Anyone tried Argyreia Nervosa (aka hawaiian baby woodrose)?

[kiu]

they are known to contain poisonous substances and often strongly irritate the stomach. BTW I wonder what's their influence on the liver.

Actually they don't. There are many persistent myths about psychedelics and the old 'cyanide in the seed coat' for baby woodrose (or your version that they are just poisonous) is a common one.

I should have been more specific. "Poisonous" is a loaded word. If we mean poisonous as in toxic to living organisms like nerve gas or cyanide...then no...there are not poisons in the seeds. The seeds do contain soap-like glycosides and these are what cause the nausea. At no dose will this poison you but you certainly may vomit after a few hours.

Thanks for clarifying that. Not poisonous then, but certainly not very well suited for human consumption and bad for stomach. Seems like I got a bit mindwiped by the "interweb lore".

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

It's very similar chemically to LSD and fairly similar in effects as well, except there isn't much for visuals.
The body high is very similar to LSD, except expect the possibility of crippling nausea and headaches on the comeup, but this should go away once the drug hits.
For me this happened right after I vomited, then bam my pupils were the size of saucers.

 

[[éS]Infinite]

I have never tried an extraction of the seeds, but I have eaten 5 seeds with the husks removed. The trip was rather profound and allowed me to explore depths of my mind I hadn't known existed. However during the first half of the experience I was almost completely silenced and afraid to move due to nausea. In the social setting that it was done in, this was slightly uncomfortable. Things really picked up and turned out well once we went outside to enjoy nature in the wintertime.
Overall, it was an extremely enjoyable time, however I prefer LSD since it lacks the nausea I experienced.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Hey guys, if you want a more consistent 'all natural, and not really but sorta legal' psychedelic check out yopo/cohoba. It's ungodly cheap, and if you don't want to snort beans and if you don't just want the milder side which is what you get smoking the beans..... you can always EASILY extract the bufotenine for a first rate valid psychedelic that is about 8-10X more potent than DMT when smoked, or you can even eat it (no MAOI needed).

Yopo (the beans toasted and mixed with lime and cooked, then smoked....that's how I've always done it) has a 'body element' but it passes within 2-5 minutes and then the trip begins.

I've had a five really important trips on woodrose seeds, and two of those actually FELT great...but the one that actually felt heavenly were on FRESH seeds and they don't stay that way long. All of the other trips had horrendous body issues and that's why I stopped taking them.

Yopo beans have one alkaloid that is important and it doesn't degrade...where as woodrose seeds rely on multiple alkaloids, all unstable (or if you go for the Webster theory, rely on a complex interaction between ergine and isoergine.

Just sayin!

 

[[éS]Infinite]

Hey guys, if you want a more consistent 'all natural, and not really but sorta legal' psychedelic check out yopo/cohoba.

Hey MGS, I have been interested in yopo seeds for some time, however their availability has been something I have had some trouble with. I am wondering if you have any experience with cebil seeds (Anadenanthera columbrina) and how they might compare to yopo (Anadenanthera peregrina)?

 

[Morninggloryseed]

I made a recent post in the Bluelight Yopo thread. I've only tried Anadenanthera peregrina...or that's what they are supposed to be. From all my reading (which I assure you is vast) the only difference is the cebil seed can be a bit more potent. Any amount of DMT and 5-MeO-DMT (which are only there as trace alkaloids in the cebil) would be cooked off in the 'toasting' process...so either bean works and works the same.

 

[[éS]Infinite]

I had read that cebil was found to contain greater amounts of bufotenine than yopo, but was unsure if the DMT and 5-MeO-DMT alkaloids in yopo would exist after toasting and have some impact on the subjective effects. Thanks for the quick reply!

 

[figure11]

There are some extractions that can really help minimize nausea.

 

[Expansion420]

Hi Pagey- I wanted to share my past three HBWR experiences with you. I have organic seeds, no idea their location of origin, that for my first experiment opted for a Cold Water Extraction. I used 12 seeds for the extraction. Long story short- it was underwhelming. The second experience was the best. I had removed the outer coating of each seed (contrary to some beliefs) to reduce nausea [9 seeds were used] and ground them to a fine powder using a mortar & pestle. I then placed the powder into empty capsules. I swallowed the seed powder at 7:15pm, felt a sign of mild nausea around 8:30, a hint of psychedelia around 8:45, and by 9 I was laying in a bed in our cabin enjoying being horizontal. CEVs were beginning and I felt an incredible sense of unity with my surroundings. By 10 I sublingually administered 50mg MDMA so the experience report becomes slightly tainted, but I will mention that I was aware of persisting visuals (open and closed eye) through the 8 hour mark. It was one of my favorite psychedelic experiences to date.

The third time I used HBWR seeds I took 8 seeds in the same manner as the last experience, scraped, ground and capped. Long story short, it felt like being sedated for the first three hours, then the 3-4hr mark yielded confusion and a mild body load. By the 4hr mark the experience turned into a trip. All CEVs but a very LSD-like mindset which persisted through the 6-7hr mark, and the remainder of the experience was a manageable come down.

I enjoy HBWR seeds more so than MG seeds and LSD. I will try ten seeds next time, following the ingestion with 100mg MDMA around the 3hr mark. Hope I was able to help

 

[JackARoe]

I've really only had fresh HBWS some years back. Someone from the tropical climate had grown some, picked them in the pods and gave them to me. 3 of them was a full blown trip. I can not imagine taking 12 and 15 like I see reading here. But I do know they don't retain their potency for too long. I think after a year they are less than half the original potency. Fresh is best.

Yopo, hmmm. Again, like a lot of us I have had some (cebil) for 10 years and have done nothing with them. But it seems here in 2013 bufotenine is no longer considered irrelevant like it was the last 30 years. I may have to do some more research.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

The nice thing is bufotenine never degrades....snuff older than Europe have been found in Tombs 1000s years old over here in the New World...with the expected bufotenine content still detectable. The fact that Yopo is cheap, readily available, fun to prepare (not to mention easy), is about one of the most incredible personal discoveries I've made in my psychedelic career. And I've only smoked toasted beans based with baking soda so I know I haven't even done it right since baking soda does not really make the PH high enough to fully 'basify' the bufotenine. I suspect when I try it the 'right' way using lime or perhaps ammonia, I will be in for an even better surprise. In the coming weeks I plan on working with the pure bufo isolate and see what these bad boy beans can really do. Ummm mmm, love their peanut buttery taste also!

 

[immad]

^How would you compare the experience to 5-MeO-DMT?

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Kinda a cross between the psilocin and 5-MeO-DMT experience but really not too much like either. Beyond the obvious 'tryptamine' feeling, bufotenine is pretty unique stuff. Very visual (like psilocin), but also a strong physical component that does remind me of 5-MeO-DMT. All in all, really great stuff....certainly more accessible as compared to all but perhaps the freshest baby woodrose seeds...but with the added benefit of only lasting an hour or so...instead of 12 hours.

 

[Brendan12]

Ive done HBWR several times with the highest amount being 17 seeds. Not feeling a thing each time; I eventually gave up on finding a High or Psychadelic Moment on these Baby Woodrose.

To the Polarity: Mourning Glory Seeds got me really high on two packs. I had Euphoria and Skill in my Video Game Context!

 

[JackARoe]

The nice thing is bufotenine never degrades....snuff older than Europe have been found in Tombs 1000s years old over here in the New World...with the expected bufotenine content still detectable.

Thanks MGS. I think I may have been fishing for an answer to that. Sometime we keep stuff a long time without researching. So I can confirm Salvia does not degrade and you just confirmed to me that Yopo doesn't degrade. It may be time to march forth and look further into it.

When it comes to and mgs or hbws, I think too many people pass up a really good available entheogen. We read about cramps, nausea, weakness, and other things and people get turned off. I have experience nausea for a bit but I have to say I have had some of my best trips on mgs. And I don't say that lightly and I am no bunny head. I have been to Grateful Dead concerts since 1979 and have had the best of the best for years from la familia back in the day. That was when I could get acid very easy and very cheap and very real, unlike here in 2013 where I am removed from the whole festival scene or concert scene, at least to the point of knowing people. That's ok, I can accept getting older and losing touch. But 2013 also carries 100 different options, a lot of them legal. But I hold any LSA containing seed in high respect and know for sure they can produce great trips.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Heh we do...i sat on my yopo for almost 6 years before trying it. And I can also confirm at least 13 year old S. divinorum has not degraded in any way from when I first got it.

I am done with LSA seeds myself until I can get a good source of FRESH, fresh Rivea corymbosa....now that sounds like a good night.

 

[ParappaTheRapper]

first time i ate morning glory I prepared 300 CWE extracted seeds, correctly, but didn't think it did anything, but had prepared it correctly...from info lurking on here before i was a member. lol. I was in a party environment with non trippers and it hit me in the face. Everyone became pastel cartoons, but not like other drug effects, like a natural feeling since I had created this potent legal headfuck just like chillin and noone had any idea what was going on...lol

 

[mortiis11]

my first time with lsa i had scraped about 15 HBW seeds crushed them up and left them to sit in a bottle of distilled water. this was kept out of the heat and light for a day and a half i belive then contents were strained through a filter and the resulting piss coloured solution was drank between 2 of us.

no effects were felt, this was quite disapointing but hasnt put me of from future research with lsa. as i currently have a new lot of seeds hopefully of higher quality than the last lot.

 

[EarthBounded]

HBWR seeds are an amazing adventure, I would agree they are the best legal alternative, at high doses I have felt exactly like I do on a few grams of Mushrooms, the Nausea is pretty bad, I have found ways around it like in my tek here:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/667662-Best-LSA-tek-hands-down

I have also snorted Cebil seeds with lime, it was a very important trip for me, however I felt crazy for the days following the trip, a DMT breakthrough is very enjoyable and bright a bufotenine breakthrough is super dark and lonely, I have no other way to describe it. I also experienced a complete loss of motor skills for one of the first times ever. Good learning experience

 

[kidklmx]

Why don't you grow Rivea Corymbosa, MGS? They're a bit harder than morning glories from what I've read, but given the proper climate (e.g anything better than Holland) it should be fairly easy. Looks pretty swell too :D