wcote
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Me thinks Diesel is naive or a winding us up.
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Balls of Steel - Talking openly about drug use (esp. heroin)
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BlueHues
Bluelighter
"Yank" here....
Heroin is addictive and expensive, but a lot less damaging to the mind and body long term than many other drugs...
Other drug users may look at heroin users as "junkies", but most of those people wouldn't last two months with a smack habit! We sometimes think of other drug users as "amateurs", considering many of us dabbled in just about everything before using H.
The reason a lot of drug users end up shooting heroin? All bullshit aside, its the best high that's ever been!
Its just another drug….It has a few aspects to it that make it "worse" in some ways, but it has several advantages as well.
As far as the government tracking down and imprisoning people talking about drug use?
Waste of time...Won't happen?
If someone sends you a PM looking for a hook-up, obviously you should be wary of that, but as far as getting in trouble for discussing it...no way!
The people oh here discussing drug use are a very small fraction of the drug using population...probably the more literate percentage tbh!
Heroin is addictive and expensive, but a lot less damaging to the mind and body long term than many other drugs...
Other drug users may look at heroin users as "junkies", but most of those people wouldn't last two months with a smack habit! We sometimes think of other drug users as "amateurs", considering many of us dabbled in just about everything before using H.
The reason a lot of drug users end up shooting heroin? All bullshit aside, its the best high that's ever been!
Its just another drug….It has a few aspects to it that make it "worse" in some ways, but it has several advantages as well.
As far as the government tracking down and imprisoning people talking about drug use?
Waste of time...Won't happen?
If someone sends you a PM looking for a hook-up, obviously you should be wary of that, but as far as getting in trouble for discussing it...no way!
The people oh here discussing drug use are a very small fraction of the drug using population...probably the more literate percentage tbh!
Fellowed
Bluelighter
Spot the teensiest of logical lapses there?
I know exactly what you mean cos that's exactly what I (and virtually every other heroin user I've known) has said. In hindsight it seems kinda silly due to said logical lapses.
BlueHues
Bluelighter
I'm ready to throw this tablet in the trash!The wonders of spell-check....
True, being addicted to heroin is nothing to be proud of, if that's what you're getting at...Spot the teensiest of logical lapses there?
I know exactly what you mean cos that's exactly what I (and virtually every other heroin user I've known) has said. In hindsight it seems kinda silly due to said logical lapses.
I guess how I feel about it:
Using heroin on a daily basis requires a lot of intelligence and resourcefulness, a lot of networking and haggling. That's what a lot of "junkies" take pride in...
I guess when you hear people talking about heroin users as if they're stupid, or as if they've simply "made bad choices in life", that doesn't really do justice to how difficult being on smack really is! Its not for the dim-witted or the faint of heart!
I guess people who use other drugs acting like they're "choosing" not to be on smack kind of pisses me off. As if at any moment they would be able to just jump into that life. It's much more complicated than that. If you've never really even had the opportunity to use it, how can you put yourself above the people who have? To really understand why it makes people do what it does, you have to experience the drug.
Also, there's a lot of people who only have ever seen "street junkies"...There's hundreds of other people you've probably come across that you'd have no idea used heroin.
It can make some people neglect their personal hygiene, but actually does far less long-term damage than something like alcohol. It doesn't burn your brain out like MDMA. I'd much rather use heroin daily for 10 years than drink heavily for 10 years, or use MDMA weekly for 10 years!
That wasn't what I was getting at, no. I was just pointing out that in the first sentence you said that other drug users wouldn't last two months with a smack habit and in the second sentence you said that junkies tend to think of other drug users as amateurs cos heroin users started off using other drugs.
Other than that I agree with pretty much everything you said in your second post.
AcidTrippin
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If your so paranoid get a VPS.
It's completely fine to talk about, but not something I am entirely comfortable with purely over the worry of my friends. I like opiates, but just never got me with their wee twick and I was lucky to not get hooked on them and have the ability to dabble on once in a blue moon. Just don't like seeing what they do to my friends but I know places like these are ideal for them, as they can share their experiences/advice on something I realistically know nothing about.
It's completely fine to talk about, but not something I am entirely comfortable with purely over the worry of my friends. I like opiates, but just never got me with their wee twick and I was lucky to not get hooked on them and have the ability to dabble on once in a blue moon. Just don't like seeing what they do to my friends but I know places like these are ideal for them, as they can share their experiences/advice on something I realistically know nothing about.
wcote
Greenlighter
Heroin is damaging to the body long term.
Heard of DVT? A person of 35 should not find it agony to walk 250 meters.
Or for example a person dying at the age 40 odd by a blood clot caused by their DVT going to their brain and causing them to have a stroke and die.
Seriously unless you talking of 'Heroin' trademarked by Bayer as in Diamorphine you are talking absolute garbage. Sorry but I find it a little bit naive what you are saying.
Yes opiates in a pure form are not bad for the body compared to most drugs. But as we are on EADD and in a wider sense heroin means street heroin.
Heard of DVT? A person of 35 should not find it agony to walk 250 meters.
Or for example a person dying at the age 40 odd by a blood clot caused by their DVT going to their brain and causing them to have a stroke and die.
Seriously unless you talking of 'Heroin' trademarked by Bayer as in Diamorphine you are talking absolute garbage. Sorry but I find it a little bit naive what you are saying.
Yes opiates in a pure form are not bad for the body compared to most drugs. But as we are on EADD and in a wider sense heroin means street heroin.
BlueHues
Bluelighter
Ever heard of "actually knowing about something in real life, as opposed to theorizing about something based on what you learned in second year pre-med"?
What an upstart little turd you are....Who have you ever met in your life with DVT caused by heroin use? I'll tell you how many I've met in 17 years of doing heroin:
Fucking zero
I'd like to see what your spineless little internet know-it-all ass looks like in real life! I could go into the specifics of different cuts and bullshit like that, but I won't waste my time except to say:
You don't know the fuck you're talking about!
What an upstart little turd you are....Who have you ever met in your life with DVT caused by heroin use? I'll tell you how many I've met in 17 years of doing heroin:
Fucking zero
I'd like to see what your spineless little internet know-it-all ass looks like in real life! I could go into the specifics of different cuts and bullshit like that, but I won't waste my time except to say:
You don't know the fuck you're talking about!
wcote
Greenlighter
Awww.
Bless! look your getting all angry and abusive, its ok you don't know anybody! Seriously you don't know anybody who has been affected like that in your 17 years of heroin use that's great.
Some of us do ok! And if you want to meet me in real life you are more than welcome to fly over to the UK and we can meet and chat. I know it can be hard when you hear views different to your own! However that's the great thing about life, everyone has different experiences!
Then again I could know fuck all!
Bless! look your getting all angry and abusive, its ok you don't know anybody! Seriously you don't know anybody who has been affected like that in your 17 years of heroin use that's great.
Some of us do ok! And if you want to meet me in real life you are more than welcome to fly over to the UK and we can meet and chat. I know it can be hard when you hear views different to your own! However that's the great thing about life, everyone has different experiences!
Then again I could know fuck all!
BlueHues
Bluelighter
^I said "heroin", I never mentioned anything about "IV complications" anyway...I guess "North Korea" was your attempt at being clever?
wcote
Greenlighter
Yeah I was just showing off that I knew of North Korea.
I'm glad somebody finally pointed it out!
(People in EADD can be a bit slow on the uptake as you have no doubt gathered)
I'm glad somebody finally pointed it out!
(People in EADD can be a bit slow on the uptake as you have no doubt gathered)
BlueHues
Bluelighter
Well, I apologize for being abusive to you...
I'd agree, heroin use can have adverse consequences, especially physical dependence and overdose, but Deep Vein Thrombosis is definitely not the first thing that comes to mind, for me!
I'd agree, heroin use can have adverse consequences, especially physical dependence and overdose, but Deep Vein Thrombosis is definitely not the first thing that comes to mind, for me!
wcote
Greenlighter
I'm trying to think why it would not be at all common in America. However I can't think why as I have no experience of American heroin.
BlueHues
Bluelighter
Well, I apologize for being abusive to you...
I'd agree, heroin use can have adverse consequences, especially physical dependence and overdose, but Deep Vein Thrombosis is definitely not the first thing that comes to mind, for me!
I'd agree, heroin use can have adverse consequences, especially physical dependence and overdose, but Deep Vein Thrombosis is definitely not the first thing that comes to mind, for me!
One Thousand Words
Bluelighter
It is naive to think the only problems that heroin addicts suffer are caused by a lack of access to their drug of choice.
Expensive rehab and detox clinics are full of wealthy celebrities and business people who despite individual wealth and connections still suffer immensely from their addiction. If purity was the biggest problem the slums of Kabul wouldn't be full of homeless and destitute either.
Expensive rehab and detox clinics are full of wealthy celebrities and business people who despite individual wealth and connections still suffer immensely from their addiction. If purity was the biggest problem the slums of Kabul wouldn't be full of homeless and destitute either.
wcote
Greenlighter
Good point OTW.
Are you saying someone on here specifically is being naive or just the view you pointed our in general being naive?
Your point could be expanded on further by saying other problems can access to clean needles, there could be all the clean pharmaceutical grade diamorphine in the world but without easy access to needles problems such as HIV and Her C could grow even worse. Especially hep C.
Are you saying someone on here specifically is being naive or just the view you pointed our in general being naive?
Your point could be expanded on further by saying other problems can access to clean needles, there could be all the clean pharmaceutical grade diamorphine in the world but without easy access to needles problems such as HIV and Her C could grow even worse. Especially hep C.
One Thousand Words
Bluelighter
I'm suggesting that the solution to the problems of heroin addiction won't be easily solve by handing out the drug. It may help limit certain health complications but there still exists the shackle of addiction itself, which shouldn't be underestimated.
BlueHues
Bluelighter
^I agree, and thank you for confirming that you weren't pandering to some poppy tea drinking bitches particular brand of cunty rhetoric!
brimz
Bluelighter
Well now you have & yer talking to a Big Boy junkie who thinks you are being a bit nasty to my younger but still well informed Friend .
So you don't know many FEmoral Injecting users then ?
I know fukin loads n the reason well the main one for that is in the U.K & most of Europe i can speak for Spain & Portugal also, we get Different gear than you . It is more caustic & requires a citric acid to prepare for injection .
This means that many users , who are shooting 6/10 times a day loose there surface veins n we have to use large gauge needles n go deep Vein .
The femoral vein in the groin being the one i am talking about .
Your naivety is incredible for someone claiming to have 17 years of using behind them .
Also as a fellow Heroin addict i'm not looking for confrontation a little bit of uniting should be going on here calling out other users is a bit childish.
FFS we should be getting on cos we get enough of that shoite from the rest of public let alone other users
Here have a gander at this ..
[video=youtube_share;02cFcRipsD4]http://youtu.be/02cFcRipsD4[/video]
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