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Anyone tried Argyreia Nervosa (aka hawaiian baby woodrose)?

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Hey hey,
I've been curious about these seeds I heard about recently. I read a blog saying it was the best legal psych around, sorta similar to LSD (they contain LSA) - it would obviously reassure me if I could have a more detailed report and opinions on it before trying it myself. Has anyone ever taken these?
 
Yeah, I actually always ordered those for a good LSA high and never tried morning glory. (Somehow it felt so much more convenient to eat 8 large seeds instead of 150 small buggers :D). They cause a lot of nausea but for obvious reason I can't compare them to the other seeds. Guess I was young and stupid and you should actually make some sort of brew out of them or filter the poisonous substances another way. The trips were great though, and LSA gives a beautiful feeling of intoxication if u ask me. I've also heard only the ones from Hawaii are actually active. Also remember to scrape the brown coating from the seeds as it only contains poison.
 
Great thanks! Yeah I did hear they have quite a body load, but I've been doing lots of aMT lately so I figure it can't really be worse than that haha. Noted about the coating. Would you mind describing what the trip was like?
(also you said 8 seeds is good? Reports seem to vary from 5 to 10).

Think I'll be ordering some soon then :D
 
8 seeds is I think the most I've done, and it was a very big high for me. I've even done as little as 3 and it gave me a nice change in consciousness too. If I were looking for a strong high, I'd do 5 to 8 depending on my sensitivity for a first time experience. 10+ might be going hardcore. The high I would describe as a feeling of being super stoned (very pleasant), while retaining all mental clarity and not feeling the urge to fall asleep at all, combined with a mentally darker, less visual version of a LSD trip. It always brought a lot of interesting thought patterns and emotions just like acid and I always felt great mentally, but the body load was sometimes killing it. It also has potential to feel very mystical and profound. I haven't done aMT, only read a bit about it, but be ready for a possibly worse bodyload. With bigger doses it gave me extreme stomach aches and nausea, to the point where I was only capable of lying down and moaning out of pain for like 2 hours. Pain usually gets a bit less intense after some of poison is digested, but will probably still be present for most of the trip. Maybe have some pot ready for that opportunity. Hope they don't turn out that heavy on the nutritive canal for you, every individual reacts differently after all. :) And be sure to share some experience after u do it. :)
 
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I had a great trip with these. It was a certain strain though because the strain I bought afterwards wasn't nearly as good feeling (or potent). That first trip though, I had some pseudo-visuals that were kind of powerful... I can see the aspect of LSD and having to stare at something for a few seconds for the visuals to come into effect. Staring at a tile looked crazy because the borders were enclosing in a way that slightly spiralled and morphed a bit. Everything was more beautiful also. The last great aspect was the stimulation.

The funny thing is, even though I was very stimulated and 100% awake, my friend passed out soon after taking them. After about an hour I woke him up, where he immediately ran outside and puked. Afterwards he was finally awake and constantly bragging about how great those seeds are.

to the above post: Never had any kind of stomach pain or upsetness from these. Mostly my stomach becomes upset when thinking about the taste.
 
I've had up to 16 HBWR. I have never been so sick in my life, even with the CWE.

I found the experience to be deeply sedating and intoxicating, quite introspective and lucid CEV and some OEV, like a light dose of LSD.
The nausea and gut cramping was torturous though. Some people find vasoconstriction a problem, you might pre-load with niacin OP, if this is an issue for you.

Interesting, but I don't think I'll repeat.
 
Hmm. I hadn't realised the nausea/stomach cramps could actually continue during the trip...I always feel quite sick on come-ups but it leaves completely as soon as I peak, which makes it worth it, but if with these you feel sick during the trip as well that isn't so great :\ but all of you who get the nausea on it still think it's worth it?

Oh also, how long does it last?

thanks a lot for all the answers anyway! :)
 
OP, make sure you get actual Hawaiian HBWR, not the ones from Ghana or wherever. Also, make sure they are untreated (organic).
 
Can't quite remember how long it lasted... quite a few hours I think.

Yeah, it's probably "worth" the nausea, if you want to make it worthwhile.
Just make sure you have access to a bathroom! This is not a recreational drug.
You may need also your duvet :)
 
Use a cold-water extraction (distilled not tap!) to reduce nausea.

And vomit, if you can, that will help clear the nausea.

Anyway, that's just my experience, YMMV... some people don't get sick.
 
When you say CWE, do you mean similar to what you would do to extract ibuprofen/paracetamol out of opiates? That's the only CWE experience I have so I dunno if you mean something different for the poison in these?

CathodeRayTube said:
Can't quite remember how long it lasted... quite a few hours I think.

Yeah, it's probably "worth" the nausea, if you want to make it worthwhile.
Just make sure you have access to a bathroom! This is not a recreational drug.
You may need also your duvet :)
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As long as it's 12 hours or less that's okay, I just want to make sure it wouldn't be more :)
I'll be sure to use them at home and on my own then, thanks for the warning.

CathodeRayTube said:
OP, make sure you get actual Hawaiian HBWR, not the ones from Ghana or wherever. Also, make sure they are untreated (organic).
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Yup I saw that!
 
Some people just eat the seeds slowly over the course of an hour or two to avoid nausea, a seed or two every 10 minutes.

I haven't gotten nausea with a Methanol extract: 21 seeds turned to resin as a dose. 16 of the same batch of seeds using cold water extract had me very sick (poor filtering).

Don't shake the extraction and you will pull less of the nauseating saponins/ soap-like glycosides. Stirring is fine.


Also, one can use Ginger root or Lemon essential oil predoses to help prevent nausea.
 
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Poor filtering may have been my problem too. I whizzed the seeds up well in my coffee grinder, mixed the powder in distilled water.
Then covered the bottle with foil (protect from light!), left in the fridge (protect from heat!), then after a few hours, filtered the juice through a coffee filter.

Then drank the poison :\
 
Pagey said:
CathodeRayTube said:
Can't quite remember how long it lasted... quite a few hours I think.

Yeah, it's probably "worth" the nausea, if you want to make it worthwhile.
Just make sure you have access to a bathroom! This is not a recreational drug.
You may need also your duvet
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As long as it's 12 hours or less that's okay, I just want to make sure it wouldn't be more
I'll be sure to use them at home and on my own then, thanks for the warning.
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Yeah home or some safe, quiet environment in general is probably best setting to start with. It shouldn't be over 12 hours with moderate doses like those I took, main trip was usually 8+ hours for me but after 12 I would only feel some afterglow (which always lasted a while for me, as with LSD).
 
lucky you then, but they are known to contain poisonous substances and often strongly irritate the stomach. BTW I wonder what's their influence on the liver.
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Actually they don't. There are many persistent myths about psychedelics and the old 'cyanide in the seed coat' for baby woodrose (or your version that they are just poisonous) is a common one.
 
I didn't experience any nausea on 15 seeds. My friends took the same amount and threw up, but after that they were fine. We put them in a coffee grinder then soaked in lemon juice for 15 minutes. My friend insisted we put them in lemon juice, Idk why. Maybe that's why nausea was very limited at such a high dose.
 
I'd also like to point out that we swallowed the seed pulp as well as the lemon juice and didn't scrape the coating.
 
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I should have been more specific. "Poisonous" is a loaded word. If we mean poisonous as in toxic to living organisms like nerve gas or cyanide...then no...there are not poisons in the seeds. The seeds do contain soap-like glycosides and these are what cause the nausea. At no dose will this poison you but you certainly may vomit after a few hours.

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Actually they don't. There are many persistent myths about psychedelics and the old 'cyanide in the seed coat' for baby woodrose (or your version that they are just poisonous) is a common one.
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I have had some excellent experiences with these seeds. They are one of my favourite natural hallucinogens.
I find that scraping the seed coating takes away around 80% of the nausea and nearly all gut cramps.
IME the cold water extraction process is a waste of time, I have gotten more powerful and trippier experiences from chewing 5 than I do with 10 in a tea. I think some of the trippy alkaloids are left in the seed mush in the extraction process.
I found that the subtleties of the high do not become apparent until you have some experience in the way the experience explains itself. It wasn't until my 4th or 5th trip on it, that I noticed some of the more interesting effects start to come out. Now I can see trees breath and make repetitive patterns swirl madly by just relaxing my eyes to the right kind of focus(or lack of).
I recommend to chew 4 or 5 for your first time, making sure they are smooth and fuzzless. If the taste grosses you out, try not to be repulsed, try to really aborb it and the more you absorb the taste the more the high will be enhanced.
Same with the nausea, relax into it, absorb it, and it will soon pass.
I hope you have many great experiences on this wonderful drug.

Edit]. ps , I completely forgot to mention the high lasts for a fair while; 45 mins till it kicks in, 3 to 4 hours till peak and then another 10 or 12 till it slowly fades away.
Probably 14 to 20 hours all up, but I've never had trouble sleeping on it.
 
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