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Autism and empathogens

@soulless_curiousity - my couples therapist says I'm on the spectrum, and for empathy I don't find that any drugs have really enhanced it. Sometimes marijuana would give me a new perspective that helped me appreciate the little things and made me very docile and receptive, but I don't necessarily suggest it, what I suggest is working on it with your therapist to find blindspots you may have. I'm sure you're capable of understanding it, and drugs won't help you understand it - it's a shortcut with temporary results, if you even are so lucky to find one that somewhat helps.

And please don't listen to the post above mine. Ridiculous to try meth for this situation. No offense to seneville. If you have questions about it ask.. I used meth for years, made me a monster - quite the opposite of your goal
 
soulless_curiousity said:
I'm wondering if anyone with ASD can give some perspective.

I've been thinking about empathogens for autism. Not as a cure or anything. But just to actually feel connected to others and enjoy socializing.

I don't have a official diagnosis but I fit most of the criteria for ASD. I have been chronically lonely my whole life. I don't get any sense of reward or fulfillment from socializing. Every time I try talking to anyone I regret bothering. I feel nothing. No warmth or kinship. Just boredom and/or overwhelm. But I still get the pain of having no meaningful relationships, go figure.

The more I look into it, the more it seems like I could benefit from this kind of drug. I know the risks, don't get me wrong. But I would do almost anything to be capable of having positive social experiences.

I've been through therapy, which can change the way you think about and interpret social situations. But it doesn't fundamentally change what socializing feels like.

So. Empathogens. Do they deliver?
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I don't get a sense of connectedness. (My whole response to MDMA is atypical.) But it might work for you; it does for a lot of autists. There have been studies that point to increased interest in socialization for a while.

Autism often comes with a side order of trauma and the learned behaviors that tag along. What got me unstuck somewhat was working upward with doses of psilocybin, which provided me some useful insights about that trauma.
 
Rukan said:
ngl shrooms are just good news in general methinks
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I have considered it. It seems scary to me though because of how fast it can switch up on you, if you get what I mean.

I'm not saying never but I do believe I would need to feel bit more "stable" first.
 
streaM Freak said:
^ yes please answer that one, and also I'm curious about weed how it works on you
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I haven't tried it. As for weed... it's a very mixed bag. I haven't used it socially because I don't have anyone to use it with. But what I've observed on my own:

-Sensory stuff is more intense, as is my emotional response to it. Colours especially feel very bright.

-I can't always tell where sensory input is coming from. Though that's dosage dependant.

-,A combination of deep relaxation and deep anxiety. I can feel anxious in one hour, then relaxed in the next.

-Lonliness sometimes gets worse. Often accompanied by a strange feeling that I will be hurt or that others want to hurt me.

-Breathing exercises help a lot to stave off negative feelings.

-I gain a bizarre desire to do yoga? Can't explain that one. It feels good stoned. I hate it sober.

-I can't think analytically but everything feels profound

-I can't think about the past or future. Only the present.

-Heavy time dilation. I once tried to microwave noodles high, set the microwave to two minutes, checked it probably five times in the span of thirty seconds.

-Horrible brain fog during the comedown. My thoughts feel fragmented and it becomes frustrating.

I feel like weed is probably a social drug. Chances are I would have a good time doing it with a friend who I trusted, if I had such a person.

It's not bad on my own, don't get me wrong. But it's not an easy high, mentally speaking. I have to be an environment where I can be calm. I can't imagine existing among strangers in that state.

All of this is impacted by the fact that I tend to combine with alcohol to make it more bioavailable. I use concentrates or edibles rather than smoking which I suspect impacts things too.
 
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