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Benzo Discussion v4

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How long is the detox, Mugz? Gonna take at least a couple weeks just to get the phenaz out your system so don't like the sound of a fast Librium taper. Especially not off the kinda doses it seem like you've been taking. Have you discussed what your specific situation is with your drug workers? Do they actually know what phenazepam is?

Well I will find out all of the important details tomorrow when I go in for my assessment, my time in the detox centre is likely to be 14 days though, but as you said, with this much phenaz in my system that I was unaware of a 14 day Librium detox might not quite be enough, but better than nothing. The drug workers have never heard of phenazepam. I'm going to make a little factsheet of the half life and dosage compared to valium and stuff to take into my assessment tomorrow so they know what they are dealing with. Fuck though over 12.5mg a day on average over the last 41 days is pretty mental.

I bet I could make it through the weekend easily without seizure risk without taking any due to how much is already inside me, but I don't want to risk it.
 
^ Jesus mugz be careful, phenazepam is not something to "sip" at, how long have you been a member here?? Sometimes I wonder if we're actually spreading any HR info or not :(

Also.. I don't like to pry but how long have you been using it daily? Are you still on a diaz script from your doctor? I do worry about you, you know, long-term benzo use can exacerbate depression and low mood as well as causing dependence (obviously...)

MDB2: benzos (and etizolam) have muscle relaxant properties but different ones have different degrees; perhaps etizolam has particularly marked effects.. I've been caught out by benzos from the night before causing unexpected problems the next day (amnesia for me :|) so it's definitely something to bear in mind, especially one with longer half-lives of course.

Thankyou for a far more civil reply than i got from some unpleasant person on OD. I even had to edit this sentennce for fear of another infraction. Mind you i did totally let rip at him, which is out of characcter for me. I suppose withdrawwin from multiple drugs is bound to affect your moods heavily, even though all symptoms that i took to be recognised signs of paws have already passed. Just got benzoz, cigs, and stims, and cannaboids left now. Pieceo of piss, NOT. In all honestly ive foind the opis very east to com off this time, after a 6 month run. Totally painless. Tiny decrements (is that the word) and as i was using 2 opis at the same time 1 opi to prop up another, the first onw was nout. I took about 3 months to ween myself off ah7921 - no physicacal withdrwals at all. Justt thevaguest of PAWS that i felt as the absence of a subtle warm nice feeling in my head. Oh and the violent rages,
 
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OD and us folks in EADD are something completely different :) . Some random Lorivan that I found, vodka and a Tiger balm neck massage has me a happy bear.
 
Anyone else take Clonaz? My old valium guy has just switched to these completely, heard he was on a big BIG diaz habit or something and is now down to 15 clonaz too but I've no awareness of how all tolerances work with benzos so unsure if that's true but wouldnt put it past him.

Anyway, had 2mg last night and had another 2mg today. I halved yesterday as had shit to do this morning that needed thinking so couldnt be fucked. Hoping a bit of yesterdays dose will bump this 2mg up. No idea even for dosing with this stuff if anyones experience?

I really like it, always sublingual to get it in a bit quicker, and it tastes nice, so not like sublingual diaz ox xanax. Usually do 1mg, half a tablet, and the other half a bit later. I'm careful to never take clonaz less than 3 days apart, a week in general, with the odd hiccup....

xanax is proving better for quick sleep after stims.
 
If you are going to choose between etizolam and phenazepam go for etizolam, and if you don't wanna bother with diluting a solution then go for etizolam pills even though they are more expensive than the powder, not sure what they cost compared to your clonazes. All benzos can make someone go off in a rage though, paradoxical effects and all that.

I think I made a mistake going for the phenazepam because it was about 10x cheaper than etizolam powder and is active at the same mg dose but has such a long half life. It seems that I have been using much more than I thought I had been too. I have measured around 500mg left out of the gram I bought and I only bought that gram on the 7th of Jan so must have arrived on the 9th of 10th and half of it has gone already, that's about 40 days and 500mg so an average dose of around 12.5mg phenaz a day, sounds pretty scary now, especially considering I don't feel hardly benzoed at all and also I haven't had any comments from others about being overly benzoed.

i thought ud quit. Im not gonna preach, thats not my place. But yeah like 3 of 8x or 3-4 of 16x 2ml oral syringed measured (dont take all ot once irts too much and will spill) shot down the back of the throat, gargled as long as poss, then dowened. iit hammers you instantyl. Its like gods finest ever liquer. Christ waht a hypocrite am i , i was telli Nock the other day im leaving BL for a while as its too glorifying and triggering..... I certainly would nt recommend more than a couple of syringes thouh, Star off at 1 x1. Give it a while, see how you go.
This and3,4ctmp have been my 2 faviurite discoveries this year.
 
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OD and us folks in EADD are something completely different :) . Some random Lorivan that I found, vodka and a Tiger balm neck massage has me a happy bear.

i thought you were the rude person i blocked yestarday, maybe just a simillar name. Narh it cant be the same person as your friendly whilst the other guy wanted a barney and i stupidly took tha bait. Felt at peace aftearwrsds though, all that steam comong off the keyboard.
 
i thought you were the rude person i blocked yestarday, maybe just a simillar name. Narh it cant be the same person as your friendly whilst the other guy wanted a barney and i stupidly took tha bait. Felt at peace aftearwrsds though, all that steam comong off the keyboard.

Nah mate, not me. I wouldn't say I have ever been 'rude' to anyone in any of my posts (no need). Glad you felt at peace afterwards thought - crazy how you can feel you have 'won' when having a bitch fight online :D. Quick log off before they can reply = win :D
 
Nah mate, not me. I wouldn't say I have ever been 'rude' to anyone in any of my posts (no need). Glad you felt at peace afterwards thought - crazy how you can feel you have 'won' when having a bitch fight online :D. Quick log off before they can reply = win :D

Yeah im far too much of a wuss to have a proper manly shirts off, outside now fight. But i will be refreainig from verbal savagery too. That is another habit i dont want to foster. God its hard keeping bad habits in cheque and encouragibg the good ones.

I certtainly 'won' in terms of verbal ferocity, which did nothing other than get me infracted for abuse. Who was the fool there, unblemished record, with 1 lousy infart on it after deliberate provocation that would have seeen anyone sprwaled in a pool in of bllod on any british high atreet or pub..Unfair i tells ya unless the other huy, who provoked it got one too. I think yestarday was the only time id ever been rude to any1 on here. Harsh justice - 1 mistake - 1 strike. Thats why i wany my old u/n back, i like to kid myself that some people recognise that name, as having been around a while, and i seemed to have been treated with more respect with that u/n. Spose ill just have to try and earn it all overgain, like when you start a new job. unless i can get some swings swung higher up the admin chain.

TREATEMENT OF NEWBIES IS EXTREELY HARSH ON THIS SITE. 180 Minutes between a post, and if that one crashes youve 6 hours, by which tme the conversation has long moved on. Maybe i should go back to opis, im becomung right grumpy and abgry again now. No, not really going back. Will ride it ouut at least 1 or 2 months while those lazy endorphins arise from their slmber and realise they are needed back ay work. ive no idea if i making sense, that therapy session really took it out of me today. :?
 
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i thought ud quit. Im not gonna preach, thats not my place. But yeah like 3 of 8x or 3-4 of 16x 2ml oral syringed measured (dont take all ot once irts too much and will spill) shot down the back of the throat, gargled as long as poss, then dowened. iit hammers you instantyl. Its like gods finest ever liquer. Christ waht a hypocrite am i , i was telli Nock the other day im leaving BL for a while as its too glorifying and triggering..... I certainly would nt recommend more than a couple of syringes thouh, Star off at 1 x1. Give it a while, see how you go.
This and3,4ctmp have been my 2 faviurite discoveries this year.

Nah mate, it's the last on the list, it's the one that is taking me to detox/rehab soon, will try and taper down the phenaz from how much I have figured out I've been taking from now until I get to detox, but yeah, it's been phenaz solution or nothing since I moved back to my dads as my local doctor wouldn't prescribe me anything to taper down with, the cunt that he is.
 
TREATEMENT OF NEWBIES IS EXTREELY HARSH ON THIS SITE. 180 Minutes between a post, and if that one crashes youve 6 hours, by which tme the conversation has long moved on.

No-one thinks you're a newbie, we all know who you are, whichever username you're on at any time...
 
I certtainly 'won' in terms of verbal ferocity, which did nothing other than get me infracted for abuse. Who was the folol there, inblemished record, with 1 lousy infart on it.Unfair i tells ya unless the other huy, who provoked it got one too. I think yestarday was the only ime id ever been rude to any1 on here. Harsh justice - 1 mistake - 1 strike. Thats why i wany my old u/n back, i like to kid myself that some people recognise that name, as having been around a while, and i seemed to have been treated with more respect with that u/n. Spose ill just have to try and ear it all overgain, unless i can get some swings swung higher up the admin chain.

TREATEMENT OF NEWBIES IS EXTREELY HARSH ON THIS SITE. 180 Minutes between a post, and if that one crashes youve 6 hours, by which tme the conversation has long moved on. Maybe i should go back to opis, im becomung right grumpy and abgry again now. No, not really going back. Will ride it ouut at least 1 or 2 months while those lazy endorphins arise from their slmber and realise they are needed back ay work. ive no idea if i making sense, that therapy session really took iy out of me toay. :?

180 mins between posts - first time that I've heard about that (are you sure?). Winning is the same as fun - its open to interpretation :D. As long as your online now and open to voice your opinions then = win :).Just chill, take a few mins hours, days, weeks to catch up with the way we talk to each other in the EADD section - ask questions, give your opinions, share your experiences etc.

PLUR
Bear
 
(its mydrugbuddy, he's forgotten his passwords or usernames or emails or something a couple of times, so has had a couple of name changes.
 
(its mydrugbuddy, he's forgotten his passwords or usernames or emails or something a couple of times, so has had a couple of name changes.

I think I've had a better chat with R2D2 than mydrugbuddy - so I will forget these last couple of posts :) - people making alts and complaining about the delays of new users posts....
 
(its mydrugbuddy, he's forgotten his passwords or usernames or emails or something a couple of times, so has had a couple of name changes.

Narh, admiteddly my brain is fried, but ive got a big hacker problem. They are locking out any accounts that they cannt delete outright. I have a paranoid inkling i may have upset a feallas wife when i was at work by trying to be a little too friendly. In another life it may have happened, Ive already had a "security pro" in to triple secure my machine, extra routers, about 5 firewalls, all a piece of shit. :D Before anyone asks yes i have scanned it fror viruses. Nothing found.. Think i could have done a better job of it myslf.
 
well ive onlu had 1 chat with you and my energy is flagging to rise to the challenge.
 
Anyone else take Clonaz? My old valium guy has just switched to these completely, heard he was on a big BIG diaz habit or something and is now down to 15 clonaz too but I've no awareness of how all tolerances work with benzos so unsure if that's true but wouldnt put it past him.

Anyway, had 2mg last night and had another 2mg today. I halved yesterday as had shit to do this morning that needed thinking so couldnt be fucked. Hoping a bit of yesterdays dose will bump this 2mg up. No idea even for dosing with this stuff if anyones experience?

Also I find it doesn't have as good anti depressant effects as valium, but still okay - not 100% decided yet. Going to be using these for comedowns, particular days were im feeling extremely low or for psychedelic freak outs. Bit worried though as mate of mine has been caining these and always ends up taking 2, writing on a bit of paper not to take any more, and wakes up a day or two later having eaten 25 and has had a fight with everyone. We've been calling them Clonazarages!

Sort've tempted by these Etizolams/Phenazepams - what's the best out of those two? Cause they'd be a much cheaper option. Something a bit more short lived would be good as I've a tendency to feel I'm not as fucked as I am a day or two later and doing silly things. Glad I've no online banking atm have a wee blooped out shop.
Etiz is far better than phen. Etizolam powder ruined benzos forever for me though, tolerance builds quick - and seems to be pretty much permanent. I can eat handfuls of pills for very little effect :(

Mugz, I'm sure you know this but phen has such a long halflife if you keep dosing every day it's gonna build up and up and up.... until something goes terribly wrong.
 
Narh, admiteddly my brain is fried, but ive got a big hacker problem. They are locking out any accounts that they cannt delete outright. I have a paranoid inkling i may have upset a feallas wife when i was at work by trying to be a little too friendly. In another life it may have happened, Ive already had a "security pro" in to triple secure my machine, extra routers, about 5 firewalls, all a piece of shit. :D Before anyone asks yes i have scanned it fror viruses. Nothing found.. Think i could have done a better job of it myslf.

Do you use peevee at all? Peevee users often seem to become the targets of hackers.
 
See this is odd with the Clonaz, I had 1mg yesterday, few hours later 1mg and don't have much memory but had a lovely benzo munch Burrito then was asleep for 11 as I wanted to just get a good nights sleep off them. Today took a full 2mg and while I've been a wee bit slow on it I'm not even really getting jelly legged, was wanting to save these things for comedowns but they are very morish too could do with a bit more effect but reckon I'm just gonah toke instead and sleep be a zombie in the morning otherwise.
 
They are much less zombifying than diaz, i really like them.

Clonaz and xanax both do different jobs,and I think i'll try and stick with them. Diaz does both, but a bt more coshlike, and sometimes you want a short lasting one,and others a long lasting one/.
 
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