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Are mushrooms the forbidden fruit??

Roger&Me said:
Well they obviously can't be the forbidden fruit, because they aren't even in the plant kingdom... they're fungi! (=D)
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Yes of course, thousands of years ago people knew all the difference between fungi and plants! Also they knew the exact definition of a fruit. I wish I had had those clever ideas before!
 
Efoj said:
I believe the forbidden fruit to be a legend concerning consumption of a mushroom or cannabis or anything else, but certainly something that gave people deep insight
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I don't think most people living back then would consider being high on mushrooms "insight", I think they'd be terrified and think the devil had come for them. Like the english family who accidentally ate mushrooms in the 18th century - they were terrified they'd gone insane and called the doctor. They didn't get any religious feeling from it at all. I think that's how the vast majority of people would feel unless you were taught by someone that it was a mystical experience. Remember these are totally uneducated people with very little knowledge of anything - they were shovelling pigshit 10 hours a day. The idea that they're going to have mystical profound thoughts is very far-fetched.

To take mushrooms by yourself one day - having never heard of them, having no idea whether they're dangerous or not, whether they drive you insane and expect them to sit there philosophising? It simply isn't going to happen.

People can have mystical experiences from a thousand things other than mushrooms.
 
been thinking about this.. i think the forbidden fruit is the ego.. its from the tree of knowledge.
 
boiledfruit said:
You mean from the Bible? Yes. It is. However, I don't understand why God wouldn't want his people eating it. Maybe we weren't supposed to know what the fruit will reveal to us?

Mushrooms and Cannabis are the 2 plants that will save the world one day. Cannabis will save it first though. Mushrooms will just be apart of the global spiritual awakening.
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It is my belief that the person who forbade the Tree of Knowledge was not "God" but was Pharaoh. In ancient Egypt, the Pharaohs were considered "gods". The Hebrews were ingesting Psychedelics and the Pharaoh, who was considered a "god" forbade them to do that.

It is my belief that the Tree of Knowledge (Psychedelics) is the true God and that the Serpent was Christ.
 
How about something a little more clinical (didn't see this posted): The Sacred Mushroom and The Cross

There are numerous theories ranging from cannabis to mushrooms being an enhancement or inducer of the visions of Christ and many other major religious leaders/organizations. Veda is no exclusion of this rule, with their Soma. The reigning theory I subscribe to is that Christ was a traveling Middle Easterner/African who happened across a Vedic teacher who taught him some interesting things and he brought that back, reformulated for his people.

If I remember correctly, Judaic Rabbi's were commonly known to utilize mushrooms as well in their practices. I am unsure of this was more a rumor but I'm sure someone could find more information on it.

I have not read the posted text so I have no clue how valid of an article it is, but it was cited 150 times if that's saying anything.
 
This is a picture of the Serpent and the Tree of Knowledge (the Amanita Muscaria Mushroom) from a 13th century fresco on a French abby. From the book "Soma, the Divine Mushroom of Immortality" by R. Gordon Wasson. (The red Agarics look like apples.)



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Who drew this?

I'd be more impressed by an actual photo rather than some hippies "interpretation" of it.

It's like that Terence Mckenna drawing of "the mushroom man". It looks absolutely convincing till you find out it isn't the actual drawing, it's an "interpretation" of it done by...Terence Mckennas wife.
 
Ismene said:
Who drew this?

I'd be more impressed by an actual photo rather than some hippies "interpretation" of it.

It's like that Terence Mckenna drawing of "the mushroom man". It looks absolutely convincing till you find out it isn't the actual drawing, it's an "interpretation" of it done by...Terence Mckennas wife.
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This is the actual photo of the wall of the 13th century abbey. It can be found in Wasson's book.
 
Do you buy the theory that amantia had such positive effects in people? It's considered absolute shite by almost everyone I know who likes psychedelics.

Would the ancients really have fallen in love with it? I mean, as soon as vodka hit Siberia they dropped using amantia like a stone.

Even Mckenna questioned why Wasson tried to push such a horrendous drug as amantia as Soma.
 
Ismene said:
Do you buy the theory that amantia had such positive effects in people? It's considered absolute shite by almost everyone I know who likes psychedelics.

Would the ancients really have fallen in love with it? I mean, as soon as vodka hit Siberia they dropped using amantia like a stone.

Even Mckenna questioned why Wasson tried to push such a horrendous drug as amantia as Soma.
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There are quite a few people, myself included, who, from experience, would disagree with that.
 
Ismene said:
Do you buy the theory that amantia had such positive effects in people? It's considered absolute shite by almost everyone I know who likes psychedelics.

Would the ancients really have fallen in love with it? I mean, as soon as vodka hit Siberia they dropped using amantia like a stone.

Even Mckenna questioned why Wasson tried to push such a horrendous drug as amantia as Soma.
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I realized that my previous post wasn't too clear. What I was trying to say was that I believe that Amanita Muscarias are Psychedelics, and disagree that They are horrendous.

Of course, any Psychedelic can seem "horrendous" to those who don't want to accept what they are being shown by Them.
 
For a start if there were no mushrooms where would gnomes shelter when it rains ?
 
somaeye said:
It is my belief that the person who forbade the Tree of Knowledge was not "God" but was Pharaoh. In ancient Egypt, the Pharaohs were considered "gods". The Hebrews were ingesting Psychedelics and the Pharaoh, who was considered a "god" forbade them to do that.

It is my belief that the Tree of Knowledge (Psychedelics) is the true God and that the Serpent was Christ.
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But the Jews didn't see the Egyptian Pharaohs as gods. In fact the old testament deals with the enslavement of the Jews by the Egyptians and their emancipation. How does that square with the fact that the god of Genesis, the creator of all things and the god that the Jews worship, was a Pharaoh?
 
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But the Jews didn't see the Egyptian Pharaohs as gods. In fact the old testament deals with the enslavement of the Jews by the Egyptians and their emancipation. How does that square with the fact that the god of Genesis, the creator of all things and the god that the Jews worship, was a Pharaoh?
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It is my understanding and belief that the "Jews" started off as Egyptians. And after they became Jews, they were constantly turning back to the gods of Egypt -- i.e., the Pharaoh. Moses, of course, was supposedly raised in the Pharaoh's house. He obviously worshiped the gods of Egypt until the day the true God revealed Themselves to him.

Also, I believe that the religion of Osiris, Isis, and Horus was, once, a true religion. It then became lost just as the Jewish, Christian, etc., religions of today have.

"Christians" today believe that the Pope is Christ's true representative. I would think that, back then, people thought that the Pharaoh was the true representative of Osiris. "He (Osiris) was classically depicted as a green-skinned man with a pharaoh's beard," (from Wikipedia).
 
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somaeye said:
It is my understanding and belief that the "Jews" started off as Egyptians. And after they became Jews, they were constantly turning back to the gods of Egypt -- i.e., the Pharaoh. Moses, of course, was supposedly raised in the Pharaoh's house. He obviously worshiped the gods of Egypt until the day the true God revealed Themselves to him.

Also, I believe that the religion of Osiris, Isis, and Horus was, once, a true religion. It then became lost just as the Jewish, Christian, etc., religions of today have.

"Christians" today believe that the Pope is Christ's true representative. I would think that, back then, people thought that the Pharaoh was the true representative of Osiris. "He was classically depicted as a green-skinned man with a pharaoh's beard," (from Wikipedia).
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Right, that makes so much sense. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
 
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