Best psychedelic for consciousness without context? Assuming need for low dose.

[trogere]

MDMA + ket is THE thing for meditation.

 

[johannes kreisler]

imo contemplation is just as worthwhile as meditation. for me activities like endurance sports or playing an instrument can bring me as far/deep as any meditational practice I tried.
btw if you look closely many people practice some sort of awareness increasing activity - without even noticing/labeling it. (think of your knitting grandma...) just a little bit of empowerment can turn such an activity into spiritual practice - again without labeling it as such...
the notion of "and now I meditate!" can be quite an obstacle for further progress. if it comes to spiritual practice (and also theory) I go with the "for each his own"-paradigm. human beings are fuckin cool...so creative...so diverse!

 

[astralprojectee]

Zen, the retreat I did in the past was Zen, the group I am in now weekly is as well, I do all this together with my best friend / housemate, and we will both be going on another retreat in a month that is also Zen.
Yet I don't really feel like I am compartmentalizing / that other kinds are wrong or that I follow in a tradition. I try not to, right now I am reading a book "Buddhism without beliefs", because I like it to be provisional but not at all like any religion. I just like Zen because it is self-limiting in its own pretention and it works for me.

Anyway I wonder what other substances people would suggest, of course most psychedelics can have potential but I would like to know which ones you find exceptional for this and why.

Zen is cool. I like it since it does not have the baggage of most other religions. It's very practical and down to earth. Also I found in another thread that 2C-C might be good for meditation.

MDMA + ket is THE thing for meditation.

Sounds interesting, thanks. I've always thought a Dissociative would be probably good for meditation as they say in meditation to try to be detached. Obviously not so detached that you get depersonalization or Derealization disorder or something but.

human beings are fuckin cool...so creative...so diverse!

Yes creativity and diversity are really good for us.

 

[EarthBounded]

By L do you mean LSD?

Thanks Crashing.

Peace.

Yup LSD

 

[trogere]

Sounds interesting, thanks. I've always thought a Dissociative would be probably good for meditation as they say in meditation to try to be detached. Obviously not so detached that you get depersonalization or Derealization disorder or something but.

I really enjoy meditation with breathing exercises while on a mid-doze of mdma and small bumps of ket. it's so easy to feel the energy inside your body and to push it over your head. when breathing out, it feels so good!!

 

[astralprojectee]

I really enjoy meditation with breathing exercises while on a mid-doze of mdma and small bumps of ket. it's so easy to feel the energy inside your body and to push it over your head. when breathing out, it feels so good!!

Humm thanks.

 

[TheAppleCore]

I believe I understand what you're trying to say, but I really see it as word play at best.

Nope.

That's actually what makes Buddhahood so elusive - it's deceptively simple. Nirvana results from desiring nothing. You don't just have to give up your material desires. You also must give up even your desire to achieve nirvana itself! Because, nirvana IS the absence of desire.

Some people, upon deciding that there's no compelling reason to do anything at all, may naturally find themselves sitting in lotus with their eyes closed. THIS is what I would consider legitimate meditation. I, however, don't naturally find myself sitting and self-contemplating, when I have freed myself from desire. I find myself making a sandwich.

 

[johannes kreisler]

Well I only tried 3-MeO-PCP once but I did it right i.e. the dosage was enough for a full experience but without proceeding to mania (I did feel it lurking). 12 mg first, followed by 7 mg a few hours later. I think with only the initial 12 mg, or even lower for others since I have serious dissociative tolerance, would be plenty for meditation.

just went through the big&dandy on 3-meo-pcp. compound sounds fuckin mad and dangerous - in the way that already brought me off MXE. nevertheless I just plugged 6mg, another 4 already in solution. let's see. XD


ad nirvana: the only state reachable during our lifetime that I'd consider "nirvana", is a classic ++++. or ++++ is nirvana by (my) definition. I'll never forget the moment when I broke through to my 1st ++++ on semilanceata. I even wrote a note: "this is it. I am there."(in english oddly enough) there was no doubt that I was in this mystical space every religion has a name for: paradise, nirvana.... pure oceanic consciousness.
imo the state that can be reached via meditation/contemplation and awareness shares (among others) the sense of 'desirelessness' but is nowhere close to nirvana. the state of nirvana is not meant to be "lived". you cannot be in both realms at the same time. as (long as you are) a human being you simply need the ego as a tool to communicate with the world.


....oh well, the drug slowly takes hold. :D
btw: does anyone of you have a solution for the following problem: the more I fall into universal love the less sense I see in personal love. sometimes I even doubt it can be a spiritual goal in the first place - as it always seems to involve the ego. maybe personal/sexual relationships can uncover the dark spots of our psyche/ego and force us to grow and transcend. that's my current "solution" but I'm not really happy with it. the root of my unhappiness is probably that personal love inevitably involves emotions and a loss of control - a loss of awareness that is.
I hope I find a solution for this problem before I actually meet a woman I can't resist... (my guess is that she's gonna pop up the moment I find my solution - or vice versa.)

-> 3-meo-pcp-voice in the back of my head: "maybe today's the day!!" I can see where this shit is going... gonna plug the rest now and take a shower. haha