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Benzo Discussion Vol. 3 (I think? Last night's a blur..)

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Had couple of bags of gear earlier and was feeling quite nice.
Stuck a couple of valium under my tongue and let them melt and then washed them down with a hot cup of tea.
Within about 20mins I was passed out on my bed. For some reason a hot cup of tea always brings on the valium effects really quickly.
 
I have a theory (well more of a question).

It regards Etizolam and Diazepam and their cross-tolerance. Well not in relation to their effects on needing more and more of either to achieve the desired effect (because I think they do have this type of cross-tolereance), so cross tolerance was probably the wrong word.

I'm talking about the effects of withdrawal and rebound anxiety/seizure-risk ect. I've never had 'bad' withdrawal effects from either. I've never taken either in large doses over a sustained period of time without the odd break here or there. But recently, after probably my biggest break from benzo's in 2 years (3 weeks in all). I then went on what I'd probably call an etiz binge (100 etillam in just under a month). I then had a five days break in which I had the minor-est of rebound anxiety for maybe day 3/4. I then had a diaz binge of about 50 10mg in a week. And since stopping, 5 days ago. I've felt perfect.

So my question was can etiz and traditional benzo's be alternated between use to avoid any sort of danger of withdrawal symptoms should one want or have to take an indefinite break? Because I'm sure if all that use I had was purely diazepam and I suddenly stopped, i'd have some pretty sketchy anxiety rebound. And I know etiz is 'reportedly' less dangerous in terms of withdrawing from, I'm likewise sure that had it been purely etiz I'd used in those amounts I would have run into some sort of problems when stopping.

By the way, I'm not planning on doing this (alternating etiz with diaz so I can live my life constantly on benzo's - I'm infact taking an indefinite break now). I was just interested in what you guys think in this regard?
 
WayneRooney said:
So my question was can etiz and traditional benzo's be alternated between use to avoid any sort of danger of withdrawal symptoms should one want or have to take an indefinite break?
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Definitely not. They act on the same receptors, so even though etizolam isn't strictly a benzodiazepine, the withdrawal syndrome is pretty much identical.

WayneRooney said:
I then went on what I'd probably call an etiz binge (100 etillam in just under a month). I then had a five days break in which I had the minor-est of rebound anxiety for maybe day 3/4. I then had a diaz binge of about 50 10mg in a week. And since stopping, 5 days ago. I've felt perfect.
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That sounds pretty normal to me. The etizolam (and metabolites) would have been well out of your system by the time you had the diaz 'binge', so besides having raised your benzo tolerance considerably, your prior consumption of etiz won't have been of any consequence.

I recently made the silly mistake of using diaz almost daily for a few weeks, followed by etizolam daily for a similar length of time. Even with an attempted taper, the withdrawal and rebound anxiety were as bad as (if not worse) than if I'd been using diazepam exclusively over the same period.
 
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SamhainGrim said:
Definitely not. They act on the same receptors, so even though etizolam isn't strictly a benzodiazepine, the withdrawal syndrome is pretty much identical.



That sounds pretty normal to me. The etizolam (and metabolites) would have been well out of your system by the time you had the diaz 'binge', so besides having raised your benzo tolerance considerably, your prior consumption of etiz won't have been of any consequence.

I recently made the silly mistake of using diaz almost daily for a few weeks, followed by etizolam daily for a similar length of time. Even with an attempted taper, the withdrawal and rebound anxiety were as bad as (if not worse) than if I'd been using diazepam exclusively over the same period.
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Thanks for the reply. Benzo's have been a really saviour for me over the last two years. (well saviour is a huge exaggeration, but they've sure helped me become a better person and live a better life - with little or no consequences).

I've just been a little silly in the last 2-3 weeks after having my longest break from them since my first discovery. And wondered whether I was being any more 'sensible' by alternating use.

I've definetly noticed the tolerance rise in my diaz needs after over-doing etiz aswel.

So I guess the only advantage of having these two options now (etiz or diaz....the only two I can get for cheap) is what you hinted at. After an etiz period of prolonged daily use (week or so) a break of 4-5 days means I'm back to base level (not in terms of tolerance) in that they're out my system, and switching to diaz isn't going contribute to any metabolites still in the system. Obviously wouldn't work the other way around due to diaz's long half life. Its just a nicer benzo to be able to switch to for a change :)

Anyway time to stop being silly with both of these and just use them for functional purposes (job interviews/meetings/social lubricant) (I think my tolerance is actually too high now for me to even use them as a recreational drug at the moment)
 
WW is quite a reliable press ive been taking valium for about 6/7 years for comedowns and ive never had any shockers from that stamp but I do always get nevous buying street vals in Glasgow. P.s the last etizolam I got off a known vendor were fucking shite and a fortune compared to the cheap n cheery etilaam.
 
They love 'em in Scotland. Says it all really. ;)

I think the 'WW' is supposed to be 'MA', but everyone knows them as WWs. In all likelihood there are plenty of different batches doing the rounds, so as always it's a lottery, more or less.
 
Still no news from Doppelganga people?
Its been a while now since he said he got some pills from some sketchy place.
Sounds a bit worrying that he hasn't been on here since that post.
 
Treacle said:
I have 15mg every 2-3 days. It's not a high dose, and I'm pretty much covered for 48 hours. Not had any major issues with them, at all. I'm psychologically dependent on them, simply due to anxiety, but I don't ever feel any real urge to take them, unless I start feeling shit. I've been on them 6-7 years now. I still feel every dose, and hardly ever need more than 15mg - even after big nights. Tolerance is less than it was 5 years ago (used to take 20mg).
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Have you tried shorter half life benzos? Howd they work for you? currently having etiz to try curb my anxiety, but if i miss a dose in the morning its a torture of a day, but cause its legal i dont have a problem with taking it daily, though if i go for much longer it'l probably be psychosis if i ever gotta withdraw again, im dabbling with etiz since its legal and the stress of bags of valium if caught its something i cannae be dealing with atm
 
Hi CK, how much Etiz you takin, if you don't mind me asking I never got anything off the stuff when I had a tolerance. I understand the attraction of easy purchase and legal possession though, one less thing to worry about.
 
atm =D, i dunno lost my mg scales ad im on powder so id guess round ~2-5mg/day, i'm almost scared to not to take it because people've told me how bad it was for them when i was psychotic on withdrawals.. but at the same time if i'm not on benzos im not me i'm an anxious mess and thats hurts me way more than being a closet drug addict.. :(. Yeah its easier since i can just keep a bag on me and dab when it gets rough rather tan a big bag of diaz, and since im with post-addict services that help me find courses and volunteer stuff to do it gets too much to tell them i'm on benzos again (even if it isnt opiates) so i go along with it. hows your taper/wd going?
 
That's way less than you were doing, which is a sterling bit of work I wouldn't be knocking yourself for that, if you need a bit of help to get by then so be it, maybe it will change someday, may be not, there are worse things in the world.

I've not touched any for over 6 weeks but I'm on loads of pain killers from an accident so that's probably been a help.
 
Boo.

I've missed you all! <3

edit lol this isn't gibberings. up all night effie fail :D
 
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fuck me. I.m opiate clean for the first time in forever. But now the benzo/alcohol
taper is truly killing me. I have some etiz coming to ease the pain. But im so fuckin miserable. I dont think i can do this right now, i just cant. Cant believe im here again, i promised myself last time that was it. Im such a fuck up.
 
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