better to not find out? (heroin)

[eon_blue]

the difference is, is that im usually thinking more about why i shouldn't be doing dope than how im going to get my next fix... im going to slowly taper off the next week or so and try to leave it be for a while

If you allow yourself to fall into a physical dependency then you're hooked, sorry to say. Might as well skip the denial phase and accept it now, trust me it'll save you alot of the worry/trouble involved in coming to the realization. Many here can attest to that; I on the other hand was fortunate enough to not have to go through certain extreme lows to realize this.

Then again that gave me the justification I felt I need to continue to use (occasionally), and where that's going to take me I don't know for sure but I know the risks weigh heavily on one side. The fucking prices we pay to feel that high, that rush...

 

[johnnyb420]

dude yo are kidding your self if you dont think that you can not pick up a habit with daily use use for two weeks even ten days when you stop you will be sick
it may not tbe that bad this time if you stop now but you will deff be sick

the only thing that is going to save your ass at this point is the fact that you cant find heroin in your college town

good thing you dont know where to look its there its in every town just be glad you cant find it


if you want to try the needle i would lay off the oxy for a month or two and then give the needle a go once and only once


if you dont take the advice in this thread you will go down the same road as all the other junkies it works the same for everybody with very few exceptions the shit is justto good to put down man


dont do it

 

[panic in paradise]

it really isnt worth it.


Edit: is russian roulette more fun with 1 bullet or three?

 

[adder]

Well, nice to see a person who wants to learn from others' experience, quite rare.

I know I would have done it anyway and I would always regret that. But it's hard to regret the only thing that gets you on your feet in seconds and you don't give a fuck about people and problems. That's why I use heroin i.v. It surely all depends on what you expect from life. Making a decision to shoot it, you must know the consequence. Life's never going to be the same again if you're already addicted. Think close people, family, think money, think job or school. You

You can always kick the habit though you know it's going to be hard and painful but it can be done. That's what keeps me in hope some day I will not need it to function normally anymore.

Seek less damaging methods of overcoming whatever reasons you take dope.

 

[yiggy]

i have done it many times through insufflation but i feel as though when i IV it, im crossing a line that will make it much more difficult to quit in the long run. Every friend i know who has shot it is completely different afterwards than those who haven't. i feel like it definitely changes people, but i wanted a second opinion. Do you feel like it is worth the rush? looking back on your life, do you regret ever putting a needle in your arm? let me learn from your experience


Edit: Do not incriminate yourself by mentioning future illegal activities. -phrozen

i shot heroin and still enjoy other routes better.

the ONLY reason i shoot my heroin is because i am a cheap bastard and would rather get high twice outta that $20.


the rush is not stronger. the rush just comes on QUICKER.

 

[motts]

iv > all other methods

my advice : stick to what your insides are telling you, but your gonna do what your gonna do.

 

[phr]

That ">" also comes with greater risks than other methods.

I'm not knocking IV, it's my preferred method. But I don't think most people could handle it without losing control.

 

[yiggy]

That ">" also comes with greater risks than other methods.

I'm not knocking IV, it's my preferred method. But I don't think most people could handle it without losing control.

what do u mean handle it without losing control?

do u REALLY believe that the MOA is that addicting? sure the ritual itself becomes addicting, but the same people who would "lose control" IVing drugs would have the same problem snorting/swallowing whatever. you will laugh once u finally shoot up dope because its not as big of a deal as all these people try and tell you....as a matter of fact, its almost anti-climatic.

put it this way, ive shot heroin more times than i can remember, diliaduds, smoked fent gel for weeks at a time, etc.......if u gave me a thing of pure oxycodone HCL solution i would only IV it when i had food on my stomach preventing a fast oral absorbtion(oral is 15 minutes....then it hits just as hard as IV). oh and my viens are fine so its not a health choice

30mg of heroin is 30mg of heroin once its in ur bloodstream it doesnt fucking matter if u shot it into ur blood directly or if it diffused through ur nasal membranes.

if u get addicted to the shot itself u probally already have many unhealthy addictions in ur life

 

[phr]

IV'ing is more addicting than the other ROA's. If not for the ritual, then for the increased BA(efficiency) and the other dimension to the high; the rush.

You're fooling yourself if you think it's equal to the other ROA's.



You may be able to handle it, but IME, most can't. I've known plenty of addicted/dependent snorters that ended up ruining everything that was left over once they picked up a needle.

 

[eon_blue]

i shot heroin and still enjoy other routes better.

the ONLY reason i shoot my heroin is because i am a cheap bastard and would rather get high twice outta that $20.


the rush is not stronger. the rush just comes on QUICKER.

Completely disagree.

You don't get a rush from any MOA other than IV period (only exception might be smoking). You don't snort anything, especially heroin, and get that instant 'smacked upside the head' rush that seems to swell out from your chest.

If you think the rush from snorting vs. that of IV is of equal strength, then you aren't shooting properly (or shooting enough), sorry to say.

 

[yiggy]

IV'ing is more addicting than the other ROA's. If not for the ritual, then for the increased BA(efficiency) and the other dimension to the high; the rush.

You're fooling yourself if you think it's equal to the other ROA's.



You may be able to handle it, but IME, most can't. I've known plenty of addicted/dependent snorters that ended up ruining everything that was left over once they picked up a needle.

the rush? rush is subjective.

i like a come up more than a rush. a rush is anti-climatic dont deny it man....how many times have u shot a nice chunk of H waited and kinda just sighed as u began to start itching and nodding? its not that great and the hype is just that, hype. again IMO, the only benefits to a needle is greater bang for the buck.

i see this as kinda a conundrum...did they ruin everything by using a needle or did they use a needle because they felt they had already ruined everything?

how many people start by shooting heroin verses snorting it?

my point is that 99% of people who begin to use the needle were probally already into a deep habit(like u mentioned). even without the needle, given some time they probally would have fucked up their lives too.

most people dont start to use needles until after they are already deep into addiction and the financial benefits outweigh the health risks
also once u have used the needle, u pretty much no longer lie to yourself or close friends about ur habit.....aka "im a junky i have nothing to lose"
not trying to argue here just showing the other side of the coin........

agree to disagree?

 

[yiggy]

Completely disagree.

You don't get a rush from any MOA other than IV period (only exception might be smoking). You don't snort anything, especially heroin, and get that instant 'smacked upside the head' rush that seems to swell out from your chest.

If you think the rush from snorting vs. that of IV is of equal strength, then you aren't shooting properly (or shooting enough), sorry to say.

you mean to say YOU dont get a rush from anything other than IV....

if u wish go do a search of my posts.....i started with lortabs and percocets....moved onto crushing up over 300-400mg of oxy at ONCE to get high....heroin IV and snorted.....not to mention smoking about 20 fent patches every 3 weeks......


of all the methods, smoking produces the greatest "rush" in the context of ur definition.....

snorting or oral well its not instanst smacked up feeling, but just a month ago i snorted a bag of heroin with no tolerance.....it didnt hit me in 10 seconds, but at about 10 minutes it hit me like a ton of bricks. basically the equivalent of a delayed onset from IV except instead of 8-10 seconds it took 600 seconds.

 

[phr]

Ummm, no. Smoking doesn't produce the greatest rush. Well, unless you could smoke 250mgs of heroin in one hit. Cause I could easily shoot that in one hit...

 

[yiggy]

have u ever smoked fentanyl?

ive had it IVed and a nice giant glob burned on some foil will hit u before u finish inhaling.....

sorry for the confusion i am talking about MOA for all opiates.....if u were non-tolerant and had smokeable heroin im pretty confident from my experiences u would find ur "rush"(basically speed of onset of effects) to be better than IV. AT THE SAME DOSE.

 

[yiggy]

what the fuck ever.

are you honestly going to sit here and tell me i havent experienced the rush?
man i fucking put 12 bags in a shot before. please get outta here with that shit.

its THAT exact attitude that makes people look down upon IVing. it is not some mystical object that will surely make ur high 10X better and 10X more addicting...false false and more false.

i never said the "rush" is equal when snorted or IVed, but rather that its not a huge night and day difference....more like the difference between evening and night.

there is no magical process that occurs just because u have IVed the drug. the rush is the SPEED OF ONSET OF EFFECTS. simply put how fast a given dose is absorbed.

smoking wins hands down. then IV. then oral. then snorted. for the rush.

funny people talk about snorting oxy to get a "rush" but minus the extra 5 minutes in your stomach, once its actually starting to get into the bloodstream oral usually blows intranasal away.

 

[s1ck]

youre just wrong yiggy.

iv heroin is simply much more pleasurable and efficient than other routes of administration.

im not sure why youre not familiar with the rush if you have as much opioid experience as you claim, but for gods sake iv just kicks smoking, oral, and intranasals ass.

phrozen put it well. lets see you ingest 250mg of heroin in a single smoked hit, then you might get a comperable rush... except that you CANT physically do that.

its not JUST the time it takes to hit, its a combination of things: BA, onset time (as youve pointed out), this elusive and difficult to describe 'rush' that really only happens with iv administration, and finally the ritual of needle use.

im sure there are more factors, but for me those are the main 4.

theres also the fact that you waste so much heroin doing it any other way...

 

[yiggy]

if u had good pure smokeable heroin, you could certainly inhale a few hundred mgs worth...if held in, it would hit u before u started to exhale and the "rush" would nearly be finished before u were done exhaling.

 

[NW-baltiland]

if u had good pure smokeable heroin, you could certainly inhale a few hundred mgs worth...if held in, it would hit u before u started to exhale and the "rush" would nearly be finished before u were done exhaling.

see that sounds good, but that part about "pure" is the problem and even then you would have to be pretty skilled at smoking H to get over a quarter gram in a hit.

edit-as the guys said above I.V. administration(sp?) is the only ROA to provide an actual "Rush".

 

[TheodoreRoosevelt]

Smoking actually hits your brain faster than IV does - 4-6 seconds to IV's 8-20.

The thing with smoking is that it is absorbed a little slower, whereas IV the whole dose is concentrated in a fast-traveling flow.

Theoretically, you could get a faster rush from smoking, but you would have to do a hit of like 5 times what you would normally shoot up to get a stronger rush than IV, but then you definitely reaching overdose territory and it would be extremely dangerous to do that.

So in practice, injecting will bring a stronger rush than smoking ever will. The only way to get a stronger rush smoking would be to take a hit guaranteed to kill you. You would probably have to smoke it from a bong-like device rather than a pipe or 'chasing the dragon' to get all the smoke in at once. If you are sucking up smoke in a non-concentrated form then you won't get that rush since you are slowly getting high while you are still sucking up smoke.

You'd probably cough it out since it'd be so thick too.

Anyways, like I said, in practice, it is impossible to get a stronger rush smoking than form injecting.

man i fucking put 12 bags in a shot before. please get outta here with that shit.

This doesn't mean anything. Strength, and everytihng else, is a factor. Were they 20 bags, where all were 200 mg of ~60% pure heroin? Or 20 mg $6 bags of ~10% purity? Also, you're dick isn't any bigger from this statement, don't act like a badass.

smoking wins hands down. then IV. then oral. then snorted. for the rush.

funny people talk about snorting oxy to get a "rush" but minus the extra 5 minutes in your stomach, once its actually starting to get into the bloodstream oral usually blows intranasal away.

You are wrong. It's not "hands down" and usually depends on the drug. For example, the rush from oral MDMA can be stronger than sniffed, but with most other drugs it's not the case.

But what you say makes no sense.

 

[Chemethist]

youre question has already been answered, over and over and over again.