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Around here they don't seem to do a benzo taper at all om script you have to go into a detox / mnetal health clinic....and I aint going back there
 
wooger said:
I asked my dr for pregabalin for anxiety and he was just like 'NO, it's addictive and not good for anxiety anyway'. Hopefully yours feels differently :)

I have heard of people using grapefruit juice to stretch benzos out a very long time if they have a limited supply so perhaps you could try that.

Mind you this same dr wouldn't prescribe me bupropion, he claimed that was addictive too. I don't think he knows what he is talking about.... come to think about it I'm not sure he's even a real dr....
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im quite pleased its been 3-4 days since my last diaz dose (60mg with grapefruit juice) and no noticeable withdrawals, usually its 2 days, maybe the grapefruit juice is just prolonging the time its gonna take for them to kick in, or ive got lucky with this latest binge and wont withdraw.

Im still going to ask my doc for pregbalin to try as i need something for GAD, and yeah it all depends on the doc, mine is brilliant and listens to everything ive got to say and considers most things.
 
As I mentioned here before I've recently dropped the booze for Diaz (not on script).

So far everything is peachy, as you would expect, apart from feeling a bit tired after a larger dose I'm free of all the unpleasant side effect
( I wont elaborate but it was getting difficult to deal with ) of half a bottle of scotch everyday.

I realize I'm going to have to face up and taper off the diaz at some point BTU can anyone offer experience on how long it takes to get a serious problem with this stuff, the patient info leaflet is full of Shiite, obviously.

I'm using, at a best guess considering there'r cheap, "imports" 60mg a day.
 
atm23 said:
As I mentioned here before I've recently dropped the booze for Diaz (not on script).

So far everything is peachy, as you would expect, apart from feeling a bit tired after a larger dose I'm free of all the unpleasant side effect
( I wont elaborate but it was getting difficult to deal with ) of half a bottle of scotch everyday.

I realize I'm going to have to face up and taper off the diaz at some point BTU can anyone offer experience on how long it takes to get a serious problem with this stuff, the patient info leaflet is full of Shiite, obviously.

I'm using, at a best guess considering there'r cheap, "imports" 60mg a day.
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Alright mate. How are you finding the Diaz as a substitute for the booze ?
I use it now and again but havent stopped drinking either
 
I've stopped the booze altogther, it one or the other for me. Its been OK I'm juts not sure what kind of hole I'm diggin myself with the Diaz. The doc was no help, told me to cut down and gave me seom Vitamines !
 
a very very big hole, dont use benzos for long, long term addicts sometiems report PAWs lasting months even years, they are the worst drug to be addicted too imo (although at least your giving your body a break from the alcohol).
 
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What in your opinion is Long term, the symptoms of PAWs read just like the ones I have now from the booze !
 
well i finished my valium taper about a year ago, im still suffering :/

Ive had a few issues with drink since whcih would of prolonged them (both gaba a), but still, its a long long time.

Just tread carefully, find a doc so you can be on them supervised and not relying on buying online/street.
 
Do GP's prescribe Benzos for giving up alcohol ?
I would have though that would not be a great idea for someone who already had an addiction problem
 
Usually they'll go for a reducing regime of chlordiazepoxide (librium). They don't tend to do it unless they know and trust you, as they don't want you drinking alongside it. Some GPs won't do it at all and refer you on to specialist services..
 
effie said:
Usually they'll go for a reducing regime of chlordiazepoxide (librium). They don't tend to do it unless they know and trust you, as they don't want you drinking alongside it. Some GPs won't do it at all and refer you on to specialist services..
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I had to literally beg my dr. Finally I found one willing and he caved, I couldn't be more grateful to him, he is awesome :).

Bit controversial but if they refer you to 'specialist services' my advice would be dont even bother.

If you can just get some benzos and detox yourself (preferably chlordiazepoxide or diazepam), if a friend can help out that would be ideal. Also, I know drs reduce the benzo dosage, but you actually do not have to do this. You won't be taking the benzos for long and the long half life benzos will be self tapering.

But seriously, I got referred to an addiction place and it took around 3 months to even be seen, and when I was seen I was just told to cut down gradually.

Completely pointless.
 
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i have a taper script of valium now im on ten m a day bit i have at least 1000 blues always just in case i know i could eat a thousand blues n wake up half hr later benzo's r the worst
 
Been surviving on a taper, well actually 30mg/day and i'm meant to go down by 5mg today, had 20mg today so that leave 5mg for sleep, doubt thatl work. Exhausted from fucked up sleep patterns though so i'll kip anyways :D

Though i'm being a complete idiot and using opiates pretty heavily just to feel normal/nice rather than shit all the time, the 30mg has me just about able to function properly, and i'm gonna knock the opiates on the head before i end up with a habit with them also.

But yeah, i can get outta bed! Never though something so trivial would feel so good, not gonna try CT again it just never seemed to end haha and was getting worse not better.

Most doctors dont perscribe benzos as a general rule, i've only ever been scripted them for a taper once years ago, for anxiety and insomnia they chucked propranolol (beta blocker) at me which was pretty useless
 
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Sorry if you have already answered this but how much wrere you taking when on it full time?
 
if a doctor refuses you a taper programme even if you admit you were buying online/streets, im sure thats still illegal, all docs ive been too have said they have too, as the symptoms can get so serious.
 
i think it depends on whether the doctor believes you want to taper or customs have seized your next batch or something, plus some subjectivity. i'm not sure legality comes into it. in a perfect world, the law says leave the qualified experts to it, though we know thats not the case with drug policy i suspect it is with medicine.

i was refused benzos by a doc despite presenting evidence that i'd been on a script for a year in a different country. apparently NICE say they shouldn't be prescribed to anybody on anti depressants. i think thats shitty cos depression and anxiety go hand in hand, but kinda makes sense given depression probably makes you more likely to abuse (in the BL not Fail sense) substances.

have been scripted them in the UK, after being clearly a mess under a lot of medical supervision for several months. they suggested pointlessly small doses.

Kronos- good luck and keep it up! you've come down a massive amount already. hope you keep the opiates under control.
 
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I was presecribed Citilopram on the same script as Diaz and Zopidem !!
 
when???

it wouldn't surprise me if some docs still break the rules, the guy who refused my script totally fucked me over in the long term so certainly falls under the 'arsehold gp' category.
 
atm23 said:
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Sorry if you have already answered this but how much wrere you taking when on it full time?
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Hey mate its hard to say, i was taking all different kinds of benzos, for the best part of a year it was at least 80mg a day, usually around 100-150mg and sometimes as high as 300-400mg (only a few times like this though, and once or twice around 700mg during a 'fuckit' binge, surprised i didnt OD).

Stupid doses, really stupid. My use spiked after losing my job at christmas, averaging 150mg a day, then in march after moving back to live with my parents due to lack of money i started bringing the dose down, limiting myself to around 80mg a day. Then 11th of april, after doing half a gram of stonking mdma i tried to get some kip using diaz and etizolam. Over 200mg of diaz and 10mg of etizolam taken before i gave up and accepted that i've fucked my tolerance so much that they dont even help with comedowns anymore, i couldnt sleep at all for a good 24 hours after i took the benzos, so that was when i made a decision to quit.

Went to my GP who is also the GP at drug treatment facilities and who i've known for ages and knows my past etc for advice on a taper plan (made it clear i wasnt after a script, they're so easy to get local itd be pointless), and started a taper on the 16th at 50mg, a startingdose lower than reccomended by the GP but i didnt want to drag it out any longer than i had to. Sleep was a bit fucked and i felt uncomfortable all the time, but it was liveable.

Slipped up a few times, also occasionally had a different benzo to diaz but stuck pretty well to the taper, tapered down to 40mg (reducing 5mg every few days), then on 2nd may decided to quit cold turkey. Which was hell.
Back on a taper, sticking to 30mg, meant to be cutting down to 25 today but i think thats cutting down too quick. Wish i knew where to buy 2mg diaz's, cutting down 2mg every few days would be easily doable, and cutting a 10mg pill into quarters never works it always crumbles and cracks.

In short: I've been on and off benzos for around 4-5 years, quit cold turkey once from an 60mg/day habit, was back on them a few months later and got a taper then from my doc and got back off them, and been using heavily for a while now. I really don't know how long its all turned into a blur again.

30mg a days nothing to me though, gives me no recreational effects at all, and though i feel pretty shit all day i can function. This might be due to the opiates though, masking the aching in my body i get during WD and allowing me to feel a little better. I'll spends tomorrow - tues opiate free and see how that goes methinks :), and cheers chinup :)

Wow, hell of a long post, had some dexies earlier for a little extra energy ha
 
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