better to not find out? (heroin)

[drew345]

I did my first shot tonight and oh boy its good not great but its definatly really fuckin good.

 

[absent minded]

$50 4 a half gram and a $100 for a gram. and its only average quality but not bad
drew

DAMN DUDE that is alot for tar dope! we pay 35-40 dollars for a gram of dope in seattle

 

[Chaos23]

i shot a lot of heroin for 7 years.

it is a horrible idea and will lead to nothing but trouble in your life.

I suggest avoiding the needle like the plague. If you don't, you may actually end up with some plague or another...

I shot heroin and coke for so long man... It ruins a person. killed many of my friends, and my sister.

Just stay away from the H altogether. it is a really bad thing to get hooked on. Trust me... It is all I knew for 7 years.

 

[itsjustme]

do it.

if you don't like it, nothing to worry about.

if it turns out being one of your better highs, or even just an interesting experience, would you want to go your whole life without knowing that feeling?

 

[Chaos23]

do it.

if you don't like it, nothing to worry about.

if it turns out being one of your better highs, or even just an interesting experience, would you want to go your whole life without knowing that feeling?

Are you serious?

what if he ends up LOVING it and becomes a total junkie? It is the most efficient MOA out there, and it feels really nice when done correctly. The majority of heroin users who try shooting dope end up on the needle... It makes them a slave. NOT worth it.

Shooting drugs is a BAD idea. This is from not only my direct experience, but everyone I know who has shot drugs for any length of time.

Suggesting someone try this MOA is reckless, and NOT in the spirit of harm reduction.

I only WISH I had gone my whole life never having shot drugs. Seriously... this is the worst advice you could possibly give in this situation.

 

[itsjustme]

it's just one more opinion.

he can weigh it against all the other opinions in this thread, and take the majority advice, or do what 99% of people do anyway, which is...exactly as they fucking please.

how many times had you been warned or heard negatives about drugs, or IV, before you tried it? in my case, too many to count. in a way all the warnings only served to increase my curiosity "is it really THAT bad."

it did take encouragement to finally try it, but was inevitable and i am GLAD i got it over with sooner than later. it's a (series of) mistakes that would have taken me so much lower had i waited until later in life.

IV has fucked my life in plenty of ways. and i do regret it. i used to recommend AGAINST it here (BL) whenever i saw a thread like this. but is one more cliched line of text like "dont do it man it aint worth it" going to make a difference to someone who is already expressing curiosity? who's to say how your life would have turned out today if you had never gotten into needles. perhaps it would be better but it could also be worse.

what i told this person is NOTHING that has not already crossed his mind.

i strongly support being safe and clean, always. in the spirit of harm reduction.

Suggesting someone try this MOA is reckless, and NOT in the spirit of harm reduction.

what can i say. im a reckless girl.

 

[yiggy]

I did my first shot tonight and oh boy its good not great but its definatly really fuckin good.

yea but u agree its not the huge deal everyone is making it to be right? kinda anti-climatic as ive noted previously


to theodore-

i dont know where u are getting that smoking hits u slower although at small doses it may be more obvious....however, i have not alot of experience smoking heroin but more so with fentanyl....i have also IVed ampules and dried out fent gel and smoking huge globs in one hit ALWAYS trumped any sort of rush i got from fent OR heroin via any route. it was not really subjective cause the dude i got ampules from agreed that smoking hit u harder and faster when performed properly(aka the way i did it). even at very comperative doses although i must admit there is alot of guessing when placing globs of 75mcg/hr fent gel on a piece of foil.

either way, u get my point. i never knocked anybody elses experiences or opinions on IV but i have gotten nothing but flack for mine.

also with the 12 bag shot thing....they were $10 bags of good dope probally 50mg-75mg in each one. one of these $10 bags snorted is about 40mg of snorted/oral oxy overall. good dope imo but i dont know how potent that really works out to be you can do the math.
he thinks i hadnt IVed properly before that is why i brought it up

 

[TheodoreRoosevelt]

it was not really subjective cause the dude i got ampules from agreed that smoking hit u harder and faster when performed properly(

LoL? This still means it's subjective man. Just because someone else said it doesn't change anything.

dont know where u are getting that smoking hits u slower although at small doses it may be more obvious

I didnt say that, I said smoking hits you quicker. The onset for smoking is ~6 seconds where injection is longer.

However, the rush is stronger with IV. The total dose hits you all at once, whereas with smoking the rush will be dragged out over the course of you pulling.

Say it's like this: Injection takes 2 seconds, so that's, say, 50 mg per second x 2.

With smoking, it's about 10 seconds, so 10mg per second x 10.

Smoking also have a lower bioavailability, and much of the product is destroyed by being burned. So in theory, smoking could provide the strongest rush of anything, but you'd probably have to increase you dose many times over.

I'm sure in whatever personal experiences, you may have had stronger rushes with smoking. This may be due to technique, amongst many other reason. I don't know, everyone has their personal viewpoint of how shit went down.

But objectively, IV has a stronger rush and a slightly more delayed onset than smoking does. Just because you claim otherwise does not make it true.

If you feel like smoking is a stronger rush, go for it then.

 

[center]

No drug is ever worth the "rush", in my opinion.

If your life is that empty without it, get some professional help.

 

[SmokeNmirrors]

Yeah with Iv the rush is much better and thats what makes it the problem the first thing i shot was heroin but then i was like wow shooting is fucken intense so then i was like shooting cocaine must be crazy when before i didnt have a problem with snorting it but now i prefer Iv which sucks because now i have to hide my arms and shit cause i hear people tell me that even the needle its self is addictive and i can already see it. This is no sob story though. im just trying to help

 

[yiggy]

LoL? This still means it's subjective man. Just because someone else said it doesn't change anything.



I didnt say that, I said smoking hits you quicker. The onset for smoking is ~6 seconds where injection is longer.

However, the rush is stronger with IV. The total dose hits you all at once, whereas with smoking the rush will be dragged out over the course of you pulling.

Say it's like this: Injection takes 2 seconds, so that's, say, 50 mg per second x 2.

With smoking, it's about 10 seconds, so 10mg per second x 10.

Smoking also have a lower bioavailability, and much of the product is destroyed by being burned. So in theory, smoking could provide the strongest rush of anything, but you'd probably have to increase you dose many times over.

I'm sure in whatever personal experiences, you may have had stronger rushes with smoking. This may be due to technique, amongst many other reason. I don't know, everyone has their personal viewpoint of how shit went down.

But objectively, IV has a stronger rush and a slightly more delayed onset than smoking does. Just because you claim otherwise does not make it true.

If you feel like smoking is a stronger rush, go for it then.

how can anyone objectively say IV produces a stronger rush? the nature of the question itself produces a subjective answer. anyways, my point when i said my friend also did it was that we didnt just try and shoot up some fent gel or something and come to the conclusion. we had ampules, good technique, and plenty of experience....the doses werent just subjectively compared.

anyways, with the fent gel, the amount needed to smoke is so tiny that u can inhale a full glob in just 3-4 seconds...about the same amount of time it takes for me to push 50-80cc. the difference is that i can feel the fentanyl within a hearbeat or two and its over before before i finish exhaling. it starts AND ends quicker than IV so i have to disagree....again this only applies to fentanyl because there would be obvious restrictions with more common opiates like you mentioned(trying to inhale a couple hundred milligrams of anything other than pure smokeable H would probally take more than 4-5 seconds)

 

[toe]

it's just one more opinion.

he can weigh it against all the other opinions in this thread, and take the majority advice, or do what 99% of people do anyway, which is...exactly as they fucking please.

how many times had you been warned or heard negatives about drugs, or IV, before you tried it? in my case, too many to count. in a way all the warnings only served to increase my curiosity "is it really THAT bad."

Um, everyone has been more or less honest in this thread. Yup, we did it. Yup, we loved it. Yup, it destroyed some aspect or another of our lives forever.

With the exception of the off-topic smoke vs slam discussion (you'll always be able to ingest MORE in a single hit injecting than you will smoking, BTW- which is why a 6 second delay doesn't bother many of us.) I think everyone has acknowledged that nothing will ever beat the needle. Which is exactly why why it's better not to find out. I think we all knew what we were galloping towards, in some sense. But did we know we were leaving the entire spectrum of color behind for a gray life?

/pedestal

 

[phr]

^
Good post toe.