[B.D.M. #3:] - Is marijuana the drug that's harmed you the most?

[Morrison's Lament]

Well the drug is a factor,

That's not what you said before, but this is progress.

but if you wanna have a rich life(not talkin dollars) then you got to take responsibility for your actions and stop blaiming things, becuase you can't change the past, there's no way you can prove that it was only weed that did what you thought weed did to you, and it was your decision every move you made, so accept it.

I haven't denied anything, I've posed some questions to you about the completely illogical post you made in this thread.

Maybe you didn't mean to do something, or something turned out not the way you want it, well then it was an accident or a mistake and you got to accept that this type of shit is gonna happen, just take what you've learned in life and use it, don't play the blaim game, that's pointless.(i'm not saying you refering to you morrison lament, i'm talkin about like anyone in general)

Fair enough, it's a general truism that people need to take more responsibility for their actions than they generally do. It's always been a problem in every human society. But to say that the mind altering drug that people use to harm themselves is irrelevant is taking it too far, imho. It's a very big factor in all of this, that doesn't so much absolve anyone of responsibility as it poses serious questions about WHY certain drugs ensnare certain people. Why don't all drugs have the same patterns of use and abuse? Because they are very different.

Let my try and clairfy: Opiates(and most other drugs) can be good or bad, they can help people but they can also lead to disasterious life styles, they are just drugs, they don't make decisions for you so you can't just blaim them for the disasterious life style if you got it from that drug,

I don´t think that was ever the point of this thread. The point was more along the lines of exposing a common myth for the falsehood that it is, i.e. that weed never gets anyone hooked and never causes any damage, or at least alway does the least damage. That is simply not a true statement, and gathering some personal experiences to show that is what all this was about from my point of view.

you got to realize that where you are in life is all from decisions you have made, and accept it, and try to make better/good decisions in the future.(People probably already realize this)

They do on some level, but you've pretty much departed from the discussion we were having here. Personal responsibility is an age old philosophical question with wide ranging implications across almost all human existance, what we are discussing is whether or not marijuana sometimes does more damage to people than any of the other drugs they use. Specificall who's fault it is when people get addicted to anything in general, is in my oppinion a bit of a detour.

Well I ment that i'm not gonna lay down something and say it's a fact, but I am gonna offer my opinion, and I did

Fair enough.

You must have misunderstood my post, let me again use the example of McDonalds:
If you were eating McDonalds and then got fat or some other strange problems arrose, you should realize that it was your decision, and life with it. You can say that mcDonalds has ruined your life the most out of any resturants, but what the fuck does this really matter which resturant has effected you the most, it was entirely the result of your choices of what resturants to use.

To be fair my main problem with cannabis isn't the drug but rather the culture, so in a way you could extend that analogy to a hypothetical situation where McDonalds gets away with blatant false advertising.

"It's healthfood! You won´t get fat or sick or anything! Eat a fat sack of friiieees, dude, it's NATURAL!" - then when the cameras aren't rolling:
"Oh, and if you do it too much and fuck yourself up for good it's your own fault, idiot. You used it wrong"

A better way to grade resturants(or drugs), would be to kind of set up a ratio of how much it has effected it over how often you used it.

IT DOESN"T SUPRISE ME THAT WEED EFFECTED YOU THE MOST IF IT WAS THE DRUG YOU USED THE MOST

Exactly, and WHY did all these people use it the most? Coincidence? Could it be that there is something somewhat insidiously alluring about an "all natural plant" that "is totally safe" and "has done people more good than any other drug"? Could it be that this is all a big lie that was bought into by a lot of people? Could it be that the entire idea behind this thread is to dispell exactly that misconception?

--- G.

 

[teetmanike]

oh god this is going nowhere

 

[Morrison's Lament]

I don't know about "nowhere". First this was about personal experience with too much weed smoking, now we have moved on to defining the concept of free will and the underlying metaphysical reality of addiction - in fact this is going all over the place

--- G.

 

[bingey]

The last post I read was from Lacey K , and I don't get it. And I want to understand it cause there's a bit out of my post in bold letters in it.

Does it have something to do with my spelling? I make real weird typos since this weekend but it will probably be just as good as before in a few days.

So any native speakers care to help me out?

 

[Adrenochrome]

well i just think that it's mostly people being irresponsible that caused them any damage involving drug use, but yes if people are irresponsible about using marijuana, they'll probably have some bad effects, and marijuana can also bring forth latent psychological disorders too, i believe, just like any other psycadelic

 

[DJAcetone]

I've noticed that out of all the drug users, tweakers are the weirdest, acid-heads are usually the smartest, and potheads are the most retarded

 

[HeadyNuggets]

bubblecum,

One last thing before I leave you to that permenately weed induced psychosis you call life. There is some irony in that for one who has been most harmed by mariujana you seem to need it the most. Perhaps one day youll reconcile your differences with this fine herb. I wish you the best.
Untill then,
PEACE

 

[cannabis sativa]

I've noticed that out of all the drug users, tweakers are the weirdest, acid-heads are usually the smartest, and potheads are the most retarded

i've never known an acid-head who wasn't a pothead also. i have met many stupid potheads though which i found surprising because i tend to think of pot as a great thinking aid.

 

[Morrison's Lament]

It's just so widespread, cannabis sativa. And so many people delude themselves about it's real effects, that is to say, what happens when you smoke all day every day. If you don't abuse cannabis it will treat you well.

A lot of people smoke for a lot of reasons, some of them not so sound. I have met an incredible array of idiots during the near decade that I have been smoking. Some truly fucked up and evil people smoke weed, it doesn't seem to mellow everyone out.

I have also met just as many brilliant and creative people who smoked, it cuts both ways.

--- G.

 

[mrgeneric]

Yes, I mean ME. Not in general. I mean MYSELF, I don't know what drug's harmed you the most, nor do I care.

If you don't care why'd you start the thread? :D

Anyway, that's about all I had to say.

Oh wait.

I find that the lack of motivation/anxiety that I FULLY admit I get sometimes from weed can be reasoned out. I usually just repeat to myself that I will NOT become some useless stoner stereotype. I FORCE myself to accomplish things on a daily basis, and I get it done BEFORE I smoke. It's that simple.

Okay, you guys can keep arguing now.

 

[LIVE4EVER]

If you don't care why'd you start the thread? :D

Anyway, that's about all I had to say.

Oh wait.

I find that the lack of motivation/anxiety that I FULLY admit I get sometimes from weed can be reasoned out. I usually just repeat to myself that I will NOT become some useless stoner stereotype. I FORCE myself to accomplish things on a daily basis, and I get it done BEFORE I smoke. It's that simple.

Okay, you guys can keep arguing now.

BINGO.....

 

[LIVE4EVER]

Actually, the "dumb pothead" stereotype is way overblown. Just because you don't like a particular substance doesn't mean those who use it are "retarded" or "unmotivated". I know many people who smoke and you'd never even know it. Usually smart folks, too. I would bet that most people who post on this site and pretty damn smart. Most are in college and know more about chemistry than I'd ever care to know. A lot of them probably smoke weed and obviously indulge in other substances. We all seem to refute the term "junkie", yet we call weed smokers "retarded potheads". And I'm sure some jerk is going to overanalyze everything I said in this post. Have fun!!!

 

[gugglebum]

If you don't care why'd you start the thread? :D

Anyway, that's about all I had to say.

Wow, thanks a lot for this brilliant insight into your wonderful mind.

How about this: When I said I didn't care about his opinion, I only meant that Adrenochrome fool.
I do care about other people's opinion, that's why I posted this here instead of in a journal, Dark Side or Cannabis Discussion

ROFL! Can you imagine how funny it would be if I had posted this in Cannabis Discussion?
Man I bet most of the responses would have been real constructive
::: SARCASM DETECTOR: ON :::

 

[WholeWhiteBreaD]

Yes. Marijuana tricked me, and I thought I knew all its subtleties. I haven't smoked for two days and I am realizing (again) that I hate smoking everyday and having a clogged, cloudy "duhhh, I don't care" mindset. And I was one of those who could "function" just fine on the stuff, and I look pretty put-together. When I break it down, I'm basically like the living-dead on the stuff, my life becoming a repetitive basketcase bore for the most part. I earned my PhD over the course of 5 years in weed smoking. I suppose I'd still like the option of smoking once in a blue moon, but if I'm honest I realize I'm an all-or-nothing kinda guy with the greens. I'm through kidding myself.

edit:
of course, I've gotta watch myself with all these narcotics I've been bringing home-they're a nice clean high though Good thing availability and money are are issues.

 

[gugglebum]

bubblecum,

One last thing before I leave you to that permenately weed induced psychosis you call life. There is some irony in that for one who has been most harmed by mariujana you seem to need it the most. Perhaps one day youll reconcile your differences with this fine herb. I wish you the best.
Untill then,
PEACE

Mariujana? What's that?
I suppose you mean your "dank ass budz". Oh, OK.
Well, what exactly makes you think I need it the most? Do you know me? Do you know me better than I do myself?

I should reconcile my differences with this fine herb?

Do you guys read what I'm reading? RECONCILE MY DIFFERENCES WITH A FUCKING PLANT? A ..... P - L - A - N - T??????????????????
Hello? Have you read what you just wrote yourself? MY DIFFERENCES? A HERB?

LOL, I wonder which of these nice little characters has a PSYCHOSIS:
A) One who has recognized his mistakes from the past and has put an end to his consumption of a drug which he thought was harmful for him.

B) One who ... well, one who tells him to reconcile his differences with that fine herb. Yes, the one who told him to talk to a plant. Talk to a plant. Come to a concensus with it. Negotiate our future relationship. Yes. All that. With a plant.

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Besides laughing you out some more, how about this:
So you admit, marijuana induces psychosis?
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH NO!
HEADYNUGGETS JUST SAID MARIJUANA CAN BE HARMFUL!!!!!!
What is this world coming to? How can he say something like that and get away with it!

"man you should chill out and smoke a bowl"

 

[Morrison's Lament]

Chill, man. Have a beer :D

--- G.

 

[WholeWhiteBreaD]

Ya, I find those overzealous potheads who are over 20 years old to be truly phucking pathetic. Dude's seriously have never grown up and have been escaping into the haze their whole lives. Things are much different when you come out of that haze is all I can say.

 

[gugglebum]

You got a bad attitude boi!!
Once again let me emphasise that weed hasn't done shit to you

well i just think that it's mostly people being irresponsible that caused them any damage involving drug use, but yes if people are irresponsible about using marijuana, they'll probably have some bad effects, and marijuana can also bring forth latent psychological disorders too, i believe, just like any other psycadelic

ROFL!
How the fuck do you go from
"it hasn't done shit to you"
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TO
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"if people are irresponsible about using marijuana, they'll have some bad effects"
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IN LESS THAN TWO SECONDS?
Is completely changing your mind about something apparently very important to you THIS easy?
OK, I'll try another one: Hey kid, rap sucks.
(It's only a matter of time before he starts listening to decent stuff)

Btw, what's a psycadelic? And what the hell is a hallucingen?

Could it be it's the weed that's making you a little slower than your average 18-year old?

Oh btw...

Originally posted by Adrenochrome You can't tell me where I can and can't post

No, no I can't.
But I can sure laugh at you like I've been doing this whole thread

 

[gugglebum]

Chill, man. Have a beer :D

--- G.

Haha yeah


I do know I'm acting up a little but these kids just annoy the hell out of me.
There's like 15 people over 20 who are all recognizing that marijuana is the drug that's harmed them the most (Editor's note: NOT THE MOST HARMFUL DRUG) and there's 2 teenage idiots saying "shut up man, YOU BITCH CANT DISS THE WEED YO, smoke a sack dude its a fine herb, SHIT!" ... it just sorta fucked up the whole thread.
In fact, it'd be pretty good if a moderator deleted all the flaming here, and only left the constructive posts.
I'd even delete mine myself, there's just no point in trying to warn these kids that 2 years from now (max) they're gonna be regretting it all

I say fuck 'em

 

[HeadyNuggets]

My cum loving friend,

You are so angry it just makes me laugh. Especially when I'm smoking my dank ass heady budz! I've got a feeling that marijuana is not whats harmed you the most, but more likely your angry temperment is eating you up inside. Soon you may even burst a blood vessel in that angry head of yours. You know they say stress kills...

Now to move on to the more interesting topic of our relationship with plants. Yes, you can and do have relationships with plants/drugs. This does not mean literally speaking with them silly! We have relationships with everything around us, there is no separation. Nothing is an island.

One day you may find yourself with a head full of copelandia, lsd, dmt, etc, and realize (while smoking a bowl of the finest headies) that everything is interconnected and we are all in an infinite array of relationships.

Also, please explain just how marijuana has left you with such unspeakable damage. Did you eat 5g of Hash oil, freak out, and are living in a permanent state of anger ever since?