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Benzo Discussion Vol. 3 (I think? Last night's a blur..)

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The Roche are the real shit, man. Never tried all these fancy names I keep seeing here, but for me Roche will for ever be Roche ;)
 
thoughts on Apaurine 10mg's compared to the MSJs, Roches and the HK's? I had some WW valium that made me stumble really badly and have some bad memory blackouts from low doses, makes me think sometimes phenazepam is put into fakes.
 
Snakes said:
thoughts on Apaurine 10mg's compared to the MSJs, Roches and the HK's?
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Be careful - there are two brands out there called 'Apaurin'. One is Serbian (I think) and made by a company called 'Krka'. These are the genuine Apaurin. The other is made in Pakistan by a company called 'Karka'.

See what they did there? :D

To be honest, the Serbian ones tend to cost so much more than the MSJs that I never buy them.

What I will say is that quality is bang on - probably up there with your BP vals. I've only ever seen the Pakistani ones in 5mg, but that's not to say they don't make blues too. Just make sure it's the Serbian ones you're getting if you're being charged 50p+ per pill (the going rate for Apaurin).

I think you're right about D10s and phenazepam - personally I wouldn't even take D10s if they were offered for free. Too many horror stories. And for fuck's sake, avoid the Stadas!
 
Snakes said:
thoughts on Apaurine 10mg's compared to the MSJs, Roches and the HK's? I had some WW valium that made me stumble really badly and have some bad memory blackouts from low doses, makes me think sometimes phenazepam is put into fakes.
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Yeah. Those WWs were doing the rounds down here.

Deffo not diazepam.

I had to keep banging on to my supplier to stop getting them and to stick with the HKs.
Too many fucktards are prepared to put price above quality.

It's like they don't even know what Diazepam is.

/rant over.
 
They are definitely made by KRKA, and are very well pressed. Don't think I'll buy any other Valium other than Apaurines and Activ's as there seems to be a lot of variation in anything else available.
 
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They are definitely made by KRKA, and are very well pressed.
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Well you're in luck. ;)

The prices tend to be a bit silly though, when you consider that it's almost double that of HKs and MSJs. To be honest, I really don't have a problem with variation in either of those brands - except maybe when you take one MSJ and discover you've ingested three times as much diaz as you intended. That's not always a bad thing though!

The counterfeiters seem to have caught on to Actavis, unfortunately - don't know if they're of Asian origin or domestic, but there are loads of fake Actavis doing the rounds at the moment. Genuine ones are obviously good though.
 
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If these 'sovreign' diazepam are legit then how can they possibly be stronger than the actavis?
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Sovereign are legit look up their web page they are probably more expensive than actavis hence the chemist don't buy them .
Think about it when boots buy Diazepam they get a few 100 thousand not a few boxes thus they get the cheapest .
 
Running out of my nice roche, gonna lay off benzos for awhile as they give me the munchies for days. only use them on the weekends anyway

Got some MSJ but they seem weak. not sure what to make of the HK ones i have
 
Y'know what? I ran out of MSJs the other day (which were strong) and have some Roche and they seem piss-weak. Which is probably because they are.

Honestly, your tastes in diazepam baffle me - two legit Asian firms (HK and MSJ) versus Roche (who don't even make diaz anymore)? It's mental! :)

Maybe you got a good batch, but don't believe that 'Roche' stamp, because it's very, very, very likely they've come from some underground lab in downtown Lahore. It may be a good underground lab, but that's the truth.
 
I seriously need to get back to the doctors and get back on the prescribed diaz I think, for the last 3 weeks I've basically been surviving on dabbing powdered etizolam every morning once a day, I obviously am not getting the exact same dose each time, sometimes I must get more on my finger, it's pretty irresponsible, but I've not been taking amounts that cause me to look or act like a fucked fucktard at work or at home and don't feel overintoxicated, so I think I have the dabbing method down to a tee, but I worry what will happen if I lost the baggy or spilled it or something, I would have to just order more I guess, I like etizolam better than diazepam for daily anxiety, but I do want to quit benzos and I have a feeling that I'm taking rather high doses of etizolam as my 250mg bag is shrinking in size rapidly(have had the bag for about two weeks and think I might be just over halfway through it.
 
Dabbing etiz?

Mugz, seriously - I know you know your shit but that's so dicey. You may not think you're fucked but you might be doing anything. Why not get some Etilaam in? They're cheap enough.
 
The powder is so much cheaper than the pills, even in bulk, I might just get some cheap diaz or loraz from Paki instead of dabbing etiz. I am certain that I'm not doing crazy shit though as I had a crazy alprazolam powder period a couple of years ago where I wasn't aware that I was doing crazy shit other than the fact that my colleagues were making comments about me possibly being drunk at work and stuff. My housemates and my colleagues and my family haven't really noticed anything out of the ordinary with the etiz dabbing period of my life though, I think I have it under control.

I used to dab diaz powder rather than taking pills as unlike most people I am much more responsible on powdered benzos than pills, primarily because I can't really take powder anywhere with me but I can always take a few extra pills in my pocket and take them in public without anyone battering an eyelid. I fuck up most on pills.

You are right though, it's not healthy to continue the etiz dabbing, I need to find a decent alternative, I don't really want to go back to my doctor though as I don't want to be on olanzepine and she is pushing that on me alonside a diaz taper, I just want at least another six months of non tapering benzo use so that I can stabilse my position at work, as a lot of my absense has been due to tapering issues causing panic attacks.

I'm not ready to taper yet, but my doctor won't take no for an answer so I'm having to do it on my own, might have to get the ativans back in, they always helped me the best.
 
If you have half decent scales you can make up nice little folded parcels out of foil, I used to do it with PV so at least I had the stuff all sorted before things got out of hand, as they always did.

Made the mistake of thinking I could use Phenaz by dipping the end of a paper clip into it, I'd read it somewhere and wasn't thinking rationally at the time, lost a week luckily no harm done though, Mrs atm looked out for me and kept me indoors most of the time, fek that sounds terrible when I read it back but I can only laugh about it now, lucky escape though. I had to front it out with a couple of doctors who I'd sen whilst under the influence but had absolutely no memory of at all. Its a testament to how much I trust my missus because I wasn't in a good way but I would believe what she said, so when she said I had met these people before I manage to get through it without it getting too messy.

I'd get off the Etiz though Mugz the more I'm reading the less I'm liking about some of the side effects being reported, I tried the stuff but with the cross tolerance with Benzos it didn't really touch the sides.

Are you taking Diaz as well or does the doc just know about the Etiz ? if not i reckon you'd be more stable on Diaz but maybe not for you it's not like you haven't tried it before, but don't you find Etiz to short acting, I tried Xannax a while back I really wasn't a fan at all, to much up and down for my liking ...or is that down and up;)
 
Well atm, I have mentioned every drug I've taken to my GP but etizolam actually, I even showed her bluelight :D

I'm currently not taking diaz at all, surviving purely on etizolam dabs daily, I have noticed the short term action of it a few times in the evening where the physical symptoms of anxiety start to take hold again, such as dry eyes and inability to look anyone in the eye, diaz is longer lasting and better for my situation to be 100% honest, I asked my doctor for lorazepam though and she laughed at me(not in a horrible evil way) but because she wants to get me tapered off and loraz is shorter acting and more addictive than diaz but tons better for actual anxiety, she refused it because of its addictive and dependce forming nature.

I once had an LSD trip and convinced my mind to ignore the physical symptoms of the anxiety/withdrawal and just carry on and it worked REALLY well for just over a month, and then I got the chance to try powedered alprazolam so I got sucked back in, but I know that mind over matter, even with the horrible WD symptoms from benzos is definitely possible because during the month that I was off them totally I was functional, I was going to work, took trips to see family, and took trips with the ex and stuff, was just the psychological lure of powdered alpraz again that drew me back in and I've been back on it daily ever since.

I've got three weeks annual leave booked for August, I'm thinking that I might use this time to try and finally get myself off the benzos 100% if possible via the use of exercise and willpower and sheer determination, it would be a long shot, but those three weeks are reserved for the (sorry to jews) final solution.
 
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