[B.D.M. #3:] - Is marijuana the drug that's harmed you the most?

[teetmanike]

While marijuana hasn't 'harmed' me per say it has held me back in personal growth. I spent a long time in highschool in a stoned daze and only recently was able to see how much of a detrimental effect it was having on my motivation and willpower.

One thing that is strange though, if I have weed I *will* without fail smoke until it's gone.

this sounds so damn familiar

 

[drexil_spivy]

But strangely enough, I never got into the habit of doing cocaine everyday and I DID GET INTO THE HABIT OF SMOKING MARIJUANA EVERY DAY.

Does that say something about the drug? I wouldn't fucking think twice about doing acid every day ... but I did with weed.

This is the big flaw in your logic. No, this doesn't say anything about the drug at all. This is key. You're either blaming pot for not fucking you up enough, or you're blaming it because you liked doing it more often than cocaine. Either way you're totally misguided, it's YOUR bad it got unpleasant. You, like me and other potheads i'm sure, had plenty of warning signs before you became completely dependent.

As if the fact that you didn't start doing cocaine or acid every day means anything! So you're completely self indulgent, not completely self destructive. That doesn't even really have anything to do with weed, it's common sense. What you should be seeing here is that you tried to get high every day for YEARS!

Although it wasn't articulated well, I believe the other point stands. Your usage was way over the top, and that doesn't mean anything other than that you're indulgent, and you should probably be grateful you chose weed as your crutch. I'd rather be a pothead than an alcoholic ANYDAY, but I suppose that's a matter of opinion.

By any reasonable comparison to other drugs (including average usage patterns) pot is still one of the safest and most beneficial drugs around, as the millions and millions of people who use it in moderation know. You seem to forget how popular this drug is and how most people don't end up even close to the level you reached.

You had to grow stronger and more mature to get to the point you're at now where you don't need it anymore. I respect that quite a bit, but you would have had to go through that process anyway. You're bitter about what you went through, but you should be focusing that completely on yourself and not on some plant.

I don't deny the dangers you warn of. In fact, I'm suffering through a lot of this crap myself (panic attacks, dependent but not enjoying it anymore, etc). But I hate ex-addicts that get all high and mighty after they decide not to be smashed 24/7 anymore. It's a *great* drug, and I could've kept it fun for myself. Same goes for you.

 

[teetmanike]

I think the main problem with weed is the fact that it seems so harmless and takes a long time to develope negative side effects, but once you notice 'em, it's way too late

Obviously you have not experienced many substances. We are blessed to have such a wonderful plant with so few negative side effects.

Smoke it daily for a few years and then we'll see what you have to say about it

 

[Morrison's Lament]

For me the point of the thread is the question in it's title, period. Getting into flamewars over the precise reasons for the fact that many people would answer "Yes" to that question is pretty pointless, imho.

People that answer that question "Yes" are probably not doing it to spite anyone or diss their drug of choice, they're stating an oppinion about their own life, their own body and their own drug use. No one was trying to tell anyone else what to do.

--- G.

 

[gugglebum]

This is the big flaw in your logic. No, this doesn't say anything about the drug at all. This is key. You're either blaming pot for not fucking you up enough, or you're blaming it because you liked doing it more often than cocaine.

Yes, I've read that "weed doesn't do anything, it doesn't make you smoke it" shit abou 20,000 times before....

Which still doesn't change anything. Yes, I know that weed didn't make me smoke it - but it doesn't fucking matter. According to your great theory, drugs can't be addictive by themselves, right? It can only be the person that takes that makes them addictive, right?

So, by your scale, marijuana is as addictive as crack, right?

I swear there isn't a single crack-rock in the world that has ever made anyone smoke it ... but I think you will agree it's addictive, right?
Well then why isn't marijuana addictive?

Whatever, I'm sick of this fucking thread. A bunch of potheads came here and ruined it all pretty much ... go defend your weed somewhere else, we don't want to fucking hear any of your incoherent "IS ALLL NATURAL!!!!!!!!!!!!11 IT MUST BE GOOD! ITS FROM NATURE!"!!! AND ITS NATURAL TOOO!!!! ITS GOOD FOR YOU, SMOKE A BOWL HAHA I LIK ETO GET HIGH MAN I MEAN LIKE BLITZ ROLF OMG" ramblings.

How about this:
Do not (I repeat for all the potheads: DO NOT) fucking post here if you don't think marijuana has harmed you.
If you're happy being a boring lazy half-way retarded stoner that just sits at home eating Doritos & playing SuperNintendo all day, by all means, do go ahead and keep on smoking, but that's not who this thread is for.

We've already had enough cannabis appreciation threads here, I think you should let the rest speak for once.

 

[LIVE4EVER]

I love these folks on here who say marijuana is the most harmful drug they have tried and it looks like they have tried just about every drug available. Could it be the other drugs causing the problems? I had terrible anxiety before I started smoking. I've never felt better, actually. I'm off those SSRI's and I take my Xanax whenever I really need it. I guess everyone reacts differently. I smoked one after a strenous day at work instead of picking up a six pack. The only problem I've had with it is legal problems. I got a possession charge. Since then, I haven't smoked regularly. I realized my job is more important to me. It sucks, but you gotta put your priorities first. In other words, no, it has not physically harmed me. Those SSRI's are, to me, much more harmful.

 

[gugglebum]

"I love these folks on here who say marijuana is the most harmful drug they have tried and it looks like they have tried just about every drug available. Could it be the other drugs causing the problems?"

Yes, I have taken almost every drug available and still say that THE ONE THAT HAS DONE ME ME ME ME PERSONALLY ME MYSELF AND I MEEEEEEEEEEEE the most harm is marijuana.

I have never, in my entire life, said marijuana WAS THE MOST HARMFUL DRUG I'VE TRIED, but, it turns out, through a serious of coincidences that it is the one that's harmed ME the most.

Yes, I mean ME. Not in general. I mean MYSELF, I don't know what drug's harmed you the most, nor do I care.

And could it be the other drugs causing the problems?
No, acid hasn't decreased my lung therapy.
Mushrooms haven't fucked up my short-term memory.
It's not the cocaine I did years ago that robs me of my motivation.

It's the weed.

{edit}
I'm considering closing this thread seeing as how it mostly attracts dicks who don't bother to read what we're saying and instead just babble on about how good weed is for them.
Well, that's great for you, but this thread is for people who think that MARIJUANA IS THE DRUG THAT'S HARMED THEM THE MOST
(but one wouldn't think that reading the title I guess 8) )

 

[Morrison's Lament]

I love these folks on here who say marijuana is the most harmful drug they have tried and it looks like they have tried just about every drug available.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you misread, because if you didn't you are deliberately creating a straw man argument to attack, that is to say, pretending someone was arguing bullshit and refuting that bullshit and considering the original (and valid) argument somehow defeated.

There is a HUGE difference between "done the most damage to me personally" and "most harmful drug I have tried" - and I suspect you know it. Please refrain from making baseless characterizations.

Could it be the other drugs causing the problems?

I think the point is that the other drugs were mostly occasional experiments while they felt compelled to smoke cannabis either daily or not at all.

I had terrible anxiety before I started smoking. I've never felt better, actually. I'm off those SSRI's and I take my Xanax whenever I really need it. I guess everyone reacts differently.

Everyone reacts differently, but remember that time continues to pass, just because things are like this today doesn't mean they will stay the same forever. Most people I know who stopped smoking found the panic attacks and other reactions to present themselves suddenly and without warning. One day you're loving the herb, the next day you think you are having a heart attack after two hits. One of my best smoking buddies had this happen to him, he continued dealing and hanging out with all of us smokers but he just couldn't handle smoking it any more, and no one has any idea why. Shit happens.

I smoked one after a strenous day at work instead of picking up a six pack. The only problem I've had with it is legal problems. I got a possession charge. Since then, I haven't smoked regularly. I realized my job is more important to me. It sucks, but you gotta put your priorities first. In other words, no, it has not physically harmed me. Those SSRI's are, to me, much more harmful.

That's your personal oppinion, for me I would probably be dead if I hadn't taken several aggressive courses of different SSRI's and other meds. I'm not sure how much of my complete online mental meltdown is still left in the archives, but if you want to see the effects of not medicating serious psychological problems they would be a good place to start. I was seriously off the rails.

As for cannabis, I still smoke it daily, but the less I smoke and the longer I leave it during the day the better my emotional stability. I can't stop, but I have no doubt it would do me a lot of good.

--- G.

 

[Khadijah]

This is some funny shit. Im not even high right now and im laughin out loud.

gugglebum I hear ya. I dont know if I agree w/u that weed has been the most harmful (for me it was E) but damn, people are in here and had to come up "lovin tha game" so to speak. unwilling to say something against it. Its aight, cats. It aint all roses and you got to recognize that there is a dark spot. It dont mean the bright is any less or shit aint good or whatever. All it means is after you play your favorite song over and over and over til its so played out you hear it in your sleep, its OK to admit that u dont like it as much anymore.'

It gets tired. Its like slangin, you get in it and shits all good for awhile and it can stay good for quite some time.

But i dont think u could find one oldschooler that wouldnt say something bad about it in the end. It gets old after awhile. Thats the straight truth and I would be rollin my eyes so damn hard they'd get stuck up in there if i was you right now. Peoples INTO it, mang! The stupid just dont stop!

But I think u, gugglebum, you gotta chill out a little. I mean these peopel aint answerin the question you said but yall are BLOWIN the fuck UP over some dumb shit dawg! Its the internet man you aint gotta deal with these stupid asses just walk away from your computer and chill out a little. People tend to act a fool online when shit gets heated. Thas why im laughin. somebody outside reading this thread, is laughin at yall for gettin so worked up over it. you just wanna be punchin people in the face and nothin you can do, so you lash out with words at em. But whats it gonna mean 2 days from now.

by the way
CANNABIS [x] [x] HASH [x] HASH OIL [ ] HOMEGROWN

I didnt know homegrown was a different drug from weed, shit.


Far as all this shit goes Im agreein with Rosclot. The shits got some down sides, but I been smokin about 5 years now and by this time its just somethin I do. Yea theres bad effects to it but what do you expect, you wanna enjoy the constant relaxation and the ability to say fuck it about the world, then you gotta deal with the shit that comes with it. Its weed yall take it or leave it.

 

[bingey]

Regular marihuana use for about 2 years (every day as many joints as possible) brought me into a paranoid state for a few weeks , when walking down the street I thought everybody was making negative comments about me just like when I'm on some speedy drug and haven't slept for a few days.

Also it makes me very anti-social and boring , but the really bad thing about it all in all is that i still love getting high , i try to keep my smoking restricted to the weekend and now prefer hash instead of weed for the more subtle high which allows me to be more social and not just quiet and contempt.

also before I came to bl I used do read the Og forums and I think it's the best forum I you want to know anything about growing weed but the attitude the people there have towards weed is very wrong , people who got problems because of weed are treated like unwanted elements and I think this is the proof that people who smoke pot often don't get more open minded , they like to start "open minded" threads about how wrong some religions are but don't realise they just treat weed as if it were god.

 

[Morrison's Lament]

Good points about OG, Bingeboy. It's an extremely dogmatic place, and it pains me to see people that have genuine problems that are clearly being caused by cannabis (some even appear to be having schizophrenic episodes by the descriptions) basically told to shut up or fuck off.

"dude, lol, wtf, I smoke all day man wtf just smoke better shit I bet you smoke schwag, lol, lol, I get hydro man, fucking bomb, it's watered with cocaine man, I've been smoking since last summer man, I know this shite, I ownzor, so just smoke more and you'll feel better, peaceout dawg"

--- G.

 

[sonic]

^^ Hehe, stupid kids. If only they could read their own posts 10 years from now. I bet they'd be pretty embarrased with the shit they said.

 

[junksick]

Yes, thank you binge that's what I wanted to say about OG. The only good thing about that place is that it's what led me to bluelight. Great for learning how to grow weed, but the people there are only open minded about one thing: weed. If you try to talk about other drugs, homosexuality, religion, politics, or anything else your opinion will not only get flamed if it differs but people will start hating you personally. At least on bluelight people have the common sense to seperate opinions from the person and not take it out of the appropriate threads.

What do you expect from a bunch of teenagers though. They all think the same way, write the same way. As soon as something goes wrong they'll stab weed in the back and blame all their problems on it.

Of course i'm generalizing and not everyone on OG is like that... but the majority is.

 

[Black]

Marijuana is definetly the drug that's harmed me the most. When I smoked weed the fifth time (or something like that) it altered my perception in a very unexpected way. Everything seemed unreal (even the concept of 3D space). You might call it derealisation (but its very different from the derealisation you get from acid where everything seems as if it's immaterial and looks cartoonish; what i got from weed was MUCH more unpleasant).
If that state had lasted only as long as the high I wouldn't even mention it here, but it took many months (in which i didn't take any drugs) before my perception returned to normal!
so weed has harmed me most of all drugs a tried (and my list is about as long as gugglebum's)

 

[Khadijah]

also before I came to bl I used do read the Og forums

OG's dont have forums, bitches

really doe

 

[Adrenochrome]

How about this:
Do not (I repeat for all the potheads: DO NOT) fucking post here if you don't think marijuana has harmed you.
If you're happy being a boring lazy half-way retarded stoner that just sits at home eating Doritos & playing SuperNintendo all day, by all means, do go ahead and keep on smoking, but that's not who this thread is for.

We've already had enough cannabis appreciation threads here, I think you should let the rest speak for once.

You got a bad attitude boi!!
You can't tell me where I can and can't post, and if you want a biased thread where not everyone has opinions then why don't you make up one in your fucked up head lil boi

Once again let me emphasise that weed hasn't done shit to you, you're like those bitches that sue miccyD's becuase you eat to many hambergers and are fat, dude it's you're fucking decision, all drugs are neither bad or good, it's just how you use them, and you didn't use weed right odviously, and i'm not here to tell you how to use weed right or wrong, people got to learn this for themselves, it's very subjective. But i'm saying that you odviously didn't use weed right if you say it's ruined your life the most out of any drugs.

And let me say that I think weed is the drug that has helped me the most out of any drugs, maybe tied with mushrooms, pretty much i just consider weed a hallucingen, so you got to use it like one, don't abuse it.
So holla at a playa and smoke a sack, and if you don't like the herb, no one wants to hear sum1 bitch, but say whatever u want dawg it's a free country i'm not gonna deny you your right to your dumbfuckin opinion BOI!!!

 

[Khadijah]

^^Ay there Lil Homie you are flappin your mouth somethin awful. Time will tell is all I can say. The more you do the worse it gets. You smoke enough crack its a problem. You smoke enough weed its a problem. the REAL problem is that yo ass is on a trip about proving somethin that aint even in the question originally. This cats talkin about somethin that happened to HIM and asking if anyone else had the same thing happen to THEM, nothing else. And you are comin up in here, both of yall talkin out your asses a little bit but that aint the point. I get your point everybody does, they just dont care. You got a problem with gugglebum hatin but you are just hatin right back. yall just look stupid hollerin at each other across the atlantic ocean about whose smoking weed the "right" way.

 

[Morrison's Lament]

Once again let me emphasise that weed hasn't done shit to you, you're like those bitches that sue miccyD's becuase you eat to many hambergers and are fat, dude it's you're fucking decision, all drugs are neither bad or good, it's just how you use them, and you didn't use weed right odviously, and i'm not here to tell you how to use weed right or wrong, people got to learn this for themselves, it's very subjective. But i'm saying that you odviously didn't use weed right if you say it's ruined your life the most out of any drugs.

And there is nothing about a drug or the culture surrounding a drug that contributes in ANY way to the way it's used and/or abused? Then why aren't all drugs used and abused the same way? Explain. And if you can't, then you must concede that the drug is a factor and the dynamic between substance and user is a lot more complicated than you have made it out to be.

And let me say that I think weed is the drug that has helped me the most out of any drugs

So you used all the other ones in the wrong ways? Because you just said all drugs are neither bad or good, it's just how you use them. Obviously you should start using the other drugs more wisely and they would have the exact same beneficial effects on you as weed! By your warped logic, that is.

, maybe tied with mushrooms, pretty much i just consider weed a hallucingen, so you got to use it like one, don't abuse it.

Wait, didn't you just say you weren't going to tell us what was the right way to use any drug because it was individual? The contradictions are adding up.

So holla at a playa and smoke a sack,

Good points so far: all drugs are the same but weed is the best, it's just how you use a drug and not the drug itself but weed is still the best, don't smoke so much but go smoke some right now.

and if you don't like the herb, no one wants to hear sum1 bitch, but say whatever u want dawg it's a free country i'm not gonna deny you your right to your dumbfuckin opinion BOI!!!

Werd. 8)

--- G.

 

[Adrenochrome]

And there is nothing about a drug or the culture surrounding a drug that contributes in ANY way to the way it's used and/or abused? Then why aren't all drugs used and abused the same way? Explain. And if you can't, then you must concede that the drug is a factor and the dynamic between substance and user is a lot more complicated than you have made it out to be.

Well the drug is a factor, but if you wanna have a rich life(not talkin dollars) then you got to take responsibility for your actions and stop blaiming things, becuase you can't change the past, there's no way you can prove that it was only weed that did what you thought weed did to you, and it was your decision every move you made, so accept it. Maybe you didn't mean to do something, or something turned out not the way you want it, well then it was an accident or a mistake and you got to accept that this type of shit is gonna happen, just take what you've learned in life and use it, don't play the blaim game, that's pointless.(i'm not saying you refering to you morrison lament, i'm talkin about like anyone in general)

So you used all the other ones in the wrong ways? Because you just said all drugs are neither bad or good, it's just how you use them. Obviously you should start using the other drugs more wisely and they would have the exact same beneficial effects on you as weed! By your warped logic, that is.

Let my try and clairfy: Opiates(and most other drugs) can be good or bad, they can help people but they can also lead to disasterious life styles, they are just drugs, they don't make decisions for you so you can't just blaim them for the disasterious life style if you got it from that drug, you got to realize that where you are in life is all from decisions you have made, and accept it, and try to make better/good decisions in the future.(People probably already realize this)

Wait, didn't you just say you weren't going to tell us what was the right way to use any drug because it was individual? The contradictions are adding up.

Well I ment that i'm not gonna lay down something and say it's a fact, but I am gonna offer my opinion, and I did

Good points so far: all drugs are the same but weed is the best, it's just how you use a drug and not the drug itself but weed is still the best, don't smoke so much but go smoke some right now.

You must have misunderstood my post, let me again use the example of McDonalds:
If you were eating McDonalds and then got fat or some other strange problems arrose, you should realize that it was your decision, and life with it. You can say that mcDonalds has ruined your life the most out of any resturants, but what the fuck does this really matter which resturant has effected you the most, it was entirely the result of your choices of what resturants to use.
A better way to grade resturants(or drugs), would be to kind of set up a ratio of how much it has effected it over how often you used it.

IT DOESN"T SUPRISE ME THAT WEED EFFECTED YOU THE MOST IF IT WAS THE DRUG YOU USED THE MOST


Werd. 8)

--- G.

 

[psychetool]

Once again let me emphasise that weed hasn't done shit to you

I just think it's funny that he's telling the other guy what weed has and has not done to him when he has never met the guy in his life and has absolutly no idea how it effected him other then what he posted here. I have seen plenty of burnouts in my time, and I vow not to become one. I can honestly say that some of these people would be far better off if they chose to cut down or abstain, but they can't and they don't want to even try.

As I stated before, cannabis facilitates major laziness for me which in turn fucks up my school and work. Take that how you will.