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Big and Dandy Salvia Scraps

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Ive only got this fealing from DXM like twice... I dont like Salvia, not a good trip in my opinion.
 
I think what salvia does(or at least what it did to me) is it gives you lots of sucky anxiety if your predisposed to it. Before salvia it was a little social anxiety, now it's like afraid-to-go-to-sleep-at-night-because-my-dreams-remind-me-of-my-freakout-on-salvia anxiety.

Nothing good there, completely destructive.
 
Your mind working through fear, i just dont get how that works.

I can rationalize anxiety which sorta helps to beat it. I still feel pretty bad though. I'm talking years later too. Like losing control on things like DPT and mushrooms used to be a fun little ride before salvia but now its like i can't beat anxiety associated with so many drugs and situations.

Quit drugs? Took like maybe 6-9 months off everything but very occasional weed. Come back, still problems.
 
/\ Then it seems to me the salvia acted as an amplifier / catalyst for some very personal deep-rooted fears. For all I know DPT could have done it too but for whatever reason it didn't. I have read heaps of DPT reports and have yet to try a proper dose because I am wary of my own deep-seated fears... most of us have them, and once you are forced to face them, all you can do is accept your fears, or in any case, accept yourself as one who has them... the fears will lose a lot of power then.

I'm not saying that salvia is totally benign or that I will never have a bad trip on it (it just might be the next one, you never REALLY know...) but for some reasopn I have always come out unscathed and somehow wiser. But partly this is because I have always accepted any of my shortcomings that salvia so eloquently pointed out to me in those few minutes where I didn't even know what that room was that i was sitting in . . .

I feel that you are putting too much of the blame on the salvia, and that you'd like to put the root cause of your fears into something outside of yourself. I tried this, and it did not work for me.

I too have had anxiety problems, I know what I am talking about. And I have not solved them entirely, hence my utmost carefulness with DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, and DPT. But if I had looked for the root cause outside of myself when I fiorst became aware of it, I would have blamed a very very scary LSD trip many years ago and probably still be telling everyone to stay the f*ck away from that evil drug. But I don't, because I know better than that. Actually I went back to LSD 6 months after this very scary trip because I knew the only way to sort myself out was to go back there. . . perhaps another salvia experience, well prepared (set + setting), might just help you out of the mental state you seem to say you've been stuck in since the day salvia taught you a lesson . . . then again, it may not. It's your call.
 
For a while I've been considering going back to salvia. I mean, as disorienting as it gets I'm sure it a little easier to deal with the more you do it. I've read lots of positive things about salvia in the woods and im willing to ease into higher doses rather than attempt huge doses to get a breakthrough like before.

The trip by itself isn't what got me, it was just the crazy physical sensations that I've never felt on anything before or since then. Maybe predosing with a benzo would help me jump that hurdle so i can actually work with the material. I just can't be broken by a drug that has got a pretty good safety record.

BTW does anyone have any information about mixing benzos and salvia? For me a half mg of a k-pin usually kills a lot the mental wackiness from mushrooms and leaves the visuals and that cold tryptamine feel intacted. Would one kill some of the nightmare-esq dysphoria you get from salvia?
 
singularity said:
For a while I've been considering going back to salvia. I mean, as disorienting as it gets I'm sure it a little easier to deal with the more you do it. I've read lots of positive things about salvia in the woods and im willing to ease into higher doses rather than attempt huge doses to get a breakthrough like before.

The trip by itself isn't what got me, it was just the crazy physical sensations that I've never felt on anything before or since then. Maybe predosing with a benzo would help me jump that hurdle so i can actually work with the material. I just can't be broken by a drug that has got a pretty good safety record.

BTW does anyone have any information about mixing benzos and salvia? For me a half mg of a k-pin usually kills a lot the mental wackiness from mushrooms and leaves the visuals and that cold tryptamine feel intacted. Would one kill some of the nightmare-esq dysphoria you get from salvia?
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Mixing benzos and saliva was how I first overcame the fear hurdle you gotta deal with. Its interesting to feel exactly how the benzo is effecting you when you come back from the salvia trip.

Alcohol works just as well, and the salvia brings a clarity through and completely overwhelms the drunkeness, so you dont have to worry about being drunk during the salvia trip. You feel how the booze is a poison that weakens your body afterwords tho.

During the trip salvia completely overwhelms both alcohol and benzos, and they may even enhance the visual hyperspace by allowing you to relax into it instead of fighting it.

My advice for those who want to get into salvia is to keep at it. Realize that you are perfectly OK after a trip and that you and a friend can keep tripping all night taking turns and defining the drug. Thats how you get to understand it, and have really wild trips.
 
No problem. I have to say that I haven't noticed any changes in my trip depending on set and setting. To truly get the trip u need to close your eyes. Leaving them open is for learning at the beginning.

Also, in terms of the fear and stuff, it helps when I call salvia what it really is... hyperspace fuel. Keep that in mind and realize that your physical body cannot be hurt by anything you see, and you are well on your way to believing in another reality. :)
 
"All the DMT trips were pleasant but a little boring"

I doubt you have ever done DMT then. It is frenetic sensory overload.
 
Huehuecoyotyl said:
"All the DMT trips were pleasant but a little boring"

I doubt you have ever done DMT then. It is frenetic sensory overload.
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I beg to differ. I know what drugs I've taken. No doubt, DMT produces a massive transmundane experience, but nothing compared to salvia which I tried first.

I dislike know- it- alls doubting what people write. What fucking point would there have been for me to say that?
 
Anyway, I've been sprialling up the anxiety track since my one month 'salvia' useage, and am pretty convinced that this residual fear/anxiety I'm feeling was brought out in part by the complete blast off of salvia.

Note that I'm not blaming or dissing the actual substance, its just certainly shown me that I can't 'let go and let god' or some such.

Well, I'm doing a bit of psychotherapy at the moment so hopefully I can resolve myself enough to re-enter the realm of the Goddess. Can't leave something as huge as that stuff just stagnating in my brain.
 
This happens with most psychedelic drugs.

Some people break addictioins with LSD/DMT/etc, and feel they don't have to consume drugs to create happiness.
 
^^^ It seems that they may 'break' or interupt addictions to truly mind and conciousness altering drugs (eg. marijunana, heroin, crack cocaine) but have little benefits in the field of SSRI and benzo-type drugs, which by and large, can't be perceived (well, benzo's in high doses can be).
 
I've most often heard of people using psychedelics to break opiate addictions than any other kind. Of course ibogaine is specific to this, but I've also read of several accounts of ketamine being able to do the same through metaprogramming during the trip.
 
It is possible that because you had such a scary trip, you could be suffering from post traumatic stress. They think this is what does the "unlocking" of mental illnesses with psychedelics not the drug itself but the intense mental strain of altered consciousness.
 
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