh.
the high seems to set in pretty instantly, couple minets tops to kick in and compared to pills or speed is a pretty mellow levelish high with medium highs and not really any lows. it makes you feel awake and full of energy, but just the right amount for a laugh and a chat, not so much that you wanna go and rave out like a bellend or go on a random mission.
also i started gurning pretty badly although most people dont seem to gurn on it , although by my 4th experience it was more a slight chin wobble compared to trying to chew my own nose off
as long as you do reasonable lines you definatly feel like your in controll
on pills ( havnt tried mdma or cocaine which seem to be the usual comparisions so pills are my reference) i get a very intense long lasting high and have at times felt like Iwas too fucked with little i could do but wait it out. also experienced intense rushing sensations also on pills i get very high highs, followed by a low, take another pill,leading to another high leading up to the lowest of lows at the end of the session
This first Experience each line was getting me high for about 1.30 to 2 hours, with the the chatty over-confidence effects wearing off but still leaving a wired kind of feeling, not a sudden snap back to reality like ecstacy. its pretty cool to just chill out with a few mates. it makes you feel euphoric just be prepared to talk endless amounts of shite. im usally pretty quiet and reserved but on this i cant seem to shut my mouth, but where as on pills i would get a paranoid feeling that i was annoying people, on drone i didnt really feel any paranoia.
Bopped my last line at about 2am,with pretty much the same uplifting full of energy effect. Started to feel really tired by about 4am and kind of lost interest in anything anyone was saying and couldnt really get entertained by music or a DVD. it wasnt a depressed or comedowny feeling, but just a tired, really bored feeling . it was also at this point that a realised why my mates had been doing 72 hour benders on the stuff, and i had 2 choices- 1: snort another line get another buzz for a couple more hours and continue the cycle or 2: deal with this strange feeling of bordom and try and sleep. I chose the latter because it was my first time and i was wary of comedown.
I went to bed at 4am but was still wired and felt pretty restless and uncomfortable and didnt really get to sleep untill about 8am, slept for about an hour and then got up and went christmas shopping with the missus, and whilst feeling tired and abit spaced out had a pretty productive day. A trip to macdonalds also came in nicely. over the next couple days did get 2 feelings of very slight paranoia when by myself buying things from shops , a feeling i hadnt experienced since i gave up weed years ago and a feeling i thought was behind me.I recognised the feeling and it was easily overcome. to be honest it wasnt very noticible, but i only did a small amount of drone and also weed paranoia does set in slowly so it might be somin to watch out for.
Experience 2: 1.5G- rough guess, messy session.
this was on boxing day at around 6pm and i took drone combined with alcohol, lots of alcohol needless to say the level headed experimental approach of my first experience went out the window and it was drink after drink and line after line and most of the night was kind of a blur. i usally black out on excessive alcohol and from future experiences with drone id say it was definalty the alcohol that caused the amnesia.
what i do remember tho was the same level of confidence to say what ever was on my mind, to anyone at the party ,and just another pretty mellow chilled out vibe. bed at 7 again not really any sleep but just a kind of bleak couple of hours trying to rest and then got the bus home. spent that day in bed with my girlfriend pretty much napping, shagging and just dossing, and eating fast foods and take aways. cant really say i could have sex whilst on drone, but once it starts wearing off after 3 maybe 4 hours i was definatly in the mood. spent a few days staggnating in bed, but it wasnt like a harsh pill comedown where you would feel like a scum sucking bag of shit, depressed usally regretting and dwelling on the night before, - it was more like just a few days of absolutly no energy or motivation to get out of bed or do much of anything. Also had trouble falling and staying asleep, but with my girlfriend it was a good few days with a few films and we just chilled out.
third experience- 500mg- spread out in about 5 lines starting at about 7pm- another pretty responsible night with a few good mates a few beers and some drone.
pretty much same experince as the first time altho my tollerence had definatly increased with effects seeming weaker and the buzz not lasting as long. also not gurning as much as the before. took my last line at about 6am and was buzzing till about 8am and then the chatty feeling kind of started to wear off and i decided rather than do another line and add to my comedown, I'd call it a night.
i walked home and was home by about 8.15am and although very tired i thought rather than try and get to sleep like i had in the past that i would just wait it out untill i naturally just felt tired enough to sleep. I got into bed and watched a film, sex drive kicked in but as the girlfriend wasnt with me a couple hand shandys did the trick ( 4 during the course of the day, which is alot- normally average 1 a week ) spent that day in bed playing modern warfare 2 and watching films, feeling pretty rough but again more physically drained rather than emotionally depressed. and also spoke to an old friend and surviver of a couple 72hour 3g+ sessions advised me to try and eat somthing which is definatly a must when trying to recover from a drone binge.
fourth session- 7pm. 2.5G
although alot of drone consumed on this night, not much alcohol was so i can remember the whole night. this is also the session ( started last night, recovering from now) that i got absolutly hammered on the stuff. the effects differered slightly maybe becuase i had a cold, maybe because my tollerence levels had again increased but mainly because of the ammount consumed.
wasnt really feeling 100% when i got to the party. had had a cold for a couple of days and was pretty tired after going back to work after the christmas newyear period.
usally everyone has a stash of drone and we just all splash out lines to who ever wants one.Trying to be sensible and not wanting to get too smashed i made a plan to weigh myself up half a gram, and not splash out or recive any lines and keep my empty drinks bottles in 1 place so that i could keep track of what i was taking.
I snorted a line and the usual high feeling came although this time it was much weaker than usual. whilst i felt the usual high and ego boost,and the need to be constantly talking to people, that effect didnt seem to last as long and i didnt seem so have as much of an energy boost as before. Maybe it was becasue i wasnt feeling 100% because i had a cold or maybe it was because i was pretty tired at the start of the night. Either way within 30 mins i did another line and again, same lessoned effect. i was doing a line, getting chatty or buzzy for maybe 30 mins and then just chillin out untill my next line. it was still a good night, whilst i was expecting a night-long levelish high like before with a line when needed to perk me up, its was more of a line followed by a high, followed by a calm, another line and so on but still not any depressing lows or pill comedown feeling. the 0.5g plan was soon out the window and lines were goin back and forth as usual. pretty much spent the rest of the night like this untill about 9.30am when i got a lift home with my girlfriend and her mate. they came in and we just decided to carry on snorting. probably did 4 decent sized lines inbout 2.5 hours. i was fucked
normally i'd be buzzin chatting nonsence and whilst the subject matter might of been pretty random it still followed the usual structure of a sentace and i would be succesfully interacting with people.
That period had come to an end and i was now finding it hard to concentrate on anything. i was saying sentances out loud almost without thinking them, getting half way through and realising it was gibberish and mumbleing to myself. id then kinda get a grip and look at them and say somin like "im fucked i just gotta chill out" but then go off on one again my girl friend and her mate were both kinda fucked and just sorta giggleing and i was pratically talking to myself for about 40 mins. it just got kinda messy. i'd be sat lookin at my laptop screen not movin or doin anythin then after a while i would realise, remember what i was doin open a folder and then 10 mins later realise i was just staring at the screen again.
did my last line at about 1.30pm and now here i am feeling worse now, than when i started writing this post ( which has been a couple hours, did get side tracked tho)
I know the weather was pretty cold yesterday which might of contributed and i have never experienced billy willy on drone but this was the worst case in my life. it was litterally like being 12 again lol
right now heart feels like its acheing. Anxiety kicking in pretty badly, just spent the last few hours doing some research on drone. feel absolutly knackered but cant slill cant sleep.
Conclusion-
if you can enjoy a few lines responsably and occasionally it dosnt seem to bad, as long as you can stop at a few lines. maybe like 500mg tops. dont think im gonna do it again tho. If you cant resist the first line, you defo cant resist the second one.
ps- the reason i found this site was because im lying in bed now feeling pretty dodgy, heart beating kinda fast and whilst i wouldnt say struggleing to breath, im defintaly finding it kinda uncomfortable
my mates have been doin this for a while. i dont usally get on with class A type substances but have tried them. i usally just drink alcohol but after a few weeks of my mates geting wired i decided to try it
ok- I have had 4 experiences over about 6 weeks with slightly different experiences every time although, only the first experience was pure drone, the other times i drank alcohol aswell altho the drone kind of nulls the effects of alcohol
Im very strong willed and found it easy to give up smoking and am not really dependent on any drug ( except my ashtma inhaler) but even on the past few work nights i have had a slight craving for drone, almost looking forward to doing some
first time- 7pm
400mg splitt into about 4 lines throughout the night. the first line was harsher than anything ive ever snorted leaving my eyes watering, the rest were unpleasent but not overly harsh.
the high seems to set in pretty instantly, couple minets tops to kick in and compared to pills or speed is a pretty mellow levelish high with medium highs and not really any lows. it makes you feel awake and full of energy, but just the right amount for a laugh and a chat, not so much that you wanna go and rave out like a bellend or go on a random mission.
also i started gurning pretty badly although most people dont seem to gurn on it , although by my 4th experience it was more a slight chin wobble compared to trying to chew my own nose off
as long as you do reasonable lines you definatly feel like your in controll
on pills ( havnt tried mdma or cocaine which seem to be the usual comparisions so pills are my reference) i get a very intense long lasting high and have at times felt like Iwas too fucked with little i could do but wait it out. also experienced intense rushing sensations also on pills i get very high highs, followed by a low, take another pill,leading to another high leading up to the lowest of lows at the end of the session
This first Experience each line was getting me high for about 1.30 to 2 hours, with the the chatty over-confidence effects wearing off but still leaving a wired kind of feeling, not a sudden snap back to reality like ecstacy. its pretty cool to just chill out with a few mates. it makes you feel euphoric just be prepared to talk endless amounts of shite. im usally pretty quiet and reserved but on this i cant seem to shut my mouth, but where as on pills i would get a paranoid feeling that i was annoying people, on drone i didnt really feel any paranoia.
Bopped my last line at about 2am,with pretty much the same uplifting full of energy effect. Started to feel really tired by about 4am and kind of lost interest in anything anyone was saying and couldnt really get entertained by music or a DVD. it wasnt a depressed or comedowny feeling, but just a tired, really bored feeling . it was also at this point that a realised why my mates had been doing 72 hour benders on the stuff, and i had 2 choices- 1: snort another line get another buzz for a couple more hours and continue the cycle or 2: deal with this strange feeling of bordom and try and sleep. I chose the latter because it was my first time and i was wary of comedown.
I went to bed at 4am but was still wired and felt pretty restless and uncomfortable and didnt really get to sleep untill about 8am, slept for about an hour and then got up and went christmas shopping with the missus, and whilst feeling tired and abit spaced out had a pretty productive day. A trip to macdonalds also came in nicely. over the next couple days did get 2 feelings of very slight paranoia when by myself buying things from shops , a feeling i hadnt experienced since i gave up weed years ago and a feeling i thought was behind me.I recognised the feeling and it was easily overcome. to be honest it wasnt very noticible, but i only did a small amount of drone and also weed paranoia does set in slowly so it might be somin to watch out for.
Experience 2: 1.5G- rough guess, messy session.
this was on boxing day at around 6pm and i took drone combined with alcohol, lots of alcohol needless to say the level headed experimental approach of my first experience went out the window and it was drink after drink and line after line and most of the night was kind of a blur. i usally black out on excessive alcohol and from future experiences with drone id say it was definalty the alcohol that caused the amnesia.
what i do remember tho was the same level of confidence to say what ever was on my mind, to anyone at the party ,and just another pretty mellow chilled out vibe. bed at 7 again not really any sleep but just a kind of bleak couple of hours trying to rest and then got the bus home. spent that day in bed with my girlfriend pretty much napping, shagging and just dossing, and eating fast foods and take aways. cant really say i could have sex whilst on drone, but once it starts wearing off after 3 maybe 4 hours i was definatly in the mood. spent a few days staggnating in bed, but it wasnt like a harsh pill comedown where you would feel like a scum sucking bag of shit, depressed usally regretting and dwelling on the night before, - it was more like just a few days of absolutly no energy or motivation to get out of bed or do much of anything. Also had trouble falling and staying asleep, but with my girlfriend it was a good few days with a few films and we just chilled out.
third experience- 500mg- spread out in about 5 lines starting at about 7pm- another pretty responsible night with a few good mates a few beers and some drone.
pretty much same experince as the first time altho my tollerence had definatly increased with effects seeming weaker and the buzz not lasting as long. also not gurning as much as the before. took my last line at about 6am and was buzzing till about 8am and then the chatty feeling kind of started to wear off and i decided rather than do another line and add to my comedown, I'd call it a night.
i walked home and was home by about 8.15am and although very tired i thought rather than try and get to sleep like i had in the past that i would just wait it out untill i naturally just felt tired enough to sleep. I got into bed and watched a film, sex drive kicked in but as the girlfriend wasnt with me a couple hand shandys did the trick ( 4 during the course of the day, which is alot- normally average 1 a week ) spent that day in bed playing modern warfare 2 and watching films, feeling pretty rough but again more physically drained rather than emotionally depressed. and also spoke to an old friend and surviver of a couple 72hour 3g+ sessions advised me to try and eat somthing which is definatly a must when trying to recover from a drone binge.
fourth session- 7pm. 2.5G
although alot of drone consumed on this night, not much alcohol was so i can remember the whole night. this is also the session ( started last night, recovering from now) that i got absolutly hammered on the stuff. the effects differered slightly maybe becuase i had a cold, maybe because my tollerence levels had again increased but mainly because of the ammount consumed.
wasnt really feeling 100% when i got to the party. had had a cold for a couple of days and was pretty tired after going back to work after the christmas newyear period.
usally everyone has a stash of drone and we just all splash out lines to who ever wants one.Trying to be sensible and not wanting to get too smashed i made a plan to weigh myself up half a gram, and not splash out or recive any lines and keep my empty drinks bottles in 1 place so that i could keep track of what i was taking.
I snorted a line and the usual high feeling came although this time it was much weaker than usual. whilst i felt the usual high and ego boost,and the need to be constantly talking to people, that effect didnt seem to last as long and i didnt seem so have as much of an energy boost as before. Maybe it was becasue i wasnt feeling 100% because i had a cold or maybe it was because i was pretty tired at the start of the night. Either way within 30 mins i did another line and again, same lessoned effect. i was doing a line, getting chatty or buzzy for maybe 30 mins and then just chillin out untill my next line. it was still a good night, whilst i was expecting a night-long levelish high like before with a line when needed to perk me up, its was more of a line followed by a high, followed by a calm, another line and so on but still not any depressing lows or pill comedown feeling. the 0.5g plan was soon out the window and lines were goin back and forth as usual. pretty much spent the rest of the night like this untill about 9.30am when i got a lift home with my girlfriend and her mate. they came in and we just decided to carry on snorting. probably did 4 decent sized lines inbout 2.5 hours. i was fucked
normally i'd be buzzin chatting nonsence and whilst the subject matter might of been pretty random it still followed the usual structure of a sentace and i would be succesfully interacting with people.
That period had come to an end and i was now finding it hard to concentrate on anything. i was saying sentances out loud almost without thinking them, getting half way through and realising it was gibberish and mumbleing to myself. id then kinda get a grip and look at them and say somin like "im fucked i just gotta chill out" but then go off on one again my girl friend and her mate were both kinda fucked and just sorta giggleing and i was pratically talking to myself for about 40 mins. it just got kinda messy. i'd be sat lookin at my laptop screen not movin or doin anythin then after a while i would realise, remember what i was doin open a folder and then 10 mins later realise i was just staring at the screen again.
did my last line at about 1.30pm and now here i am feeling worse now, than when i started writing this post ( which has been a couple hours, did get side tracked tho)
I know the weather was pretty cold yesterday which might of contributed and i have never experienced billy willy on drone but this was the worst case in my life. it was litterally like being 12 again lol
right now heart feels like its acheing. Anxiety kicking in pretty badly, just spent the last few hours doing some research on drone. feel absolutly knackered but cant slill cant sleep.
Conclusion-
if you can enjoy a few lines responsably and occasionally it dosnt seem to bad, as long as you can stop at a few lines. maybe like 500mg tops. dont think im gonna do it again tho. If you cant resist the first line, you defo cant resist the second one.
Shambles
Bluelight Crew
Now that's a mephelated post if ever I saw one - still feeling it by any chance? 
Final Konflict
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Was when i wrote most of that lol. now just feelin pretty ming
nudecricket
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Tolerance
Really interesting stuff, im new to the thread and its good to hear what other people are doing. I think one of the worst issues with mep is the tolerance you build up. when we first started doing it we were doing little nose bumps and being on flying form for hours. We had discovered the wonder drug. But at this stage im dishing out massive big multiple lines to even get started. Dread to think what it really is!
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Really interesting stuff, im new to the thread and its good to hear what other people are doing. I think one of the worst issues with mep is the tolerance you build up. when we first started doing it we were doing little nose bumps and being on flying form for hours. We had discovered the wonder drug. But at this stage im dishing out massive big multiple lines to even get started. Dread to think what it really is!
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After effects
Be very careful with this drug. After having said I would never take it again ... I did.
I was going to take half a gram, but ended up taking all I had, two grams, in one session. That was eight weeks ago ... I still have tightness in my chest and pins and needles in my right foot, right hand and the right side of my face ... it's only just beginning to fade. This is worrying as I assume it's "vascular constriction". I can't believe I might have done damage to my heart by taking so much in one night ...
If I ever take it again ... I haven't touched any drugs while these symptoms last, and I won't until I feel completely normal again ... but if I ever take it again ... I shall measure out less than half a gram and the rest goes in the car which I shall park miles away. I can't trust myself on this drug.
Be very careful with this drug. After having said I would never take it again ... I did.
I was going to take half a gram, but ended up taking all I had, two grams, in one session. That was eight weeks ago ... I still have tightness in my chest and pins and needles in my right foot, right hand and the right side of my face ... it's only just beginning to fade. This is worrying as I assume it's "vascular constriction". I can't believe I might have done damage to my heart by taking so much in one night ...
If I ever take it again ... I haven't touched any drugs while these symptoms last, and I won't until I feel completely normal again ... but if I ever take it again ... I shall measure out less than half a gram and the rest goes in the car which I shall park miles away. I can't trust myself on this drug.
HeyBaberiba
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The quality of the circulating mephedrone can't even compare to the earlier versions (around a year ago). I can't understand how so many people can call it good, my guess is that you never got the chance to try the meph that was around approx. a year ago.
Shambles
Bluelight Crew
^ Most seem to think that's the other way around - quality has been steadily improving over the last year or so. There's always been a fair bit of variability in quality from seriously nasty up to apparently amazing. The purity percentages vendors chuck about are always to be taken with a big pinch of salt but most folks seem to think it's as good as it's ever been if not better at the moment. Less of the really nasty stuff around anyway.
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