Benzo Discussion Vol. 3 (I think? Last night's a blur..)

[Kronos]

got some msj blues, delicious

 

[breakcorefiend]

Cheekily acquired a scripted 5mg vallie from my brother as he got 7 scripted (yes..7 lol)

With a quick scratch of the label the quantity disappeared lol, so he still has his 6 lol, feeling fucking nice from this 5mg!

Makes me think that the majority of illicit Diaz I've done are mostly shite! Ever seen a yellow with a scoreline and 'd5' on the other side? Whatever brand they are they are nice :D

 

[rockstar 69]

Just found an msj on my table so it's been swiped, definately feel 1 of them, not bad at the price I originally got them for.

I've also heard there are actually a good batch of Stada D-10's going round here. I had 1 of them last sunday after a couple of nights on the flakey shit, I'm not too sure should have chewed it to see what they tasted like but I reckon they were actually sound. Just pretty wary of Stada's in general after all the bad press they had. They didn't look like the dodgy ones going round a while back.

 

[brimz]

Recently got my hands on nitrazepam bromazepam and clonazepam. Anyone recommend their favourites out of these and reasons why?ive usually stuck to traditional Valium and alprazolam (occasionally alp. But I'm not a fan due to the next day rage)

Just go easy on all that . Trust me .

Nitarazepam has along half life you will still be drowsy the next day so if your taking any opiates be really careful . IN fact just be careful alright

 

[Acid4Blood]

Took 1mg flunitrazepam (legit Roche Rohypnol) last weekend after a night on the flake.
Had 2 pints with my fry the next morning & was fighting to stay awake.
Then I checked the benzo equivalency chart & saw that the metabolite half-life was up to 200 hours! Same as diazepam. Suprised me. Didn't realise it had such a long half-life.
Anyway, was wide awake after another bit of flake! %)

 

[WayneRooney]

Quick question, just been on what has FOR ME been a bit of an extended benzo binge.

Let's say 6 weeks, I've taken on average 20-30mg diaz a day, and about 25mg (spread across that 6 weeks) of xanax. Prior to this 6 weeks I'd gone a month on absolutely no benzo's. And prior to that month I used diaz sparingly and sporadically, say averaging 50-100mg a month, and that had been the case for the prior year or so. Never touched them before that.

Now my question is, considering this mini binge (I don't know how severe a binge it is in comparison to others on here), how should I go about cutting back to my prior, very sporadic usage....in fact I'd like to cut down to using on an as needed basis (which would be very rarely <50 a month).
IF i was to go cold-turkey, would I notice any withdrawal effects (anxiety, insomnia ect) kick in before the risk of seizure arrived? Because I HAVE got diaz available to me, and my plan was to only take any more in the next week or so if I feel the starts of withdrawal coming on.
Is this silly?
Can seizures occur: A) at the doses I was taking over 6 weeks, and B) before any other signs at all of withdrawal become apparent?

I'f prefer to do it that way, but if the answer to A and B is yes, then of course I'll maybe take 10 mg tomorrow, skip a day, then 5mg, skip a day and a last 5 mg?

Thanks.
I just want to stop be scared about this silly binge and get back to valium being valuable for its functionality to me without worrying me.

 

[Mailmonkey]

I'f prefer to do it that way, but if the answer to A and B is yes, then of course I'll maybe take 10 mg tomorrow, skip a day, then 5mg, skip a day and a last 5 mg?

You've certainly been taking enough to warrant worrying about dependency issues.

What you mention above is not a suitable taper, it's not a taper at all. Google The Ashton manual for a proper taper schedule, i think most people, unless they've been very high dose and long term users can get through the taper quicker than Ashton suggests, but what she suggests IS the safest way of doing things.....



Y

 

[Cornishman]

Cheekily acquired a scripted 5mg vallie from my brother as he got 7 scripted (yes..7 lol)

With a quick scratch of the label the quantity disappeared lol, so he still has his 6 lol, feeling fucking nice from this 5mg!

Makes me think that the majority of illicit Diaz I've done are mostly shite! Ever seen a yellow with a scoreline and 'd5' on the other side? Whatever brand they are they are nice :D

Qft.

Most peeps don't appreciate what a nice euphoric substance diazepam is.
Seems like those blue HKs have gone off the radar for the time being.

 

[WayneRooney]

You've certainly been taking enough to warrant worrying about dependency issues.

What you mention above is not a suitable taper, it's not a taper at all. Google The Ashton manual for a proper taper schedule, i think most people, unless they've been very high dose and long term users can get through the taper quicker than Ashton suggests, but what she suggests IS the safest way of doing things.....



Y

Cheers appreciate the advice. Im willing to suffer the minor withdrawal for a few days. I just want to know whether a seizure could hit me out of the blue without any prior warning?

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Cheers appreciate the advice. Im willing to suffer the minor withdrawal for a few days. I just want to know whether a seizure could hit me out of the blue without any prior warning?

Yes i believe it could. 6 weeks of sustained use is long enough for the body to adjust and down regulate its own gaba production. So if you just abruptly stopped you'd almost certainly get bad rebound anxiety & insomnia, at the very least. Not sure how high the risk of seizures would be, but it would definately be a risk.

As MM suggests look up the ashton manual, or there are loads of other benzo taper threads on BL and all around the net in other places too. They key thing is gradual reductions. Seriously, you could die otherwise, it is that serious.

On a different point relating to benzos, has anyone mentioned memory blackouts on this thread ? Ive not read all of this thread.
Been having some bad ones recently. Most often involving waking up in the morning and finding a crushed up cigarette and burn hole in my sheet. I have no recollection of lighting up those cigs. (i spose i should leave the cigs downstairs or something as this is obviously a foolish and irresponsible thing to be doing - fortunately my matress and duvet and pillows are all fireproof though - plus im sure id wake up if i could feel myself being burned !! 8). I love smoking in bed though, and feeling the etizolams kick in as i attempt to read a book.

The other night i took some of those chocolate digestive biscuit bars you get in the individual wrappers to bed as was feelin a big attack of munchies. Yes you can guess what's coming, i woke in the morning to find chocolate everywhere, all over my face,hands, arms and chest, t shirt, pillow and sheets LOL. I had no recollection whatsoever of starting to eat that final biscuit....

 

[maxalfie]

After a night on valium I am almost certain to wake up in the morning and find half smoked roll ups inside my bed.
Its a wonder I haven't ever burnt myself or set the bed on fire, and I can never recall even smoking them.

 

[WayneRooney]

Yes i believe it could. 6 weeks of sustained use is long enough for the body to adjust and down regulate its own gaba production. So if you just abruptly stopped you'd almost certainly get bad rebound anxiety & insomnia, at the very least. Not sure how high the risk of seizures would be, but it would definately be a risk.

As MM suggests look up the ashton manual, or there are loads of other benzo taper threads on BL and all around the net in other places too. They key thing is gradual reductions. Seriously, you could die otherwise, it is that serious.

On a different point relating to benzos, has anyone mentioned memory blackouts on this thread ? Ive not read all of this thread.
Been having some bad ones recently. Most often involving waking up in the morning and finding a crushed up cigarette and burn hole in my sheet. I have no recollection of lighting up those cigs. (i spose i should leave the cigs downstairs or something as this is obviously a foolish and irresponsible thing to be doing - fortunately my matress and duvet and pillows are all fireproof though - plus im sure id wake up if i could feel myself being burned !! 8). I love smoking in bed though, and feeling the etizolams kick in as i attempt to read a book.

The other night i took some of those chocolate digestive biscuit bars you get in the individual wrappers to bed as was feelin a big attack of munchies. Yes you can guess what's coming, i woke in the morning to find chocolate everywhere, all over my face,hands, arms and chest, t shirt, pillow and sheets LOL. I had no recollection whatsoever of starting to eat that final biscuit....

I understand I may get bad rebound and anxiety.................but could this be PREceeded by the more serious risk of a seizure??? If I get bad rebound anxiety or bad insomnia, or even feel weird in the slightest, I'll do a lil' taper......

But if seizures without such prior warnings/withdrawal symptoms I'll do a taper.

 

[Kronos]

after 6 weeks of use with a slight history, i'd say a seizure is very unlikely if you stoppeed CT, i'd be worried about dependency though and you'l most likely feel uncomfortable for a bit, try a rapid taper just to eliminate the risk entirely but so you don't prolong the suffering

 

[Treacle]

I reckon there's hardly any chance of a seizure. I bet you could stop, and you might get some anxiety and insomnia.

To the person that said Actavis are fake - you're wrong. I get scripted the yellows, and there's nothing fake about them.

 

[Where Wolf?]

I don't think anyone who's been using benzos at even therapeutic doses on a daily basis for more than a few weeks, if that, should CT. I've read on this forum of someone having a grand mal seizure a few weeks after quitting 'script diaz, and they'd been on it for less than a month. Everyone, I assume, has a different seizure threshold, and of the many accounts I've read of seizures in withdrawal, there was no mention of any 'warning.' In fact, I've only heard of 'seizure warnings' in cases of epilepsy - Dostoevsky apparently felt a brief sensation of indescribable bliss before throwing a grand mal.

Given the severe potential risks, and that depending on the benzo and half-life concerned, withdrawal may not manifest for several weeks after cessation, tapering is essential after even a relatively brief period of use. Six weeks PROBABLY represents a low seizure risk, but is it worth taking the chance? There are other DT symptoms such as psychotic episodes that can come with benzo withdrawal that are in themselves reason enough to taper.

And there are fake Actavis out there, fake wwws, fake HKs, fakes of every brand and kind and supposed dose imaginable. Fake diaz is all over the UK market - much of it probably full of phenaz or etizolam or RC benzo analogues - and even generally reliable suppliers have ended up with subs-standard shit a lot of late. Luckily, I found some real Dow diaz today (I'm addicted and was down to 10 weak wwws in the tin). Hoping to fuck I can get prescribed a proper taper, but all past attempts have failed.

 

[Kronos]

^If you want a script, you're gonna have to want to get off em. Depends on the doctor too, be be completely honest with your use to them and they (might) script you a taper, it wont be pretty, it'l be fucking torture, even the dose the y start you on will be uncomfortable, but at least you wont rely on the black market/vendors and can hopefully get off em.. if thats what you want. Itd be really really hard not to buy on top of the script too

 

[Where Wolf?]

^If you want a script, you're gonna have to want to get off em. Depends on the doctor too, be be completely honest with your use to them and they (might) script you a taper, it wont be pretty, it'l be fucking torture, even the dose the y start you on will be uncomfortable, but at least you wont rely on the black market/vendors and can hopefully get off em.. if thats what you want. Itd be really really hard not to buy on top of the script too

Well. I got my doc's appointment in an hour, and I know he's got a bit of a past, himself: and is old enough that he won't have been steeped in the 'never prescribe benzos save for flight anxiety' bullshit they teach junior doctors these days. I'll see how it goes....wish me luck...

(and yeah, it'll be difficult not to buy additional supplies...except I HATE spending days looking for the things, waiting for emails to be answered, nervously waiting for packages to arrive, and then nervously waiting to see if they're for real or fakes). TBH, like most addicts, part of why I want to quit is the time, tension and risk involved in maintaining benzo dependency through a dodgy black market where even good suppliers can go from dark blue knockout HKs to shit www 'd10s' that are more like 2-5mgs, or something else entirely: it's just not worth it, for a drug that, once you're hooked, produces no real effect but the negative of preventing withdrawal. So I want off, and quickly...I just hope I get a sympathetic hearing.

 

[backroll]

^Let us know how it went at the doctors mate. Hope it went OK, very interested to see what he says as well

 

[Where Wolf?]

^Let us know how it went at the doctors mate. Hope it went OK, very interested to see what he says as well

I'm in a state of happy disbelief. I 'fessed up, to a (carefully selected, after past GPs wouldn't help me) doc who asked intelligent questions, was completely non-judgemental, suggested a 12-month taper dropping 2mgs a week, and was obviously surprised/impressed when I said 'no, I want to try 5mgs a week, at least to start with.' Think he could see that I really want off this shit, wrote me a 2-week 'script and I'll head back in 10 days to discuss how it's going. Couldn't have gone better - he said to call in if things got rough, no lectures, no bullshit, just a rational, clinical pragmatism that was a very pleasant surprise.

It is a postcode lottery, but two bad experiences and a year of failing to taper solo on black/grey market supplies have taught me:

1. Find a doctor in their 50s or 60s, who will have more experience, and knows what you're talking about when you mention the Ashton Manual.

2. Be completely honest about doses, length of habit, and all the rest. When I told him I was on 60-70mgs a day, he didn't blink, just said 'well, we'd best go slow or you'll be fitting on the floor.'

3. Don't play games and try to get 'scripted something 'fun' or more than you need.

4. DON'T give up on the NHS after one or two bad experiences - there's still some good docs out there.

5. Don't kid yourself that it's weakness to need help, or strength to go it alone. Trying to taper solo proved impossible for me, and has dragged this out much longer than necessary. Plus I've wasted thousands of pounds on black-market benzos, getting weak batches, risking possession charges, and being offered a choice of benzos - Xanax, Temaz, Nitrazepam - that were too tempting to resist buying, impossible for me not to abuse, and kept fucking up tapers when I'd got down to low-medium doses.

So I know it'll be a hard road from here, but I feel I've won the postcode lottery - and while I know it'll be temping to supplement, skint as I am, I'm done with paying black market rates for what are always mystery pills, unknown doses, some inactive (never been that unlucky, but I know many have,and the market's being flooded with blue chalk), some probably blued-up etizolam/phenaz from before the ban or pyrazolam/random RC analogues sold as diaz at extortionate rates. DON'T GIVE UP, HELP MAY BE HARD TO FIND, BUT IT'S OUT THERE.

So God bless Dr X, and God bless the NHS!

 

[jancrow]

Wonderful news! Hope the wds are not too horrendous, but the above is all excellent news.