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I'm wondering if anyone with ASD can give some perspective.

I've been thinking about empathogens for autism. Not as a cure or anything. But just to actually feel connected to others and enjoy socializing.

I don't have a official diagnosis but I fit most of the criteria for ASD. I have been chronically lonely my whole life. I don't get any sense of reward or fulfillment from socializing. Every time I try talking to anyone I regret bothering. I feel nothing. No warmth or kinship. Just boredom and/or overwhelm. But I still get the pain of having no meaningful relationships, go figure.

The more I look into it, the more it seems like I could benefit from this kind of drug. I know the risks, don't get me wrong. But I would do almost anything to be capable of having positive social experiences.

I've been through therapy, which can change the way you think about and interpret social situations. But it doesn't fundamentally change what socializing feels like.

So. Empathogens. Do they deliver?
 
Sounds more like aspergers

My sister had two children with autism well 13, and 19. Thirteen is t that bad, can not speak many words. Nineteen year old cannot speak, shakes head uncontrollably, spits on walls, in public. He’s very high on the autism spectrum

I was diagnosed with adhd and stimulate s may help but I dont take them much due to possibly anxiety and sleep issues depending on the dose

What do you mean you regret bothering?

How you talk to yourself is more important than anything, your internal dialogue

Like if it’s a woman you’ve talked with dont take that shit personally. Making mistakes is how you get good at talking to woman

If they don’t like you move on. Man or woman . Some people give off bad vibes , that doesn’t mean you can’t do business with them . That doesn’t mean you can’t get together for some kinesetic fun but im older now and choosing wise is important

It all depends on what you want and willing to out up with or accept. It’s okay to do nothing as well

Of course empathogens deliver and for healths sake must be used infrequently
 
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Sounds more like aspergers

My sister had two children with autism well 13, and 19. Thirteen is t that bad, can not speak many words. Nineteen year old cannot speak, shakes head uncontrollably, spits on walls, in public. He’s very high on the autism spectrum

I was diagnosed with adhd and stimulate s may help but I dont take them much due to possibly anxiety and sleep issues depending on the dose

What do you mean you regret bothering?

How you talk to yourself is more important than anything, your internal dialogue

Like if it’s a woman you’ve talked with dont take that shit personally. Making mistakes is how you get good at talking to woman

If they don’t like you move on. Man or woman . Some people give off bad vibes , that doesn’t mean you can’t do business with them . That doesn’t mean you can’t get together for some kinesetic fun but im older now and choosing wise is important

It all depends on what you want and willing to out up with or accept. It’s okay to do nothing as well

Of course empathogens deliver and for healths sake must be used infrequently
Autism and Asperger's are no longer separated diagnoses in the DSM 5. They're all lumped into one category now.

It's not just about if people like me or not. It's about an inability to feel positive emotions emotions and human connection when I socialize. Regardless of how I'm treated. Socializing feels draining and like a chore. Like I said I either get bored or overwhelmed. It just feels like a waste of time. No fulfilment or reduced lonliness.

Social and emotional queues don't register for autistic people in the same way. In my case I'm hypo-sensitive to them.

My question is really meant for other autistic people who experience similar hypo-sensitivity.
 
So. Empathogens. Do they deliver?
It will definitely help bring out emotions, I'm kinda hypo- and hypersensitive at the same time, sounds like you are too with being overwhelmed by too much stimuli. It will feel forced at times though, especially the comedown can suck, way less severe with 5-mapb for example, has a similar therapeutic potential. Try it out, you don't have much to lose, but don't pin all your hopes on it either. How does alcohol affect you? Doesn't make you more talkative?
 
It will definitely help bring out emotions, I'm kinda hypo- and hypersensitive at the same time, sounds like you are too with being overwhelmed by too much stimuli. It will feel forced at times though, especially the comedown can suck, way less severe with 5-mapb for example, has a similar therapeutic potential. Try it out, you don't have much to lose, but don't pin all your hopes on it either. How does alcohol affect you? Doesn't make you more talkative?
Thank you for this reply.

I'm hypersensitive to noise for sure. And fabric texture. Hyposensitive to a lot of social/emotional stuff.

As for your other question alcohol makes me feel pleasantly lethargic.

I always drink alone. So that might have an impact.
I've never been to a bar or anything mostly because I don't have friends to go with. But if I'm in a decent mood already, I'll do people watching/star gazing while drunk. Which is nice. I don't get any desire to talk with anyone, though.
 
Bars aren't my thing either, never understood the appeal really, even with friends it's just a place you sit together and drink while other people are loud and obnoxious around you, I stopped going years ago. Human contact is pretty labour intensive, it drains my energy to be around a lot of people and interact with them. Empathogens will make everything so much less awkward, but that's kinda the same with gabaergics like alcohol or benzo's to me, it takes away a lot of anxiety to step over that initial contact.

An old friend of mine was pretty autistic, he swore by the book "how to win friends and influence people", said it made him more open and sociable. Never read it myself because I don't really believe in selfhelp books like that, similar to your experience with therapy sessions, it's more lived experiences that really drives you further imo. You need to try and push yourself even though you don't like it, even it it fails just try and try again. You'll get better with time, but we'll probably never be the same as most people, that's okay too, I've accepted I'm kinda a loner.
 
Bar s are a weird kinda protocol you can make use of but i wonder if it has any uses.
Not a bar type either, but if i drink and go to a bar. twice in a decade, i go barefoot by myself. The ultimate use of a bar is you can walk in alone, drink some, an spit some rambling s. And leave when it still is active, the novelty of hitting a bar.

Besides using their 'loo' i see no point in drinking Booze in a bar, but solely.

I always wondered if i might possible have Autism. I got a diagnose for AD[h]D.
But don t really fit in, my son has Asperger and is also not like me. He is also not like teh type Innerspace described of the 19 year old kid of his sister [or her ?
Hard distinguishing but i assume guy]. 50 %.

So Autism covers a broad spectrum. A girl i know, is akin to a closed type of Autisme.
The consensus was she couldn t really do much. Till they discovered she could answer
fine when sent by mail.

And not only could she read and write Dutch a little, she was real good in English and Japanese for a autodidact. She is 2 year s older the my daughter so att 11 year old.
That when she found way s to connect with her Mom and Dad. Both pretty Autistic.
Using my auto-diagnoses on.

And that is very relevant time, when i was born only low functioning and extreme high excisted, Rainman. Where known, what is your age ? I feel as i grow older, 50 + my fear s shrink, and my believes get or stronger or had there time.

I have little fear in social situation s and getting less anxious by the year.
I just feel awkward. Except when the vibe is right, then music alone with people.
Can get me in the natural ecstasy zone.
Never gave in to closing up totally, there were times it was bad. I d rather have fled.
But glad i never gave in totally in giving up or closing myself up to people.
Which is good as that is how i meet people these day s,
i am most of the times still open.

And have encounter s with people likewise leading to funny situation s where 3 generations meet up. Me the Dutch dude, meeting a guy, Angel from Africa.
A newcomer on the bock, refugee 25.
Who knows Sky separate from me.
Sky is a guy i know since stranding in this mini village on this island.
He is 65 +, from Indonesia who stranded here to in the 50-ties, we all share that.

Sky was the first person i met here that was real. He even asked why did youi decide to go live here. I have no clue, half my family was born here, i feel like a foreigner.
So that was the nice moment its about, universe align s kinda feeling.
MDMA can t beat that, no drug can.

But revisiting this place under influence of MDMA is good. You get a instant smile on your face. Re-Experience the feeling MDMA has a cetrain magic, no other category has. I feel they can enable you to stay on the right track, but i have to think about it.
As they can also wreck lives. Unlike psychedelic s.

Do you have experience with MDMA or Psychedelic s ?
As Blowmonkey put it MDMA is kinda heavy on stimulii.
I was gonna mention bk-MDMA, he mentioned 5-MAPB.
Both probably thinking back of the last time we took a pill.
Not a good experience, i closed a addiction. And lost the magic.

Even bk-MDMA or 5-MAPB, took these always solo.
Advisie to myself now would be treat this drug with respect.
It s way to heavy on my system would i conider taking it.
Especially when i gonna be interacting with people that week.
But i had my share of these drug s, abused MDMA.

On Lysergic s or Tryptaminen i don t experience this after effect.
Why i prefer them at this age.
 
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Bars aren't my thing either, never understood the appeal really, even with friends it's just a place you sit together and drink while other people are loud and obnoxious around you, I stopped going years ago. Human contact is pretty labour intensive, it drains my energy to be around a lot of people and interact with them. Empathogens will make everything so much less awkward, but that's kinda the same with gabaergics like alcohol or benzo's to me, it takes away a lot of anxiety to step over that initial contact.

An old friend of mine was pretty autistic, he swore by the book "how to win friends and influence people", said it made him more open and sociable. Never read it myself because I don't really believe in selfhelp books like that, similar to your experience with therapy sessions, it's more lived experiences that really drives you further imo. You need to try and push yourself even though you don't like it, even it it fails just try and try again. You'll get better with time, but we'll probably never be the same as most people, that's okay too, I've accepted I'm kinda a loner.
That's good to know, thanks.

I've looked into self help before. I really wish it worked for me. But the vast majority of it assumes a baseline ability to "read the room" that I just don't have. There's a "vibes" component that I just can't grasp.

I probably will be isolated as long as I live. Doing my best to make peace with it. I hate pushing myself. Got a weak will haha.
 
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Is there any particular astronomical events/aspects that particularly intrigue you while star gazing?
Not really? I don't know much about space. But I can spot the big + little dippers, usually. Maybe I should learn the other constellations.

For now all I can say is that the stars are at their prettiest when I'm intoxicated.
 
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I can relate very much to this. I've come to the conclusion that my oxytocin is generally too low and always has been. The few times I've actually enjoyed socialising in my entire life have been on some kind of a drug cocktail, usually involving an entagtogen or psychedelic. I'm actually gonna get myself some oxytocin nasal spray to try next as I can't currently roll on my SSRI 😞 but the med is so helpful in every other way. I feel you with the loneliness pangs. I'm not yet diagnosed with anything either. For me it's either autism or schizotypal PD, possibly both. There's a bit of both spectrums in my bloodline.
 
It's not just about if people like me or not. It's about an inability to feel positive emotions emotions and human connection when I socialize. Regardless of how I'm treated. Socializing feels draining and like a chore. Like I said I either get bored or overwhelmed. It just feels like a waste of time. No fulfilment or reduced lonliness.


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That's a shame.

Have you ever tried phenibut? If so did that change how you experienced social interaction?
 
I haven't. I'm gonna look into it now though.
Anything you want to know hit me up. I'm not encouraging you to try it but it's a pretty special substance. If you do I'd advise start low and I would also say don't dose more than once a week would be the most important thing.
 
I would definitely imagine MDMA will improve symptoms of Autism lol. But only take it occasionally!
 
As someone with a similar situation to yours and that got into empathogens for this same reason, i can give some (limited) insight. This will read like a train-of-thought kinda thing, because it is, so bear with me. I'm not fully on mega autistic but i am definitely on the spectrum (diagnosed) and in general have struggled with mental health (have been to therapy a few years, have been on ssris which SUCK, etc etc).

It does work, even long term and not just while under the influence, but it's not a cure-all, and it can exacerbate some of the mental unpleasantries you tend to think/overthink as someone who is not fully socialized if you misuse them.

My experience with MDMA specifically, especially the first time taking it, was overwhelmingly positive to the point it felt like a parody of a drug. It was as if i had been a crumpled, inverted glove all my life, and suddenly someone had blown air into it to turn it 'wearable', and even as the effects faded, the glove stayed the right way and uncrumpled. It basically gives your brain hardware drivers for what 'love' is supposed to feel like and how much of it you are capable of feeling. Perhaps even to a fault, more on that later. But it does bring out sensations and emotions you usually would not find possible to experience and adds a new permanent dimension and depth to what you can usually feel.
From a self-proclaimed recluse who avoided leaving his house as if his life depended on it, and an unsocialized awkward mess that would avoid people like the plague and get fatigued after 2 hours spending time IRL with good friends and someone who absolutely fumbled being in love like a teenage unempathetic autistic prodigy would, i turned into a very sociable guy who decided to embrace the party lion collective social lifestyle and herald the love i feel for others on MDMA even when sober because i now know that it's now a thing i can feel and wish to cultivate it as much as possible, everything else be damned, because i suddenly don't feel excluded from people and their lives anymore, not in a 'collectivist taxpayer social duty' way, but in a more primal caveman brotherhood tribal way, if that makes sense. I actually like people a lot more now.
There's also in my case a religious side to it, but that's not relevant here and i won't discuss it much, but "do unto others" is a much easier task now.

The bottom line is, socializing is now for me a good thing, and while i still absolutely suck at it and am (at least, in my mind) a fucking embarrassment when doing it, i now actively seek it and no longer get drained when interacting with people for long periods; i make friends easier, i talk to people more eagerly, i am much more willing in taking the risk of talking to someone instead of being quiet and shy, and i lost quite a bit of my underlying misanthropy i had cultivated over the years; music now brings out emotions violently out of me, especially hardcore techno since that's what i like to roll with and i love it (rob gee was absolutely right). I also talk to girls MUCH easier even normally now, it's a lot less daunting of a task now, although i suspect wanting to genuinely just befriend/talk to them and being disinterested in getting into their pants them also helps (if anyone has found a molecule that fixes being absolutely fucking done with women and their bullshit and not wanting to deal with it anymore, let me know), but if you're still playing that game, this will help you not be afraid to play it.
You can't really go back to the hikkineet dark room lifestyle after seeing the light, and finding peace with others instead of being constantly judgemental and wary is something that feels achievable now, and I wish i had taken it sooner, really.
In this regard, i find it unmatched: psychedelics didn't do this, only molly did. For example LSD was overwhelmingly disappointing in this regard; it helped in many other ways, but not in heightened/learned shared empathy and need/desire/aptness for socialization.
So if you want change in this sense, this can definitely catalyze it like no other drug i've tried so far.

What's the catch, then?

The catch is that the comedown is more insidious than for the normal user, at least for me, and you can easily go overboard in how seriously you take these newfound feelings. It can get overwhelming.
I don't get depressed or apathetic like many people do, i mean, i'm already kinda depressed and gloomy and apathetic in general (i wouldn't be desperately experimenting with hard drugs otherwise), but it absolutely exacerbates anxiety in me for at least a week and then some afterwards, and flashbacks to embarassing moments or stupid shit i did in the past (in general but especially during raves because of course you're an obnoxious hyperstimulated idiot on molly) come back in the form of almost physical pain pangs, constantly, more than normal and usual. I also become a sub-30 IQ idiot after taking it and will make the stupidest fucking decisions ever and bother strangers during the train ride back from the venue even after the effects have all but faded, because my brain is still zapped out of normal functioning. The feeling of 'my existence is a bother to others' is absolutely amplified for at least a while afterwards after i regain my wits and realize what i've said/done and i become a regretful insecure blob for the entirety of the period in which my neurotransmitters are off-balance. Supplements do help, but the (alleged?) tryptophan hydroxylase inhibition lasting as much as it does really makes sense in how i feel afterwards and for how long. I perceive a lot of myself and my behaviors as pathetic, my brain does the rest, and now i'm not having a great time. I also don't have a very fulfilling life, so i feel this a LOT more than others would, and if you're in a similar boat then things can become harsh pretty quick. It won't make your life any better, just your mindset towards some specific aspects of it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Add to that the fact that i tend to obsess over interests and experiences, and you have a nervous wreck uninterested in most anything going on (or not going on, really) in his life for a while who's genuinely distraught for DAYS about having bumped with some random girl in the club almost spilling her drink or having bothered strangers at a club or not feeling worthy of being in the crowd because you don't know the etiquette and scene well enough or heightened feelings of self-consciousness to my 'weirdness' on top of what i usually worry about. Hell, i still grimace if i think about some of it.
I feel like i crave external validation WAY MORE now because of all this, is what i'm saying. You might not be immediately equipped to deal with how much you might like people now and it can bring about some less than ideal moments, so being level headed especially afterwards is something you are going to have to put effort in being. You will tolerate loneliness less (not solitude per se, but actual loneliness), if you're already isolated it can make you absolutely LOATHE your current life situation (which, i mean, can be good if that's motivation to change it, but it can get hard to want to be around people and not have any around).

If you think these kind of worries and issues may seem irrational or stupid, that's kinda the point. If you tend to be overly self-conscious, this is something that can absolutely make it worse to some extent. I initially thought this was just me being me at first since i do this shit normally but i quickly realized this was coming from something chemically tangible going on in my brain, since it becomes stronger after a roll. I think i would probably ignore it or not care if i was more "normal" since most people usually shrug this off and don't care even when doing more embarrassing shit than me (drunk people are way worse...), but if you're autistic and overthink your existence and have poor social skills and easily regret awkwardness, boy oh boy. You'll be debating and fighting those thoughts for a while. It's not incapacitating but it kinda feels like it sometimes. It definitely can steer your behavior to be more accommodating and anxious, which is kind of the opposite of what you want out of the experience.
A healthy lifestyle definitely helps offset this a lot. Taking supplements during comedown periods also do help (you should be taking them before, during and after). Benzos also help if you get them prescribed for anxiety/insomnia as i do (alprazolam) but you should be wanting to deal with it as soberly and as functionally as possible. But they do help a lot. Weed on the other makes it worse in my experience.

All this being said, i still love mdma. It did help me immensely over a lot of personal trauma, it did help me understand a dimension of feeling i didn't know existed, it did diminish my suicidal ideation to the point it's almost not a problem anymore, it did open up a new world for me, it did make me meet friends i would have never talked to otherwise, it does nuke my everlasting background anxiety, and it is absolutely spectacular even in just a purely hedonistic way. But it will absolutely turn on you on a DIME the second you stop respecting it and taking it with any degree of measurable frequency without you even knowing what hit you.
Out of an abundance of caution I wouldn't take it more than 3, maybe 4 times a year TOPS (3 months between uses is what is usually considered responsible but it's still a lot if you do it EVERY 3 months), but i still tend to recommend the experience to all my friends in the spectrum. It's something i personally think everyone really needs to witness at least once, because for the emotionally stunted, the poorly socialized and the ones with latent unresolved issues (every human alive it would seem given how shit things are in general.........) it really is like being able to see for the first time. I don't think it substitutes good therapy outright but it definitely complements it and gives you things that only therapy just won't give you.

I do wonder about 6-APB and similar alleged comedown-less empathogens, and I am also curious about mescaline in this sense, as it seems to have the best of both worlds, and should be trying it at some point next year, but i'm sure someone would know better about these substances around here.

Either way, it is a powerful tool for the understanding of what purpose socializing is for, if you don't have the capacity to understand it, or have had bad experiences when trying it and only have negative feelings associated with it, but you'll still have to put in work in general.

I hope this is of some value and isn't just a masturbatory excercise in writing. I'm sure other people in here can and will relate at least somewhat to the experience i'm describing.
 
As someone with a similar situation to yours and that got into empathogens for this same reason, i can give some (limited) insight. This will read like a train-of-thought kinda thing, because it is, so bear with me. I'm not fully on mega autistic but i am definitely on the spectrum (diagnosed) and in general have struggled with mental health (have been to therapy a few years, have been on ssris which SUCK, etc etc).

It does work, even long term and not just while under the influence, but it's not a cure-all, and it can exacerbate some of the mental unpleasantries you tend to think/overthink as someone who is not fully socialized if you misuse them.

My experience with MDMA specifically, especially the first time taking it, was overwhelmingly positive to the point it felt like a parody of a drug. It was as if i had been a crumpled, inverted glove all my life, and suddenly someone had blown air into it to turn it 'wearable', and even as the effects faded, the glove stayed the right way and uncrumpled. It basically gives your brain hardware drivers for what 'love' is supposed to feel like and how much of it you are capable of feeling. Perhaps even to a fault, more on that later. But it does bring out sensations and emotions you usually would not find possible to experience and adds a new permanent dimension and depth to what you can usually feel.
From a self-proclaimed recluse who avoided leaving his house as if his life depended on it, and an unsocialized awkward mess that would avoid people like the plague and get fatigued after 2 hours spending time IRL with good friends and someone who absolutely fumbled being in love like a teenage unempathetic autistic prodigy would, i turned into a very sociable guy who decided to embrace the party lion collective social lifestyle and herald the love i feel for others on MDMA even when sober because i now know that it's now a thing i can feel and wish to cultivate it as much as possible, everything else be damned, because i suddenly don't feel excluded from people and their lives anymore, not in a 'collectivist taxpayer social duty' way, but in a more primal caveman brotherhood tribal way, if that makes sense. I actually like people a lot more now.
There's also in my case a religious side to it, but that's not relevant here and i won't discuss it much, but "do unto others" is a much easier task now.

The bottom line is, socializing is now for me a good thing, and while i still absolutely suck at it and am (at least, in my mind) a fucking embarrassment when doing it, i now actively seek it and no longer get drained when interacting with people for long periods; i make friends easier, i talk to people more eagerly, i am much more willing in taking the risk of talking to someone instead of being quiet and shy, and i lost quite a bit of my underlying misanthropy i had cultivated over the years; music now brings out emotions violently out of me, especially hardcore techno since that's what i like to roll with and i love it (rob gee was absolutely right). I also talk to girls MUCH easier even normally now, it's a lot less daunting of a task now, although i suspect wanting to genuinely just befriend/talk to them and being disinterested in getting into their pants them also helps (if anyone has found a molecule that fixes being absolutely fucking done with women and their bullshit and not wanting to deal with it anymore, let me know), but if you're still playing that game, this will help you not be afraid to play it.
You can't really go back to the hikkineet dark room lifestyle after seeing the light, and finding peace with others instead of being constantly judgemental and wary is something that feels achievable now, and I wish i had taken it sooner, really.
In this regard, i find it unmatched: psychedelics didn't do this, only molly did. For example LSD was overwhelmingly disappointing in this regard; it helped in many other ways, but not in heightened/learned shared empathy and need/desire/aptness for socialization.
So if you want change in this sense, this can definitely catalyze it like no other drug i've tried so far.

What's the catch, then?

The catch is that the comedown is more insidious than for the normal user, at least for me, and you can easily go overboard in how seriously you take these newfound feelings. It can get overwhelming.
I don't get depressed or apathetic like many people do, i mean, i'm already kinda depressed and gloomy and apathetic in general (i wouldn't be desperately experimenting with hard drugs otherwise), but it absolutely exacerbates anxiety in me for at least a week and then some afterwards, and flashbacks to embarassing moments or stupid shit i did in the past (in general but especially during raves because of course you're an obnoxious hyperstimulated idiot on molly) come back in the form of almost physical pain pangs, constantly, more than normal and usual. I also become a sub-30 IQ idiot after taking it and will make the stupidest fucking decisions ever and bother strangers during the train ride back from the venue even after the effects have all but faded, because my brain is still zapped out of normal functioning. The feeling of 'my existence is a bother to others' is absolutely amplified for at least a while afterwards after i regain my wits and realize what i've said/done and i become a regretful insecure blob for the entirety of the period in which my neurotransmitters are off-balance. Supplements do help, but the (alleged?) tryptophan hydroxylase inhibition lasting as much as it does really makes sense in how i feel afterwards and for how long. I perceive a lot of myself and my behaviors as pathetic, my brain does the rest, and now i'm not having a great time. I also don't have a very fulfilling life, so i feel this a LOT more than others would, and if you're in a similar boat then things can become harsh pretty quick. It won't make your life any better, just your mindset towards some specific aspects of it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Add to that the fact that i tend to obsess over interests and experiences, and you have a nervous wreck uninterested in most anything going on (or not going on, really) in his life for a while who's genuinely distraught for DAYS about having bumped with some random girl in the club almost spilling her drink or having bothered strangers at a club or not feeling worthy of being in the crowd because you don't know the etiquette and scene well enough or heightened feelings of self-consciousness to my 'weirdness' on top of what i usually worry about. Hell, i still grimace if i think about some of it.
I feel like i crave external validation WAY MORE now because of all this, is what i'm saying. You might not be immediately equipped to deal with how much you might like people now and it can bring about some less than ideal moments, so being level headed especially afterwards is something you are going to have to put effort in being. You will tolerate loneliness less (not solitude per se, but actual loneliness), if you're already isolated it can make you absolutely LOATHE your current life situation (which, i mean, can be good if that's motivation to change it, but it can get hard to want to be around people and not have any around).

If you think these kind of worries and issues may seem irrational or stupid, that's kinda the point. If you tend to be overly self-conscious, this is something that can absolutely make it worse to some extent. I initially thought this was just me being me at first since i do this shit normally but i quickly realized this was coming from something chemically tangible going on in my brain, since it becomes stronger after a roll. I think i would probably ignore it or not care if i was more "normal" since most people usually shrug this off and don't care even when doing more embarrassing shit than me (drunk people are way worse...), but if you're autistic and overthink your existence and have poor social skills and easily regret awkwardness, boy oh boy. You'll be debating and fighting those thoughts for a while. It's not incapacitating but it kinda feels like it sometimes. It definitely can steer your behavior to be more accommodating and anxious, which is kind of the opposite of what you want out of the experience.
A healthy lifestyle definitely helps offset this a lot. Taking supplements during comedown periods also do help (you should be taking them before, during and after). Benzos also help if you get them prescribed for anxiety/insomnia as i do (alprazolam) but you should be wanting to deal with it as soberly and as functionally as possible. But they do help a lot. Weed on the other makes it worse in my experience.

All this being said, i still love mdma. It did help me immensely over a lot of personal trauma, it did help me understand a dimension of feeling i didn't know existed, it did diminish my suicidal ideation to the point it's almost not a problem anymore, it did open up a new world for me, it did make me meet friends i would have never talked to otherwise, it does nuke my everlasting background anxiety, and it is absolutely spectacular even in just a purely hedonistic way. But it will absolutely turn on you on a DIME the second you stop respecting it and taking it with any degree of measurable frequency without you even knowing what hit you.
Out of an abundance of caution I wouldn't take it more than 3, maybe 4 times a year TOPS (3 months between uses is what is usually considered responsible but it's still a lot if you do it EVERY 3 months), but i still tend to recommend the experience to all my friends in the spectrum. It's something i personally think everyone really needs to witness at least once, because for the emotionally stunted, the poorly socialized and the ones with latent unresolved issues (every human alive it would seem given how shit things are in general.........) it really is like being able to see for the first time. I don't think it substitutes good therapy outright but it definitely complements it and gives you things that only therapy just won't give you.

I do wonder about 6-APB and similar alleged comedown-less empathogens, and I am also curious about mescaline in this sense, as it seems to have the best of both worlds, and should be trying it at some point next year, but i'm sure someone would know better about these substances around here.

Either way, it is a powerful tool for the understanding of what purpose socializing is for, if you don't have the capacity to understand it, or have had bad experiences when trying it and only have negative feelings associated with it, but you'll still have to put in work in general.

I hope this is of some value and isn't just a masturbatory excercise in writing. I'm sure other people in here can and will relate at least somewhat to the experience i'm describing.
No this reply is perfect. Thank you for writing it.

You're right that our situations are similar. I am very much a shut in. So reading this was really helpful.
 
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I'm wondering if anyone with ASD can give some perspective.

I've been thinking about empathogens for autism. Not as a cure or anything. But just to actually feel connected to others and enjoy socializing.

I don't have a official diagnosis but I fit most of the criteria for ASD. I have been chronically lonely my whole life. I don't get any sense of reward or fulfillment from socializing. Every time I try talking to anyone I regret bothering. I feel nothing. No warmth or kinship. Just boredom and/or overwhelm. But I still get the pain of having no meaningful relationships, go figure.

The more I look into it, the more it seems like I could benefit from this kind of drug. I know the risks, don't get me wrong. But I would do almost anything to be capable of having positive social experiences.

I've been through therapy, which can change the way you think about and interpret social situations. But it doesn't fundamentally change what socializing feels like.

So. Empathogens. Do they deliver?
Oxytocin is released by your body when you take methamphetamine, and oxytocin is responsible for those I love you man! Vibes you're feeling. You tend to form close bonds similar to a new mother and her infant.
 
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