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Okay, I retract my statement about Sodium Citrate. My A Level Chemistry days have failed me.

br2325 said:
so NO its not smack in the middle of the "antacid" dosage.
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But your quote says "FOR ANTACID USE: 1-3 teaspoonsful with a little water, up to four times a day, or as directed by a doctor."
and you say "but when you take TWO TABLE SPOONS". Now, its either me, or Google is wrong, but 2 table spoons is 6 teaspoons.

Therefore, 6 teaspoons is actually more than than the antacidd dose.

But what does that mean?

As soon as something that is vaguelly alkali (ie MoM) hits your stomach, it will neutralise some of the acid in your stomach. The "antacid effect" is "1~3 teaspoons". After that what occurs if you've consumed enough MoM that it manages to get past the initial stage of digestion and you not only neutralise some acid in your stomach, but you ALSO initiate the laxitive effect on your body.

Consuming as much MoM as you did doesn't only have a laxative effect, it has the dual effect of neutralising some acid AND causing a laxative effect. Hence, I would put your increased effect down to a combination of (but not including) :
reduced stomach pH
the laxative effect on the body
placebo

You claim it has no neutralising effect but plainly it does. I said "Its smack in the middle of the neutralsing dose" but I misread it. In fact, its far beyond the neutralising dose, which only adds fuel to my perspective.

I didn't flame you. If I thought this topic was beyond conversation I'd have closed it, because I'm a moderator. Instead I felt this topic had room for discussion which it has done.
 
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sorry mate, just a pleb here...........have been reading this with interest and will be looking forward to hearing of your further experiments.

I will be dropping next in a couple weekends time and figure it cant hurt to try it so will come back wid my results as well.

I dont think anyone was really flamin u bro.........Ive come to realise on this board that flaming is pretty obvious............but I have also noticed that if anyone suggests anything slightly different then it usually gets the .......its just a placebo effect work out.

While I dont even start to suggest that i have some major in chemistry and gord only knows what else...........I think many who post tend to suggest that if they dont know about it then its just not possible.............much like the old timers would when suggested that maybe the world wasnt flat.

On the plus side there is also a huge amount of excellent info to get from here so i guess the good balances and to be honest IMO outweighs the bad.

Cheers and look forward to hearing results of further experimentation.
 
Would taking some tums or something like that cause an increase in effect?

Also some of you describe rolling smoother and cleaner after taking 1 pill as opposed to taking 2. This makes me wonder because I've always been told that there is a "sweet spot" when dosing MDMA and taking a higher dose will only increase the negative effects??? Is there any truth to this?
 
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Alpha,
I know you ain't flamin' I just wanted to see some sparks fly. Get a reaction, like everyone else does. Fellow bluelighter, especially a mod, is a friend in my book. Thanks for your prespective, I'm not challenging it. Anymore. Nor was it my intent to challenge anyone's in the first place. I'm sure your well versed in chemistry/pharmacology etc.
I didn't mean that it didn't have a nuetralizing effect because I know it did but what my knowledge of the digestive system would lead me to beleive that most ecstasy is not absorbed in the stomach but rather the small intestine. Therefore if the laxative also coats and makes an the already somewhat alkaline (more so then the stomach) enviroment into a pure alkaline enviroment,in the small intestine, then this leads me to believe that since I took more then the antacid doseage (that it made it down to my small intestine) I caused a pure alkaline enviroment for the mdma to be absorbed. I think this caused such a hard roll. THAT'S why I am suggesting to take the MoM as a Laxative. You see most people think that its absorbed in the stomach hince your tums and other antacid beliefs. BUT its not, all weak bases are mainly absorbed in the small intestine. Anyway, just try it alpha, I'm going to experiment this weekend with some red hearts i'll let you and everyone else know how it goes. I'll be detailed in all aspects.


MazDan thanks mate I hope it turns out as well for you as it did for me. I think this site is very informative and is what we need. We being the everyday person that uses any drug. At least we will be informed. At least there is some education going on about these "highly sensitive" subjects that noone wants to talk about. Cheers and I'll be sure and fill you and everyone else in on my ventures. I have a new batch of the white doves its the clearest stamp I've everyseen. I also have a batch of red hearts, seem thich and arrow threw it. And some smiley faces yellow. Anyway check out my reports on pill reports.com user name is rolldup. I test with xtreme and I'll post my experiences here. PEace out.
 
Phactor, almost left you out. Well thats just it I am trying to say that an antacid such as tums is good. but try a very mild laxative Milk of Magnesia is what I use haven't tried any others. I think that it works hella betta. And I think the up and down effect is caused when the tab is broken down after the initial stage of the come up, that FLoored feeling you sometimes get right away, that if not ingested and digested in the proper way may cause ups and downs. Because it wasn't absorbed and broken down smoothly. Try crushing the pill and put it in a gell cap or piece of toilet paper or tissue (method with tissue is called parachuting) then swallow it with water. Use preloaders. vitamin c oranges grapefruits, etc. try searching on this site for "preloading" maybe even try my MoM two tablespoon thing. this will help smooth out the roll and may cause a roll to "hit" harder. After say around three hours or when your roll starts to go away, take (if you can get a hold of it) some prozac or zoloft etc. any reuptake inhibiter will help rid the negative nuerotoxic effects. if you have more questions, shoot away. WORD.
 
br2325 your "way" sounds very interesting! My wife and I are going to roll this weekend alone and we only have 3 pills to share. I was going to try plugging but I am going to give your way shot. The pills we have are not the strongest, I rolled "OK" with 2 of these pills a month ago. I will let you know the results on Sunday, right after I take a shit! :) And don't worry about getting flamed if it isn't a great roll. Other factors are involved with each individual. Thanks in advance, I hope!
 
well check out the thread on "urals". i swear this has been covered in great detial in the side of HCO3- being crucial to amphetamine excresion in the kidneys.

^^^that's sodium bicarboinate minus the sodium. it happens when you drop an alkeselzter in a glass of water.

having to shit a little always makes me feel good - no matter if its adderall or mdma. JUST DON"T SQUIRT!
 
Huh, I'll try it next time I take pills.

I swear by magnesium for DXM potentiation and "smoothing out", so I don't doubt this milk of magnesia thing.

I don't know about taking Zoloft on the comedown though... seems to me like very bad advice to suggest people mess with what I consider a dangerous class of drugs without any real reason.

If you're concerned about free radicals, take some Vitamin C. Please do not start cutting your rails with crushed up Wellbutrin!
 
Well I hope it turns out ok for you guys I'll be posting a report on pillreports.com this weekend going to drop some pink hearts. I'm going to use around the same amount if not exact amount of MoM. I read the thread on urals. And I've read about reuptake inhibitors at a few places as being good as far as lowering the neurotoxic effect of ex. Here checkt this site out. theres a few. http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_faq2.shtml type in ctrl+F and find the words reuptake. read about that. for more informative go to
Start here
http://www.dancesafe.org/slideshow/slide19.html its pretty detailed so get ready for some heavy readin.

Anyway. PEacE and I'll holla back about the pink ones with MoM
 
I just wanted to say I tried this method with the same batch of pills I took about a month ago. With the MoM, these pills feel about 2x as strong. However, I always have stomach troubles too, so this only exacerbated that effect. So, do it if you don't mind sitting on the pot for 15 minutes or so.
 
I just tried this again last night and think I drank too much MoM because I did have the shits the next day actually today but you know what my eyes are still dilated after almost twelve hours. The initial come up, I used a pill called DA aka Dark Angels, was intense I was roll face for a good hour and didn't want to get off the couch. It took about an hour to kick in but my peak (when I didn't want to move) lasted a solid hour. Usually this peak lasts 15 minutes on a good dose of MDMA. I won't try another pill without MoM ever again. The roll is still going and I feel a small amount still working. I dropped last night at 11:00pm central its 9:24am the next day.
 
Allright so I tried the milk of magnesia suggestion... myself and two other volunteers (my girlfriend and my buddy who would be trying mdma for his first time) each took 1.5 tablespoons of MoM about 10 minutes before parachuting our pills.

Each of us started with 2/3 of a green cross and 1/3 of a pink "cupid", mixed up and parachuted.
Over the course of the night we also ended up each putting another 2/3 of a cupid and 1/3 of a pink spade up our noses.

I enjoyed the night a lot, vibes were good, etc, but honestly I don't think the milk of magnesia made much of a difference. I had these pills before, with the exception of the green cross (which was supposedly the strongest and cleanest) and my roll felt pretty much like I'd expect from my route of injestion, timing, and dose.

But then again I'm kind of superstitious about this kind of stuff, and I do have a big bottle of MoM now, so I'll probably try it next time as well.
 
try two table spoons period. two weeks ago i tried one and a half and got the same effects i usually expect of 1 and 1/2 of a da. This past weekend tried 1 and a half of the same with two tablespoons...roll face.
 
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