Are humans made to naturally eat meat

[extropy]

Simply to eat and survive?

not sure what you're getting at here? we don't need to eat meat. at all..

Birds are stupid i have no problem eating most of them

goats are retarded...cows are too

i like lamb - but i feel bad for the cute little baby sheep so no i wouldn't kill it

veal...i love veal....baby cow kept in a box....but it is really good - i just buy the meat - its not my job so i dont care

kobe beef....they give the cow a massage before they slit its throat

lol

dude, ok, im not getting involved with that heh.

 

[Mjäll]

genuinely, if you read venom in my initial post, you must have misinterpreted me. i was only messing around. i was just trying to fling a few facts back in the direction of all these carnies that have inhabited this cool dude's thread. i had to push back!


i wasn't trying to convince them. if i had my way, i would force them.

And then you got messed around with in return, i guess. It was kind of a nobrainer remark to make. No hard feelings either way.

What's your purpose if not to convince?

 

[extropy]

And then you got messed around with in return, i guess. It was kind of a nobrainer remark to make. No hard feelings either way.

i don't remember getting messed around with?

Muah X

What's your purpose if not to convince?

my own personal amusement

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

not sure what you're getting at here? we don't need to eat meat. at all..

yea but back in the day, fresh crops weren't available year round

so we ate the animals

 

[Mjäll]

i don't remember getting messed around with?

Muah X


my own personal amusement

And i don't remember sending you any venom...

Okay so your factual writeup on some really important stuff on a forum was not intended to convince anyone, but to personally amuse yourself? Are you then pleased with my response? Or are you still pissed because i was off topic?

 

[birdup]

I cant stop the fossil fuel industry, but I can stop what I put in my belly. We all can. It’s a start.

And yes, I do donate to charity where I can, I don’t really see where that line of reasoning is headed though?

Do you not agree its wrong to kill an innocent being who wants to live, simply for your sensory pleasure?

Sure, it's a start.

To answer your question: no I don't think it's wrong for me to eat scallops.

I'm just extending your logic with the fossil fuel stuff.

Do you think it's wrong to kill innocent beings who want to live, simply for your sensory pleasure?

You're not doing everything you can to prevent blood on your hands.

Vegans act as if they don't have (preventable) blood on their hands.

That's bullshit.

@Mr. Krinkle

I ate a freshwater croc for breakfast.

 

[extropy]

Sure, it's a start.

To answer your question: no I don't think it's wrong for me to eat scallops.

that isn't answering my question - i said 'a being that wants to live'. scallops don't have a brain so i doubt they 'want to live'. see what i'm sayin'?

You're not doing everything you can to prevent blood on your hands.


Vegans act as if they don't have (preventable) blood on their hands.

That's bullshit.

i'm genuinely doing as much as i can. please don't deny going vegan is not a big step in preventing *all manor* of catastrophes. from health to climate to soul....

please dont think i act like i dont have blood on my hands. i try to be ultra aware of the damage i cause in this place i find myself. i want to try and leave it better than i found it.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

@Mr. Krinkle

I ate a freshwater croc for breakfast.

Really? that's awesome

crocodile sausage and eggs? how do you cook it?


i just had a bowl of this soup:

 

[extropy]

And i don't remember sending you any venom...

Okay so your factual writeup on some really important stuff on a forum was not intended to convince anyone, but to personally amuse yourself? Are you then pleased with my response? Or are you still pissed because i was off topic?

your response was perfect. it was like a cute little moth attracted to the Light and Magnitude of my arguments, but it didn't quite know what to do when it got there. it like fluttered around the point, but never quite made it. i like moths anyway.

 

[birdup]

@Mr. Krinkle

I like Amy's soup.
Eat it all the time.

Quality shit.

We just spit roast the whole croc. I like to suckle on the tail and I always get first dibs on the flesh around the nostrils because that's the most tender.

 

[Mjäll]

your response was perfect. it was like a cute little moth attracted to the Light and Magnitude of my arguments, but it didn't quite know what to do when it got there. it like fluttered around the point, but never quite made it. i like moths anyway.

I wasn't really interested in your arguments. I know the whole debate in-and-out and it's at a standstill. Your rhetoric though was interesting.

You're ignoring the other part but whatever.

 

[birdup]

i'm genuinely doing as much as i can.

No, you're not. Don't lie to yourself.

please don't deny

I didn't.

 

[extropy]

I wasn't really interested in your arguments. I know the whole debate in-and-out and it's at a standstill.

err, no its not. its objectively immoral for you to kill an animal for your sense pleasure. there is no standstill, the vegans won buddy

You're ignoring the other part but whatever.

go on then, what did i ignore (and it better be important)?

 

[extropy]

No, you're not. Don't lie to yourself.



I didn't.

dodging the question and getting all emotional now?

 

[birdup]

Neither of us are getting emotionally.

It's in your head.

 

[extropy]

i have no hate for carnies, i just think they're indoctrinated.

we'll get there

 

[Mjäll]

err, no its not. its objectively immoral for you to kill an animal for your sense pleasure. there is no standstill, the vegans won buddy


go on then, what did i ignore (and it better be important)?

Okay, wasn't at all impressed with that particular argument. The others are better.

You ignored the part about convincing people. Usually arguments and rhetoric are produced in order to convince. Even if done for amusement, it should still essentially be the same thing. Otherwise, what's the amusement? Why so serious about being on topic in the first place?

Don't you agree rhetoric is debatable? I would love to debate rhetorics.

To me the environmental argument is the strongest for vegans and for omnivores it's the health/evolutionary argument.

 

[extropy]

Okay, wasn't at all impressed with that particular argument. The others are better.

are you a moral realist?

You ignored the part about convincing people. Usually arguments and rhetoric are produced in order to convince. Even if done for amusement, it should still essentially be the same thing. Otherwise, what's the amusement? Why so serious about being on topic in the first place?

well my rhetoric so far has attracted three challengers. all of whom have failed to answer the above point. so, i'm amused thanks.

i wasn't exactly *serious* about being on topic. i bought it up because you dared challenge me, but you offered nothing of substance. and still haven't

Don't you agree rhetoric is debatable? I would love to debate rhetorics.

i don't really care for it. you either face the facts or you don't. take your flim flam machine elsewhere.

To me the environmental argument is the strongest for vegans and for omnivores it's the health/evolutionary argument.

my starting point is i have no right to kill a being that wants to live when i dont have to. im not even bothered about my health to be fair. i just aint contributing to the death of the critters i adore.

and seeing as the study suggests vegans are more healthy, the evolutionary/health argument does not work in your favour.

 

[birdup]

i just aint contributing to the death of the critters i adore.

Yes you are. You just aren't eating them.

carnies

Small hands. Smell like cabbage.

that isn't answering my question - i said 'a being that wants to live'. scallops don't have a brain so i doubt they 'want to live'. see what i'm sayin'?

That's not veganism, though. I don't understand how you can say scallops are okay to eat because they don't have brains and veganism wins?

 

[darvocet21]

Yes, but only on the odd occasion. Humans originally ate a primarily fruitarian diet (with around 70% of our diet consisting of fruit and the rest of vegetables, seeds, nuts) with only very occasionally killing an animal and eating its meat.

Unless you're describing the Garden of Eden there was very limited fruit hundreds of thousands of years ago and early hominids certainly would have subsisted on plentiful protein by the coasts in the form of shellfish and highly nutritious seaweeds while closer Inland and in the fertile valleys they would have lived on all sorts of roots and berries and fruits but especially nuts and seeds and above all you're under estimating the quantity of insects and also animals died or killed by Predators that were driven off in other words early humans were doing a lot of Scavenging which would have continued through the development of Agriculture and animal husbandry