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"Bad" Social Drug Stigma - Junkie or User?

PCP is pretty horrible ive tried it mixed with meth IV and orally.
Nothing like K or even DXM or nitrous. Easy to overdo as well I got bells palsy effects from it.

i have no idea what that brn cuzzins was even saying thought he was joking around (i hope too) because not one word was typed correctly in their post, and whatever they said is completely gammin.
 
I think he ate those green peter pan trips he was talking about in lsd info thread ;)

weren't KENTS a brand of cigarette?

never tried PCP IV, smoked a bit tho, good fun i thought. Had a blast.
 
Kents yeah i remember those.

yeah sounds like he is on petrol though not lsd.
 
haha yer lagger whats a lagger a computer nerd? n nu i dont do drugs personally i been sober for a whle now just investegating for the purpose of harm minimilastion.

and KENTs=CUNTSSSS for you squares who recon ur drug user but mostly like tha drug squad get with tha program shiiiiiiiiiiiit
 
you come across as someone i really would not like to know, you make the drug scene look bad dude.

OH AND THANKS FOR LETTING ME KNOW what "kents" MEANS I DID NOT KNOW!@#$

and yes lagger in the oxford dictionary is a computer nerd how did u know
 
i was when i signed up now im just pissed off... can we please keep this on topioc guys im not here to argue or gettin speeling and punctuality lesson thanks
 
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Sykik said:
Safer is an interesting phrase. It is often thought about if you abuse this drug A, or abuse drug B, A is safer. But in your above statement you say drug B is safer then drug A, when drug A is abused.

You have to remember that drinking alchohol on a not abusive level. I.e 6-7beers a night, and not every night of the week, say on the weekend, is quite a healthy sustainable level.

I feel when we at BL talk about legal drugs we only look at the people that abuse the substances i.e alcoholics etc, while the majority of people, people who use them recreationally are fine. This is the also true with the illegal drug scene, a majority (or at least alot) of people who use illegal substances are fine (safe) users as well.

So it seems both sides of the fence, pro illegal, and anti-illegal drug use the people who abuse the substances as an example to argue why their side of the fence is better. This argument is completely floored and holds no stength in my eye and only fuels the misunderstanding and anger futher.

If you want to make a statement why you choose to take illegal drugs try something like this " I take them because I enjoy them, I understand the associated risk, and I accept that this risk is managable and I do everything within my power to minimize this risk "

Play on an even playing field before you make comparisons, and when you get into these conversations with idiots who use the type of junkie as an example argument, state back, well what about *insert an alcoholic you both know*, doesn't that mean alcohol is also a bad drug, then they say, "no, not if you don't abuse it" then you say, "so is drug A" So instead of fueling the flames, you might give them a bit of a change of perspective. There next statement will be, "no it does worse things to your body" and if you have the chemical knowledge you might be able to teach them what it does to your body/come downs and start an intellectual conservation about the pros and cons of your drug A vs alcohol.

(end rant)
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Whoa. Good rant =D I appreciate the time and effort for that reply haha.

Struggling to follow your line of thought at some points here, being rather high probably doesnt help.

So what your saying is alcohol can be safe when not abused, and by using its use and abuse as example my argument must be flawed?

Sad truth is you dont even have to "abuse" alcohol to harm yourself.

Sorry mate but I fail to see how that isnt a level playing field. Legalities aside, all drugs have the potential for abuse. I think its quite fair to compare drug A to drug B, and I'm not by any means talking solely about abuse. Alcohol is toxic at any dose, and I'm not lieing when I say its the most toxic chemical that I've ever ingested - because it is. Where as with various other chemicals in my arsenal I'm able to achieve far more desireable effects with very little or no negative impact on my body. Alchohol is toxic to nearly every major organ in the body, only one of which is capable of self-repair.

So yeah, when I'm getting hassled by those who choose to drink to excess (damaging their body with every dose) and look down upon myself for consuming irrefutably safer (in terms of physical harm) chemicals, based soley on legal status then sure I'm going to have a go, as you can be damn sure I've educated those people time and time again on what they're doing to their body's.

However, that response first posted was tailored on a personal basis and I'm not sure that everyone makes quite the body conscious decisions regarding their drug intake as myself. Therefore is in no way suitable as a blanket statement.

/end rant.

Yay for intelligent discussion ;) If only those passing on the stigma were as willing to thrash out the issue as bl'ers :(
 
L3inad said:
Whoa. Good rant =D I appreciate the time and effort for that reply haha.

Struggling to follow your line of thought at some points here, being rather high probably doesnt help.

So what your saying is alcohol can be safe when not abused, and by using its use and abuse as example my argument must be flawed?

Sad truth is you dont even have to "abuse" alcohol to harm yourself.

Sorry mate but I fail to see how that isnt a level playing field. Legalities aside, all drugs have the potential for abuse. I think its quite fair to compare drug A to drug B, and I'm not by any means talking solely about abuse. Alcohol is toxic at any dose, and I'm not lieing when I say its the most toxic chemical that I've ever ingested - because it is. Where as with various other chemicals in my arsenal I'm able to achieve far more desireable effects with very little or no negative impact on my body. Alchohol is toxic to nearly every major organ in the body, only one of which is capable of self-repair.

So yeah, when I'm getting hassled by those who choose to drink to excess (damaging their body with every dose) and look down upon myself for consuming irrefutably safer (in terms of physical harm) chemicals, based soley on legal status then sure I'm going to have a go, as you can be damn sure I've educated those people time and time again on what they're doing to their body's.

However, that response first posted was tailored on a personal basis and I'm not sure that everyone makes quite the body conscious decisions regarding their drug intake as myself. Therefore is in no way suitable as a blanket statement.

/end rant.

Yay for intelligent discussion ;) If only those passing on the stigma were as willing to thrash out the issue as bl'ers :(
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i could be wrong, but I thought alcohol can be good for you at small doseages. ie. isn't a glass or two of red wine good for your heart? ditto about a glass of beer being good for your liver?
 
psytaco said:
i could be wrong, but I thought alcohol can be good for you at small doseages. ie. isn't a glass or two of red wine good for your heart? ditto about a glass of beer being good for your liver?
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Thats actually nothing to do with the achohol itself rather other compounds present in the beverages.

"phenolic" from red wine. Not sure about the beer however. Never actually heard that before o.0
 
^ It's only certain types of red wine too as far as I'm aware. And the possible benefits of reservatrol may have been over stated, as well as some other compounds found in wine.

Haven't heard of beer being good for your liver...
 
Moderation is the key word with any kind of substance you put into your body. For most people though it can be extremely difficult to say no.
As i've said before though, everybody is defferent. Two people who have never used drugs, may ingest the exact same drug in the exact same proportions, and have two extremely different reactions to it. Then again they may get off their scones in exactly the same way...

Alcohol kills more people every year than most other drugs that are illegal. Saying that, it can also be of benefit to your body 'in moderation'. Personally, I stay away from beers, because i have an uncomfortable reaction to the yeasts they use, while a sixpack of bourbon cans goes down a treat!
 
A glass of red wine is healthy for my family because without it I would probably beat them as soon as I returned home from work.


3 bottles, not so good. ;)
 
^ Lol at those two posts. :D

Alcohol kills more people every year than most other drugs that are illegal.
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In terms of deaths related to drugs each year, legal or illegal, it is second only to tobacco.

And paracetamol is responsible for more overdose/poisoning related hospital admissions then any other drugs in many countries.
 
Don't dismiss all those deaths from car accidents and drownings. The sooner we fence all these beaches the safer the children will be. Lets face it being born is a guaranteed death sentence. We don't have a crowded population because of the number of people being born, it's those over stayers that are stretching the planets resources. Death just cleans the Earth and resets it for the next sucker.

There is an easy way to not be offended with the term "junkie". Don't use drugs. Stereotypes exist for a reason, there are plenty of no good, thieving cunts out there who do consume too many drugs. If you think you are not one of them, fine, but there will always be someone who will look down at you no matter what you do. Best not to worry what other people think and prove to them every day you wake up that you are a person they should want to be friends with.

There are very few people on the planet who can truly say they have no vices. The Dalai Lama perhaps, but even then I'm sure he has an annoying lacky who gives him the shits and some times when his back is turned the good old Lama rolls his fucking eyes and thinks, "What a cock sucker, hope he dies in a holy fire". Sometimes I think the only reason my religious mates have turned to god is because they receive a written manual (The Bible or Koran or Torah) that gives them permission to hate on gay's and darkies. :\
 
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L3inad, I concede your points. Alcohol is toxic. But the majority of drugs are poisons in one way or another. Don't think I'm arguing against you, and I might of misinterpreted your original post, thanks for elaborating.
 
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