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Big & Dandy 5-IAI Thread (Part 2)

Just to follow up: now at +60 minutes after taking 200mg. No effects worth writing home about - everything that's been noticed (heat, pupil dilation, etc) have been mentioned.

Not at baseline yet but definitely not above a +0.5.

Chilli, Eastenders and bed for me - hopefully sleep, too.

Al
 
Perhaps nuke was right that you also need 5HT agonism to get MDMA's magic, i will bioassay with some 2CD (a few hours in) this weekend.
 
Mine arrived today. Tan powder as everyone else has said. Clumpy, slightly damp possibly. Looks like a darker MDPV although doesn't smell the same. Scales measure to ±10mg, calibrated 6 months ago, so no guarantees of accuracy but this report shouldn't be far off. Mine also came from a website talking about how they finally had good 5-IAI, and which posted a scan of a (100MHz?) NMR report which they say backed up the fact it's 5-IAI. No reason to doubt the seller's trustworthiness above any others, and the package arrived promptly and well-packed with a printed label on the sample's bag saying what the contents were.

5mg oral in water: no effects at 15, 30, 45, 60 or 90 minutes. Baseline throughout.

10mg oral in water: again, no effects at 15, 30, 45, 60 or 90 minutes. Baseline throughout.

50mg oral in water: possibly a slight increase in body temp at 30 mins, head felt slightly fuzzy-edged, and this was pretty much it. Effectively baseline throughout, again.

120mg oral in water: slight alerts at 30 minutes (i.e. slight fuzzy head, slight temperature increase), blood pressure constant at 135/70 at 30, 60 and 90 minutes, pulse normal - 60-70bpm, possibly a tiny amount of pupil dilation but nothing to write home about. No other noticeable effects - no more than a +1 if that. Felt like I was back at baseline within 90 minutes.

200mg oral in water: slight alerts at 30 minutes again; headspace is again fuzzy. Body temp is again slightly elevated, and appetite is slightly diminished. Currently at the +45 minutes mark with noticeable pupil dilation, slight increase in the sensation of how warm my forearms are, and a slight softening of the sensation of touch. Am not expecting anything much positive from this. Hopefully there won't be too much if any of the insomnia reported by other users. Again, no more than a +1 by my (non-scientific) reckoning.

May try 300mg tomorrow.

:(

That's pretty astoundingly terrible. Maybe Nichols was screwing with us? According to the IC50 from the report, it should be twice as potent as MDMA.

EDIT: Call me crazy, but I'd like to rule out first-pass metabolism. Someone titrate from 5 milligrams up to 50 sublingual, maybe? Snorting sounds like a plain terrible idea, fwiw.
 
Deckmunki, nice detailed report and titrating up like that is surely the safe and sensible way to go.
But I wonder if by working your way up throughout the same day is making it difficult to judge effects.

I know with some chems I have to get a good hit from the initial dose because if I take an underwhelming dose first taking a larger dose later does not have much effect.

The marquis test is at least encouraging indicating the presence of MDMA, MDEA or MDA.
It may only need a larger dose to feel anything.
If 450mg is mild then this will work out to be an expensive chemical.
 
Deckmunki, nice detailed report and titrating up like that is surely the safe and sensible way to go.
But I wonder if by working your way up throughout the same day is making it difficult to judge effects.

I know with some chems I have to get a good hit from the initial dose because if I take an underwhelming dose first taking a larger dose later does not have much effect.

The marquis test is at least encouraging indicating the presence of MDMA, MDEA or MDA.
It may only need a larger dose to feel anything.
If 450mg is mild then this will work out to be an expensive chemical.


Well I've got 1g of it to eat this weekend. I tried 10mg this morning as an allergy test, and actually felt a little bit lightheaded for an hour! (placebo?). Will do 50mg and 100mg and maybe 200mg tonight... . and then depending on what happens try 400 or 600mg at once tomorrow or Sun. Hope it does something!
 
That's pretty astoundingly terrible. Maybe Nichols was screwing with us? According to the IC50 from the report, it should be twice as potent as MDMA.

EDIT: Call me crazy, but I'd like to rule out first-pass metabolism. Someone titrate from 5 milligrams up to 50 sublingual, maybe? Snorting sounds like a plain terrible idea, fwiw.

Since I am 100% certain that my sample is from the same source, I'm volunteering to give this a try. Currently on allergy test, I'll try sublingual or maybe plugging from tomorrow onwards using a slow titration.

Incidentally, my sub-milligram allergy quantity today tasted nearly identical to MDAI - I've done a fair amount of that sublingually recently, so I know the taste pretty well. Maybe the aminoindanes all taste the same?
 
Right, I have some interesting (ie more positive!) updates to report. I will update my original post if I can but, in short, at +120 minutes the physiological effects were much more MDMA-like - significant muscle tension throughout body, heat, and a 'stoned' feeling - very serotonergic I guess? Very dilated pupils, quite talkative, but still capable of sleep from +4 hours to +9 hours.

There wasn't, however, very much of a positive mental aspect to the substance; no noticeable empathy or positive emotional shift, although that could well be - as mentioned - a result of titrating up from a small initial dose over many hours.

I was back at baseline - ie no body load or stimulation - at the +13 hours mark, but at +20 hours I drank a Martini (not my idea!) and am pretty certain I'm feeling effects again: pupil dilation, considerably more energy, and a noticeable lift in mood despite my tiredness after a day at work.

I need to take a week's break from everything with lots of rest before trying again. I'll take 200mg most likely with no top-up and nothing in combination, apart from vit C and chelates magnesium to offset the muscle tension, and will report back.

In short, this definitely shows physiological similarities to MDMA and definitely doesn't have the same abuse potential of Mephedrone as the half-life might well be very long indeed, but I'm going to reserve any kind of judgement as to whether it has recreational potential until I can make a more objective assessment.

All the best,

Al
 
Ps Glasscage: yes, MDAT tasted saccharine-sweet as did this substance, but their physical appearance and effects are very different. MDAT was a truly horrible experience I never wish to repeat - just made me feel sickeningly stoned for upwards of 12 hours. Yuk.
 
Last note before bed: I'm still showing significant stimulant effects at +25 hours - dilated pupils, some muscle tension (especially in my legs), heat and very decreased appetite.

I suspect this will be uncomfortably long-lasting at high-enough doses for any possible euphoria, but like I said earlier, it could well be that any euphoric effects were muted because I started low and increased the dose.

Jury's still out, but at least it's not inert...!
 
So basically it's over hyped!! Ok thing but not "all that"

I've tried a load of samples, i'm sure some fake and hopefullly some real and none have been "all that" ;-(
 
Ive just ingested 400mg, well see.

Also on GBL atm, and will try to augment with some 2CD later on to see wheter nuke is right about the serotonin agonism.
 
Bleh, this stuff is like a good version of MDAI, it gives some high but its pretty boring, not enough stimulation, wish i had some amp atm.
 
^^ have you had M1, how would you compare the two if you have? I supposedly have a sample coming (haven't received it yet) but if it lacks stimulation, I'm down to take it.
 
Whaha, snorted a few lines of ket, some GBL a some sprankles of 5-IAI, its a pretty decent high, but seeds more stimulation, whaha i'm guessing with M1 would be excellent.

M1 is better imo, as its more stimulation, i want stimulation whaha
 
M1 doesn't really stimulate me... I don't get why everyone else says its so stimulating. MDMA is much more stimulating than M1 for me...
 
Ok, woke up this morning at the +36 hour mark. No residual stimulation - I'm completely back to baseline, and a little bit tired-feeling. Slept like the dead last night (in a good way).
 
M1 wasn't very nice, certainly no euphoria or other positive mental effects. Physical stimulation and enough body load to stop me sleeping lasted for 12 hours from a 150-200mg (approx) dose.

Massive fail =o)
 
M1 wasn't very nice, certainly no euphoria or other positive mental effects. Physical stimulation and enough body load to stop me sleeping lasted for 12 hours from a 150-200mg (approx) dose.

Massive fail =o)

Your problem is the (approx) - I was eyeballing methylone for a few days and was like "this shit is bunk" then I actually scaled it and realized what I thought was like 100-150mg was actually 40... with this stuff, its impossible to eyeball just like 2C-E... looks like a LOT more than it actually is... I couldn't have put my 201mg dose in a 0 size capsule... it wouldn't fit.
 
I'm gonna plug 480 ish mg soon, shame there is no stimulation, cos I love stim with my euphoria.
I have some 5-MeO-DALT, I could smoke 10mg of that for some stimulation.

Any reason they should not be mixed? Preferably let me know within the hour :)
 
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