Misc Best sleep med

[gymguy30]

Yeah, they can keep all of them. And the SNRIs too. Had nothing but hellish experiences with that crap. Even Remeron for "weight gain and anxiety relief" which ironically made me unable to eat and lose weight and have chronic anxiety and insomnia. Wonderful stuff!

Can’t fucking stand these new era prescribers. Prescribe what’s been working for years dickheads !

 

[gymguy30]

It’s not a “knockout” type of drug at all, so I don’t think it’s what you’re looking for to be honest. Have you tried rilmazafone? It’s a benzo pro-drug on the more sedative/hypnotic side.

Haven’t heard a lot about this. How’s this compare to temazepam?

 

[gymguy30]

I tell yall the fastest any drug has ever put me to sleep was when a buddy of mine gave me a zanaflex ! I think it was 8 mg. But when I tell you I was out in like 15 mins cold and slept through the night without waking up that’s exactly what happened. I forgot all about that med. I looked it up just now and see it’s prescribed off label for sleep

 

[Helpmeescapethis]

Haven’t heard a lot about this. How’s this compare to temazepam?

The time difference between trying rilmazafone and having temazepam is so long that I honestly couldn’t tell you the difference. Rilmazafone helped me a lot during a period of opiate withdrawal, and that’s saying something. Although my doses had to be somewhat higher than the usual person.

 

[Them Witches]

You take up to a double dose of Flexeril every night?

it takes a lot to go and stay asleep

 

[drewbocop]

I tell yall the fastest any drug has ever put me to sleep was when a buddy of mine gave me a zanaflex ! I think it was 8 mg. But when I tell you I was out in like 15 mins cold and slept through the night without waking up that’s exactly what happened. I forgot all about that med. I looked it up just now and see it’s prescribed off label for sleep

I always hear this, but it's never done much for me. I used to get piles of it, but just kind of let it lapse. Wish it worked like that for me! It did for my dad.

 

[drewbocop]

it takes a lot to go and stay asleep

I have a big bottle of them that's just been sitting on my dresser since 2020 lol
The half life is just too long for me and the job I have to do every day, but I will say it did help the tension and tightness in my neck and upper back before it knocked my ass out.

 

[pixies+]

Still not sure what country you are in, but here are my thoughts.

1. Zopiclone ( Non US )
2. Lunesta ( US )

As mentioned I think Zopiclone is effective at the same dose (no need to increase due to tolerance.. IME), if taken properly at the right dose IME it has been the least "abusive" sleeping pill second only to taking nothing at all. Again this is IME (over 20 years).

But give this video a watch, it is worth it. ( I mean in a good way ).
Try watch it for general advise and not for the "Ambien" product itself.

Good luck and update us on the outcome of your visit.

Agreed. I’ve been on zopiclone for 20 years. My highest amount prescribed was 15mg a night.. along with (too) many other meds. Was a little ridiculous what i was consuming for sleep. I’m down to 11.5mg now and dropped about 6 other meds. I feel much better.

Without clonidine, I’m not sure I’d ever get to sleep. I currently take clonidine, diazepam, and zopiclone at night. Stopped trazadone about 2 months ago.

The biggest concern I have about benzos/Z drugs is my memory.

@gymguy30, have you ever thought about clonidine? Not sure if it’s been mentioned.

 

[drewbocop]

along with (too) many other meds. Was a little ridiculous what i was consuming for sleep.

I've had a few epiphanies over the years while scarfing down handfuls of both OTC and pharm pills just to get to bed every night where I have to stop and say, "Am I seriously doing this?" Zopiclone + 6 is intense, but I get it lmao. Isn't it refreshing when you knock them out and are eventually sleeping on your personal bare minimum? Life is hard, man. I feel you so hard.

 

[pixies+]

I've had a few epiphanies over the years while scarfing down handfuls of both OTC and pharm pills just to get to bed every night where I have to stop and say, "Am I seriously doing this?" Zopiclone + 6 is intense, but I get it lmao. Isn't it refreshing when you knock them out and are eventually sleeping on your personal bare minimum? Life is hard, man. I feel you so hard.

I’ve had pretty much the same experience lol I was up to 12 meds a day/night. I’d look at the pills in my hand and think what the fuck am I doing? I hated to tell anyone my med list. It felt embarrassing. One new doctor I went to after I moved to a new place looked at me and said “who did this to you? You’re taking enough stuff that would knock out a small dinosaur.” It was a constant cycle of booze, coke, pills. I really have no clue how I functioned at all… yuck lol I’m glad I’ve managed to be mostly stable over the last 2 years with coke/opis and my scripted stuff.

It really does feel good not having the pressure of being severely addicted to multiple things ..even though I’m still highly dependent on a couple things like subs, adderall, a benzo, and zops.. at least it’s a controlled type of thing. I get all my meds daily. It’s better for me that way lol

 

[Helpmeescapethis]

I’ve had pretty much the same experience lol I was up to 12 meds a day/night. I’d look at the pills in my hand and think what the fuck am I doing? I hated to tell anyone my med list. It felt embarrassing. One new doctor I went to after I moved to a new place looked at me and said “who did this to you? You’re taking enough stuff that would knock out a small dinosaur.” It was a constant cycle of booze, coke, pills. I really have no clue how I functioned at all… yuck lol I’m glad I’ve managed to be mostly stable over the last 2 years with coke/opis and my scripted stuff.

It really does feel good not having the pressure of being severely addicted to multiple things ..even though I’m still highly dependent on a couple things like subs, adderall, a benzo, and zops.. at least it’s a controlled type of thing. I get all my meds daily. It’s better for me that way lol

Do you mean that you get all your doses individually, daily? Instead of a monthly supply?

 

[pixies+]

Do you mean that you get all your doses individually, daily? Instead of a monthly supply?

Yup. It wasn’t always that way. But given my history of taking multiple handfuls of medication, my doctor felt it would be best for me. As much as I don’t love having to go every day, it’s not the worst thing he could’ve done. I have to go everyday anyways because I’m prescribed diazepam while on suboxone lol

 

[pixies+]

Stupid bullshit laws. No take homes with benzos.
However.. he could be a real cunt if he wanted to - (you either love or hate him) his reviews crack me the fuck up. Whenever a pissed off addict doesn’t get what they want they call him an asshole on google reviews

but he’s never been like that with me. I love the man honestly.

 

[drewbocop]

Yup. It wasn’t always that way. But given my history of taking multiple handfuls of medication, my doctor felt it would be best for me. As much as I don’t love having to go every day, it’s not the worst thing he could’ve done. I have to go everyday anyways because I’m prescribed diazepam while on suboxone lol

It is what it is. If that's what needs to be done, so be it. It's inconvenient, but it also helps retrain you to live and dose like a normal person would. I've fallen back in my recovery recently and I'm doing obscene amounts of 7-oh and trying to force myself to do small doses and less frequently is really hard. It's stressing me out. I want out lol

 

[pixies+]

It is what it is. If that's what needs to be done, so be it. It's inconvenient, but it also helps retrain you to live and dose like a normal person would. I've fallen back in my recovery recently and I'm doing obscene amounts of 7-oh and trying to force myself to do small doses and less frequently is really hard. It's stressing me out. I want out lol

That’s something I’ve never tried. Or anything of the sort really. I’ve never even seen kratom lol so I have no clue what the effects make you feel like.. I’ve heard so many mixed reviews. Some say it makes them jittery, some people are calm cool and collected and it helps them live like normal. And I don’t know that particular withdrawal.. but I empathize

Sorry youre not where you’d like to be with it. You seem like you have an idea as to what you’re doing though lol

 

[Lux Exterior]

When I first heard of people taking kratom I thought it was some kind of nutritional additive, never got to try it before they made it illegal. It was around the same time that headshops started selling edibles along with salvia/spice, certain that’s what caused it. There was some kind of loophole before.

 

[Generation *DMT*]

Valium? Rohypnol? I don't know.

 

[helium-4]

You take up to a double dose of Flexeril every night? Man, I'd be in permanent zombie mode. That stuff sticks with me for what feels like DAYS even at 10mg.-



Have you tried pramipexole or ropinirole for your RLS yet? Dopamine agonists. Someone on another site recommended it to me for 7-oh/kratom issues. Swears by it. I'm going to try getting my hands on it at my next doctor visit.

Edit: Sorry I added another reply and deleted my first post after someone already replied to me. This thread moving fast...

I've tried both pram and ropin; pam left me feeling super somnolence I couldn't deal with and made me feel more impulsive which scared me. I did have a hell of a dissociative dream state with pram and mxe were I watched myself go into and out a meat grinder (I was working as a butcher for a grocery store at the time) with no emotional feelings to do anything but just watch a David lynch scene that was meant to draw you in.

Ropinirole now I really really liked, but it caused all my muscles to start cramping super painfully. Shame because man, it made everything beautiful seem euphoric from the sheer beauty. Music became more immersive.

I'm trying to get an appointment with a neurologist here that actually is taking new patients and isn't a year out to try and get back on Clonazepam for PLMS but I'm worried about my methadone dose even though my provider at the clinic said they would go to bat for me saying how they think even long term Clonazepam use would be beneficial for me. Right now I just get a script for Clonazepam taper for my benzo use, but I'm honestly using it as a buffer hopefully till I can get back to seeing a neurologist like I used.

 

[pixies+]

Do you mean that you get all your doses individually, daily? Instead of a monthly supply?

They come in a strip. I have witnessed suboxone and take the rest home.

 

[pixies+]

I usually don’t have a big problem falling asleep. My big problem is constantly waking up. I’ll fall asleep and within 30 min. to an hour I’ll be awake. Temazepam is the only med that tends to keep me asleep for usually 3 to 4 hours straight and that’s great sleep for me.

I miss temazepam. I really liked that for sleep.