The 5-IAI Thread

[Solipsis]

It really doesn't sound very good.

I have a sample of it laying here that I still need to try and get to the test centre. First I need to know what kind of analysis they are capable of and I am pretty sure they have no reference sample for 5-IAI.
It sucks, even though these drugs are scarcely used right now I feel they should collect reference samples like this. But 6-APB especially, there is a fair chance the hype will blow over the channel at some point.

 

[coast]

On the front page of one vendor there is a NMR scan result posted with some written details.

I got my tan sample this morning. Very well packaged, recorded delivery (although posty just shoves it through the letter box without getting a signature).
Unlike my 6-apb pellet in July from another place that was crushed in transit and badly packaged.

I would have thought there were more trip reports from this latest batch as quite a few samples went out.

If anyone knows of more trip reports please let me know.

 

[k.kat]

On the front page of one vendor there is a NMR scan result posted with some written details.

I got my tan sample this morning. Very well packaged, recorded delivery (although posty just shoves it through the letter box without getting a signature).
Unlike my 6-apb pellet in July from another place that was crushed in transit and badly packaged.

I would have thought there were more trip reports from this latest batch as quite a few samples went out.

If anyone knows of more trip reports please let me know.

mine was well packaged too but i had to sign for it,
i also thought there would be trip reports by now too
maybe everyone is saving it until weekend or maybe
they are still sleeping after being stimulated all day/night,

 

[Ben So Furry]

mine was well packaged too but i had to sign for it,
i also thought there would be trip reports by now too
maybe everyone is saving it until weekend or maybe
they are still sleeping after being stimulated all day/night,

Or maybe no-one feels they have gotten anything interesting or worthwhile to put into a report:

+1hr nothing really,
+2hr watched Eastenders on telly, yawn etc.

I'm really interested in finding out if people think 500mg is really enough to get this going or if the folk who have tried this think that's 'it'. Just an underwhelming chem that never really lived up to it's theoretical promise.

 

[k.kat]

Or maybe no-one feels they have gotten anything interesting or worthwhile to put into a report:

+1hr nothing really,
+2hr watched Eastenders on telly, yawn etc.

I'm really interested in finding out if people think 500mg is really enough to get this going or if the folk who have tried this think that's 'it'. Just an underwhelming chem that never really lived up to it's theoretical promise.

you probably right, but you would still think people would report good or bad,
but it is looking like another disappointing chem. just by the few who have posted,
what ROA did you take & dosages, was your tan,

 

[coast]

Yeah maybe some more reports over the weekend. Not looking promising so far though.
Shame really been waiting along time for this and it was talked about substituting for MDMA in rats.

Mine is a tan powder, just allergy tested a couple of mg. Have about 470 mg left.
Marquis reagent turned it brown/purple turning to dark purple/black.

Ben did you take 500mg in one go? Might be worth plugging it if it's so weak.

 

[Ben So Furry]

I was saving mine for the weekend and yes the 500mg sample I received was a tan colour. I'll try and put together a report after the weekend, I was planning on plugging 250mg but after reading this and chatting to a friend who dropped 300mg to no great effect I will plug it all (500mg).

I was waiting to see what people felt about it and if any negative side effects made themselves apparent before trying. Judging by what Xamkou said there can't be much if any to note. I'll see Friday night.

 

[J-R]

i recieved mine. its a very fine tan powder. does look like smack as someone referenced earlier. no particular odour. chemical taste on the tongue but not too strong. snorted a small small amount and it felt ok but pain came on presumably as the chem absorbed into me. wasnt too bad but as i said it was only a small line, can imagine more being worse and it also cause serious runny nose. im yet to take a decent sized messured dose but the 2 small eyeballed doses i took last night about 3 hours apart were mild in effect if any at all.

 

[robyorks]

To those who requested clarification, the 6-apb capsules are the real thing, i give my opinion to a vendor on new products and i initially tried one pellet and one 150mg capsule on consecutive days about 3 weeks ago. The vendor recently got in his main batch of powder and asked my opinion on dosage and effects. Between him and myself we agreed that for a serious night out, 2x150mg was about right as long as you timed them right and he has just this past few days upped the amount in capsules on general sale from 100 to 150mg. As far as I'm concerned 6-apb is the only thing out there worth buying on the legal side of things since the bans. And i include AMT in that, based on the batch i have tried.
Rob

Edit: and to those who asked, i haven't had any after effects from the 5-iai and certainly no come down, given the lack of tangible come-up!

 

[JJ-180]

Apart from the fact that your "experiment" is flawed, and deeply so, you do not need 150 mg of 6-apb if it is "real". I have 5-iai to try tomorrow. Perhars I will share your disappointment on Saturday morning.

 

[deckmunki]

Mine arrived today. Tan powder as everyone else has said. Clumpy, slightly damp possibly. Looks like a darker MDPV although doesn't smell the same. Scales measure to ±10mg, calibrated 6 months ago, so no guarantees of accuracy but this report shouldn't be far off. Mine also came from a website talking about how they finally had good 5-IAI, and which posted a scan of a (100MHz?) NMR report which they say backed up the fact it's 5-IAI. No reason to doubt the seller's trustworthiness above any others, and the package arrived promptly and well-packed with a printed label on the sample's bag saying what the contents were.

5mg oral in water: no effects at 15, 30, 45, 60 or 90 minutes. Baseline throughout.

10mg oral in water: again, no effects at 15, 30, 45, 60 or 90 minutes. Baseline throughout.

50mg oral in water: possibly a slight increase in body temp at 30 mins, head felt slightly fuzzy-edged, and this was pretty much it. Effectively baseline throughout, again.

120mg oral in water: slight alerts at 30 minutes (i.e. slight fuzzy head, slight temperature increase), blood pressure constant at 135/70 at 30, 60 and 90 minutes, pulse normal - 60-70bpm, possibly a tiny amount of pupil dilation but nothing to write home about. No other noticeable effects - no more than a +1 if that. Felt like I was back at baseline within 90 minutes.

200mg oral in water: slight alerts at 30 minutes again; headspace is again fuzzy. Body temp is again slightly elevated, and appetite is slightly diminished. Currently at the +45 minutes mark with noticeable pupil dilation, slight increase in the sensation of how warm my forearms are, and a slight softening of the sensation of touch. Am not expecting anything much positive from this. Hopefully there won't be too much if any of the insomnia reported by other users. Again, no more than a +1 by my (non-scientific) reckoning.

May try 300mg tomorrow.

**** Update ****

Just as I had given up on this sample, this happened (re-posted from below):

Right, I have some interesting (ie more positive!) updates to report. I will update my original post if I can but, in short, at +120 minutes the physiological effects were much more MDMA-like - significant muscle tension throughout body, heat, and a 'stoned' feeling - very serotonergic I guess? Very dilated pupils, quite talkative, but still capable of sleep from +4 hours to +9 hours.

There wasn't, however, very much of a positive mental aspect to the substance; no noticeable empathy or positive emotional shift, although that could well be - as mentioned - a result of titrating up from a small initial dose over many hours.

I was back at baseline - ie no body load or stimulation - at the +13 hours mark, but at +20 hours I drank a Martini (not my idea!) and am pretty certain I'm feeling effects again: pupil dilation, considerably more energy, and a noticeable lift in mood despite my tiredness after a day at work.

+25 hours: Last note before bed: I'm still showing significant stimulant effects at +25 hours - dilated pupils, some muscle tension (especially in my legs), heat and very decreased appetite.

I suspect this will be uncomfortably long-lasting at high-enough doses for any possible euphoria, but like I said earlier, it could well be that any euphoric effects were muted because I started low and increased the dose.

Jury's still out, but at least it's not inert...!

+36 hours: Ok, woke up this morning at the +36 hour mark. No residual stimulation - I'm completely back to baseline, and a little bit tired-feeling. Slept like the dead last night (in a good way).

***

I need to take a week's break from everything with lots of rest before trying again. I'll take 200mg most likely with no top-up and nothing in combination, apart from vit C and chelates magnesium to offset the muscle tension, and will report back.

In short, this definitely shows physiological similarities to MDMA and definitely doesn't have the same abuse potential of Mephedrone as the half-life might well be very long indeed, but I'm going to reserve any kind of judgement as to whether it has recreational potential until I can make a more objective assessment.

All the best,

Al

 

[deckmunki]

Just to follow up: now at +60 minutes after taking 200mg. No effects worth writing home about - everything that's been noticed (heat, pupil dilation, etc) have been mentioned.

Not at baseline yet but definitely not above a +0.5.

Chilli, Eastenders and bed for me - hopefully sleep, too.

Al

 

[MeDieViL]

Perhaps nuke was right that you also need 5HT agonism to get MDMA's magic, i will bioassay with some 2CD (a few hours in) this weekend.

 

[atara]

Mine arrived today. Tan powder as everyone else has said. Clumpy, slightly damp possibly. Looks like a darker MDPV although doesn't smell the same. Scales measure to ±10mg, calibrated 6 months ago, so no guarantees of accuracy but this report shouldn't be far off. Mine also came from a website talking about how they finally had good 5-IAI, and which posted a scan of a (100MHz?) NMR report which they say backed up the fact it's 5-IAI. No reason to doubt the seller's trustworthiness above any others, and the package arrived promptly and well-packed with a printed label on the sample's bag saying what the contents were.

5mg oral in water: no effects at 15, 30, 45, 60 or 90 minutes. Baseline throughout.

10mg oral in water: again, no effects at 15, 30, 45, 60 or 90 minutes. Baseline throughout.

50mg oral in water: possibly a slight increase in body temp at 30 mins, head felt slightly fuzzy-edged, and this was pretty much it. Effectively baseline throughout, again.

120mg oral in water: slight alerts at 30 minutes (i.e. slight fuzzy head, slight temperature increase), blood pressure constant at 135/70 at 30, 60 and 90 minutes, pulse normal - 60-70bpm, possibly a tiny amount of pupil dilation but nothing to write home about. No other noticeable effects - no more than a +1 if that. Felt like I was back at baseline within 90 minutes.

200mg oral in water: slight alerts at 30 minutes again; headspace is again fuzzy. Body temp is again slightly elevated, and appetite is slightly diminished. Currently at the +45 minutes mark with noticeable pupil dilation, slight increase in the sensation of how warm my forearms are, and a slight softening of the sensation of touch. Am not expecting anything much positive from this. Hopefully there won't be too much if any of the insomnia reported by other users. Again, no more than a +1 by my (non-scientific) reckoning.

May try 300mg tomorrow.

That's pretty astoundingly terrible. Maybe Nichols was screwing with us? According to the IC50 from the report, it should be twice as potent as MDMA.

EDIT: Call me crazy, but I'd like to rule out first-pass metabolism. Someone titrate from 5 milligrams up to 50 sublingual, maybe? Snorting sounds like a plain terrible idea, fwiw.

 

[Xamkou]

Probably not even 5-IAI. Is there even any proof?

 

[coast]

Deckmunki, nice detailed report and titrating up like that is surely the safe and sensible way to go.
But I wonder if by working your way up throughout the same day is making it difficult to judge effects.

I know with some chems I have to get a good hit from the initial dose because if I take an underwhelming dose first taking a larger dose later does not have much effect.

The marquis test is at least encouraging indicating the presence of MDMA, MDEA or MDA.
It may only need a larger dose to feel anything.
If 450mg is mild then this will work out to be an expensive chemical.

 

[phillyx]

Deckmunki, nice detailed report and titrating up like that is surely the safe and sensible way to go.
But I wonder if by working your way up throughout the same day is making it difficult to judge effects.

I know with some chems I have to get a good hit from the initial dose because if I take an underwhelming dose first taking a larger dose later does not have much effect.

The marquis test is at least encouraging indicating the presence of MDMA, MDEA or MDA.
It may only need a larger dose to feel anything.
If 450mg is mild then this will work out to be an expensive chemical.

Well I've got 1g of it to eat this weekend. I tried 10mg this morning as an allergy test, and actually felt a little bit lightheaded for an hour! (placebo?). Will do 50mg and 100mg and maybe 200mg tonight... . and then depending on what happens try 400 or 600mg at once tomorrow or Sun. Hope it does something!

 

[GlassCage]

That's pretty astoundingly terrible. Maybe Nichols was screwing with us? According to the IC50 from the report, it should be twice as potent as MDMA.

EDIT: Call me crazy, but I'd like to rule out first-pass metabolism. Someone titrate from 5 milligrams up to 50 sublingual, maybe? Snorting sounds like a plain terrible idea, fwiw.

Since I am 100% certain that my sample is from the same source, I'm volunteering to give this a try. Currently on allergy test, I'll try sublingual or maybe plugging from tomorrow onwards using a slow titration.

Incidentally, my sub-milligram allergy quantity today tasted nearly identical to MDAI - I've done a fair amount of that sublingually recently, so I know the taste pretty well. Maybe the aminoindanes all taste the same?

 

[deckmunki]

Right, I have some interesting (ie more positive!) updates to report. I will update my original post if I can but, in short, at +120 minutes the physiological effects were much more MDMA-like - significant muscle tension throughout body, heat, and a 'stoned' feeling - very serotonergic I guess? Very dilated pupils, quite talkative, but still capable of sleep from +4 hours to +9 hours.

There wasn't, however, very much of a positive mental aspect to the substance; no noticeable empathy or positive emotional shift, although that could well be - as mentioned - a result of titrating up from a small initial dose over many hours.

I was back at baseline - ie no body load or stimulation - at the +13 hours mark, but at +20 hours I drank a Martini (not my idea!) and am pretty certain I'm feeling effects again: pupil dilation, considerably more energy, and a noticeable lift in mood despite my tiredness after a day at work.

I need to take a week's break from everything with lots of rest before trying again. I'll take 200mg most likely with no top-up and nothing in combination, apart from vit C and chelates magnesium to offset the muscle tension, and will report back.

In short, this definitely shows physiological similarities to MDMA and definitely doesn't have the same abuse potential of Mephedrone as the half-life might well be very long indeed, but I'm going to reserve any kind of judgement as to whether it has recreational potential until I can make a more objective assessment.

All the best,

Al

 

[deckmunki]

Ps Glasscage: yes, MDAT tasted saccharine-sweet as did this substance, but their physical appearance and effects are very different. MDAT was a truly horrible experience I never wish to repeat - just made me feel sickeningly stoned for upwards of 12 hours. Yuk.