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Benzo Discussion Vol. 3 (I think? Last night's a blur..)

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PillToChill said:
That's a slight exaggeration imho. Yes if you take 8mg you'll feel it, but 1x12mg bromazepam has a much more pronounced effect in me than 2x2mg rivotril. They have good anti-anxiety properties, but there's little sedation with clonazepam imo. Could be subjective, I don't know.

To all the people saying to avoid roche, you are talking about black market stuff right?
I used to sell off some of my meds (legally prescribed) when I was getting prescribed 10 times the amounts I needed. (I had two doctors prescribing me enormous amounts) All everyone ever wanted was 'roche' brand rivotril (clonazepam), valium & lexotan or pfizers temesta (=lorazepam) & xanax. Some didn't mind generics, but all preferred brand.. Especially with the benzo's I mentioned.

They where always legit and from the pharmacy.. But what did they know..

Anyways I'm not selling the stuff anymore, because having so many benzos lying around wasn't very good for me. =D
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I don't want them for sedation pal.

Bromazepam is not prescribed in the u.k .
I wish people would say where they are from when they post in this thread cos it makes a huge difference.

Right little Drug Dealing Criminal aren't you haha!!:)
 
kate said:
The production, source-like chat needs to stop now ok.
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Kate, could you please elaborate? I don't see any obvious sourcing. Can we not say Roche still make valium? I may have missed something, however!
 
Me neither tbh, it was more don't buy pakistani roches which is pretty standard decent advice.

These Apaurin valium are brilliant. I was getting generic blanks and wondered why people were complaining about them, but now I see why!
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These are very good aren't they. I had a heap of msj's recently and for all the stuff about them being tested as 8-30mg they felt not as strong or clean as the Apaurins - yet everyone said they were really nice strong & clean lol, which I agree with. The Apurins, HK's and Reichters are the way to go, so damn expensive though. Get a tub msj's for the price of 200 Apaurins!

Alpraz/xanax is not my cup of tea. Concidering the way you use diaz I can't see it would be yours either. At high (ish) doses it's just pure amnesia and because of the short half-life you end up boshing through your stash way quicker, even though it doesn't feel as good or relaxing.
 
rockstar 69 said:
Me neither tbh, it was more don't buy pakistani roches which is pretty standard decent advice.



These are very good aren't they. I had a heap of msj's recently and for all the stuff about them being tested as 8-30mg they felt not as strong or clean as the Apaurins - yet everyone said they were really nice strong & clean lol, which I agree with. The Apurins, HK's and Reichters are the way to go, so damn expensive though. Get a tub msj's for the price of 200 Apaurins!

Alpraz/xanax is not my cup of tea. Concidering the way you use diaz I can't see it would be yours either. At high (ish) doses it's just pure amnesia and because of the short half-life you end up boshing through your stash way quicker, even though it doesn't feel as good or relaxing.
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Yeah they definitely set you back a bit more compared to the msjs! I can't be doing with having that much diaz about any way. I can't even remember most of the weekend and I only bought 50 lol.
 
Anyone got a quick update on the latest info with those STADA blues???

My mate has the ones with STADA on one side & D-10 on the other. Are these real or not? I'm not going to buy any just to be on the safe side but I can't see him just flushing the ones he has based on me saying they might be dodgy.

These would have most likely been sourced from central/western Scotland.


Edit - By "real" I mean, are they diazepam? Not are they 100% genuine 10mg STADA diaz.
 
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They are 100% not diazepam. Amiltryptamines apparently. I did them once and they did feel a bit like vals just weak (before that article).

Best advice stay away, couple my mates been in hospital with them now here aswell, they were all that was about for a few weeks there.

And yes this is the ones that are well pressed with a 'D10' on the back. Everyone round here is trying to say it's only the crumbly ones that are fakes but it's dealer bullshit cos they can't shift them now.
 
Wouldn't worry too much I ate 25 in 3 days with booze I was ok, my mate tried to kill himself eating 500 of them at once and survived. I think it's the fact they are shit and not the potentially deadly status that's made them hard to sell for dealers round here, they are definately floating about but people know they shit.
 
atm23 said:
@PilltoChill what part of the globe are you from ? I cant see how you would manage to get 2 prescribing doctors in the UK, certainly not handing out repeats for large quantities of Benzos, so I'm interested as to where in Europe, or Africa your from.

Roche has just suffered from being a long time supplier of medical quality Benzos most famously holding the license for the name Valium.

Its hardly surprising that people producing essentially fake pills, active of otherwise would use the Roche stamp. What is really strange is how it seems that after street Roche branded pills became difficult to sell as so many people have had bad ones, Roche don't make them any more (valium I mean) Roche stamped ones are turning up and at least some are OK...how twisty turny is that:sus:
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I'm from Belgium, and yeah I guess you're right. I've just never had to buy them of the streets so I've never had fakes. =D

brimz said:
I don't want them for sedation pal.

Bromazepam is not prescribed in the u.k .
I wish people would say where they are from when they post in this thread cos it makes a huge difference.

Right little Drug Dealing Criminal aren't you haha!!:)
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Meh, I suppose. Atleast I was selling legit stuff, heh.

I reckon it's for anxiety you take it then?
If so, I do too, now. I used to exaggerate in doses, but am (finally) down to 10mg valium/day.
 
Hi, got a question for the more experienced benzo users.
I have been taking around 80mg of valium a week on average for about last 7 months or so.
I usually have 2 blues every other day. So say 2 on Monday then none Tues then another 2 on Wed etc.
I realise it will differ between people due to metabolism etc but would I be likely in your experience to suffer withdrawals from my use if I just stopped cold turkey?
I can handle feeling shit but it's the seizures that worry me. Would the amount I've been taking be enough to cause seizures from what any of you may know from yr own experiences?
 
I know where your coming from WDs are one thing but having a seizure could end up leading to all kinds of shit, not least physically hurting yourself, for me it's more the fear of having one at work, although TBH at home would scare the shot out of the long suffering Mrs atm :\

Given Diazepam's long half life I would still say you need to taper down, I wont post the link again but of you haven't done so already look up Heather Ashton's Benzo manual it's a great source of info. Your current usage is relativity low and tapering off IME would take a month ..ish. The schedules in the Ashton Manual are super safe and put together for really long term users so you can be a little more ambitious.

I should be done with my taper by the end of this month, I won't go into numbers but I take daily, I took an initial jump down to a fixed amount as I'd lost control altogether sat on that for a couple of weeks and then cut 10mgs every 7 days, I'm down to 20mgs now and will tail off in smaller increments.

Best to be safe IMO
 
I'm back on good old prescribed diazepam from the docs, picked it up yesterday, only 10-15mg a day though. Is pretty lucky as I had run out of etizolam a couple of days ago. I've another appointment with the doc on the 20th, I'm going to ask to be put on a higher dose for a few months so I can get back to work and stay there without having all the time off I have been having.
 
Is there any way to speed up the elimination of diazepam and its associated active metabolites from your system? I way overdid it over this weekend (around 15 blues over the weekend then 2 on monday). I have little to no tolerance so I am quite certain this is a massive dose for an almost benzo naive person. I'm still feeling generally a little bit confused with some cognitive impairment and its starting to get on my nerves!
 
caffeine has always done a bit to override some of the aspects of diaz and other benzos in general if I have taken too much or fancy a combo. It seems to stop you slurring your speech although inhibitions are still low and combined with a stimulant that sometimes leads to saying things you shouldn't or doing things you wouldn't normally do. I do enjoy a benzo and caffeine combo though.
 
I find on low end doses like 5-15mg diazepam, if i smoke afterwards i don't notice any significant difference, but when taking a recreational dose like 20-30mg, if i smoke, especially roll up cigarettes, the effects are reduced to a unfavourable degree.
 
I'm hoping an expert can help me answer this, as i've used the search engine & google to no avail.

Benzo Toxicity Ratings What is the toxicity level of all benzos? (or as many as we can) For example i believe Temazepam is most toxic with a "level" of about 12, Oxazepam, the least toxic, is something like 2.3, Lorazepam about 7, & diazepam about 6?

Can anybody give accurate info on the toxicity level of other benzos please? Thanks.
 
Sorry I'm not familiar with the scale you are talking about, a bit of quick surfing only suggests an A,B,C,D type rating.

Are you looking for maximum dosage levels ?, I may well be ignorant of this measurement, if so I'm sure one of our more medically learned members will answer
 
As far as I know, benzos aren't toxic in the slightest... They may cause some neurological changes, but they're certainly not toxic to the liver and other organs. I have no idea on which scale you mean, either.

They're pretty impossible to OD on, alone, also.
 
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