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Are there any empathogenic downers?

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MDAI is said to be somewhat sedating as it hits almost purely on serotonin with very little dopamine effect.
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Well said. Also, more physically relaxing than MDMA for me.

Edit: sorry for the layout.
 
Gbl/ghb .

Some benzos are more euphoric than others aswell. I found etizolam quite uplifting but that was mainly an effect of feeling less anxious.

2cb is definitely less stimulating. Never tried 2c-d/2c-c but imagine the former to be even less stimulating and the latter possibly aswell.


Methylone/butylone also two close relatives that are less stimulating i found
 
Anonymous Dissident said:
This. You beat me to it lol. GHB can definitely have entactogenic effects in the right circumstances.
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Yeah, GHB has even been called "liquid ecstasy". I've heard people claim that is a misnomer and GHB and MDMA are nothing alike but I disagree. Granted, they are not chemically similar and one is a stimulant and the other a depressant but when it comes to the subjective effects, I think they have some commonalities. The body high I get from GHB reminds of the body high from MDMA, they both enhance music and increase sociability, empathy and tactile sensation. I think the slang term is justified, at least when used in a context where it's clear it's referring to some of the effects and not the pharmacology.
 
I think what you are asking about is the essence of speedball.
any polydrug mixture of a stimulant with a depressant
entactogens traditionally are stimulants.
the classic is methamphetamine and heroin - it is not a great direction to become expert at, we have lost so many great singers and actors who found out they could do the speedball trick, and they kept on doing it till they died while doing it and one part of the mix went a bit too high.
 
I think you are right with that kinda, I have not really got to heroin, tried it very little once, it was bit mellowy, definitely would get addicted!

But methamphetamine is really level-headed stimulant but empathogenic effects of it are rather dull and they don't really lead anywhere. But there are some. Oxycodone+methamphetamine would be kinda more clear-headed and stimulated, I guess, compared to your "suggestion".

Of course really bad idea.

Go for pregabalin or phenibut. Little bit of weed. Mellowy peaceful loving feeling and there is bit of mania and stimulation too. No alcohol or other downers (at least any more than you daily do). High doses of stimulants added to high doses of gabapentinoids have some sort of risk of seizure, and you don't really need them with gabapentinoids anyway.

Once a week or absolutely max. twice a week if you are going for recreation.
 
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