Anyone seen methamphetamine in the UK/Europe?

[bignbrown]

From what i know, it is being produced by eastern european gangs in UK and more recently in Ireland but sold at extortionate prices comparatively speaking.

And methamphetamine > mephedrone in almost every way

yeah ive over done mephedrone, dont get the same amazingly europhic high from it anymore. Dont know any eastern european gangs

Its not something i would like to do more than once though.

 

[Evad]

I've heard of it being produced in the Netherlands and the UK though I'm not sure to what scale this was.

 

[fastandbulbous]

Mate who I used to get speed off, years ago, turns up one night and say's,"I've got some methamphetamine, do you want any as I don't have any of the normal speed". In the end, people - regular customers - were asking if he had any normal speed as it was causing them to go completely do-lally. Of course, muggins here was all too keen to buy what had been brought back - that was the start of 3 months of paranoia, twisted behaviour and generally things that nearly ruined my relationship

 

[Tryptamite]

I'd give it a shot if I ever came across it. I know of one fellow who had it once, a very small amount obtained from an eastern European. I don't think i'd get heavy into it as from what I've read its much worse for you than normal speed. I wouldn't worry about the addiction potention myself personally as uppers are not my thing.

 

[Shambles]

One of the guys in last nights documentary said he took it once and that was it, addicted.

Yeah, but that's just bollocks. People say the same thing about crack and smack and it ain't true then either

In the end, people - regular customers - were asking if he had any normal speed as it was causing them to go completely do-lally.

Same here. I used to know a phet chemist who supplied large parts of the country for many years and he would make the occasional batch of meth. He usually couldn't give it away once people had tried a couple of doses for the novelty factor so I ended up buying most of it. Most people I know who've tried it much prefer good quality speed. Quite like it myself though

 

[Crankinit]

I can't imagine why you woul prefer normal amphetamine over meth. Maybe you guys are used to racking 1/4 - 1/2 a gram of base then getting meth and doing the same doseages? If taken at the right dose (50mg-ish is a good start) then it kicks regular speed all over the place :D

Of course it's also proportionally more addictive and toxic, so maybe you guys are better off without it, especially given the culture of reckless drug use that seems to exist in europe.

 

[muttonchops]

Chatting to a guy at Brighton pride couple of weekends ago, he said he tried it a few weeks back in brighton, apparently its becoming more popular down there on the scene. I'd bite some ones hand off to get a little sample.

 

[neilios]

Thought would add my thoughts/experiences to this thread.

Whilst living in Australia had a lot of exposure to Meth (it is massive there, as well as pure amphet).

Tried smoking it and snorting it, I personally am not a big phet fan - did like this stuff though but the comedown was very harsh (I do not deal well with phet comedowns mind). On the plus side keeps you up for a long time and sex is amazing on it.

In OZ it is a massive problem and I met alot of people who were hooked on it.

My understanding is you can get it in shards (like glass) and also in different forms (more milky crystals) which can give different highs (although this could just be a different form of pure speed).

In OZ you could get really pure speed - so to compare to UK I have not come across speed anywhere near as good (just crappy cheap whizz) and have not seen Meth at all (and have tried to obtain).

This seems strange as there is a big drugs culture in the UK so surprised this stuff not had a bigger impact or has been more visible.

Gonna watch that documentary tonight as saw advertised previously and looks a little interesting...

 

[Shambles]

This seems strange as there is a big drugs culture in the UK so surprised this stuff not had a bigger impact or has been more visible.

You'd think so but I've known a lot of heavy speed users - was one myself for a long time - and it just never took off amongst them when it was available. The guy I used to get it from made standard sulphate powder, pastey base, liquid phet and meth. Just about everybody preferred the base given the choice. Nothing to do with cost either cos he charged the same price for liquid speed as he did for meth (both cheap but more expensive than standard speed) and he just couldn't shift it. Even the liquid speed (which was fuckin' lush) was difficult to shift and generally had to be cut before people would use it. Odd. There was no big media hype about meth at the time though so maybe that made a difference.

 

[neilios]

I guess it could just be preference - to be honest I have never been involved in the whole speed scene a great deal until I went to OZ, a bit of base and whizz in the UK and that was about it.

Out there you get sulphate powder / crystal but it is pretty much pure (nothing like the whizz I had seen in the UK) and alot of people IV over there (this could be due to price / purity at circa $300 a gram!).

My understanding (and experience) is that it is a different high (Meth vs. Sulphate) - still find it strange though that it has not become bigger here given the availability of different types of phet in OZ and the large no. of heavy users of meth, wouldn't mind a cheeky pipe either :/

 

[Shambles]

I think maybe the duration plays a role in it's relative unpopularity. I think most casual speed users are more into just a night out or a weekend on it at most. Not many seem to be up for staying awake for days on end and all the fun that that entails. It's not really too practical unless you do nothing but take drugs and have no other responsibilities.

 

[Crankinit]

If nothing else, the process of smoking meth is just so damn fun. Slowly melting it, twirling the pipe in your hands to spread it evenly in the bowl and watching the yummy smoke spiral up the pipe is awesome, I'd do all my drugs that way if I could

Duration isn't an issue. Smoke a bowl before you head out for the night, have another around the 2 - 3am mark and you're down at 7 or 8 and sleeping by midday.

But really it's fucked up shit, way too addictive and way too toxic

 

[Shambles]

That's if you can stick to just the one or two redoses. Not always so easy - especially when you bear in mind that it was a hell of a lot cheaper than it is in Australia. Used to cost a bit more than double the price of standard speed at the time but he only made small batches for "special" customers. Every time I had meth I was up for a week without sleep and fiended my way through the lot

 

[neilios]

Smoking it was quite nice, still though think this might take off a bit more in the UK in the future.

Having met some really hardcore addicts I have seen first hand the real destruction it can bring (and psychosis also) without the media hype and mirages - it really is dangerous, we knew a girl whos face had literally caved in (that is real phenomenon, not just scare stories from the press) from smokin / doin just too much meth.

Not sleepin or eating for days / weeks probably isn't the best thing for your health - still surprised that not in the UK though as I am sure plenty of people would get into it....

Maybe just availablility although I guess supply would be there if there was a demand - I really should get back to work but handing in my notice today so can't be F'ed, would definitely go for a little pipe right now if available!

 

[Shambles]

That was the thing - in the time when I could get it there was supply but no demand even after free samples were distributed. People would try it once or twice and then go back to the standard speed they knew and loved. I honestly think a lot of the reason people here are so keen to try it now is because it's got such a "mean motherfucker" of a reputation these last few years. At the time it was all but unheard of so nobody had any preconceptions of how amazing it was supposed to be. Personally I really enjoyed it and so did a few folks I knew. Most of them honestly preferred standard speed though.

 

[neilios]

N.B I guess Crack (Cocaine) is alot harder to get in OZ vs. UK which could explain differences? although can get in the USA and my understanding is Meth is still big there?

I personally do not like any phets that much so hard to comment on preferences, not know that many people who do em and so wouldn't know

 

[Shambles]

Crack is extorionately expensive in Australia from what I've heard - meth must work out massively cheaper. Meth is dirt cheap in America though so can certainly see why it's big there - even at US prices rock is stupidly expensive to be doing all the time.

 

[neilios]

That would explain differences in use perhaps? If you gonna get hooked hard on something you can smoke crack - if not available meth (which strangely they call crack in certain parts of OZ).

A generalisation and obviously 2 different drugs but that could explain the differences in use you think?

After doing it a few times I could definitely feel its grip (I have quite an addictive personality though) but getting into it seems pretty easy and it can really twist you

 

[Shambles]

I think the cultural differences probably play a part too. In Aus and the US there's that whole history of biker gangs producing and distributing meth in large quantites and we don't really have that here. Certainly not to the same extent anyway. It seems to have always been very much a niche market here in the UK.

 

[Acid4Blood]

I do remember reading pill reports a few years ago (2001 ish) and someone called "the gamer" was convinced some of the pills sold as E contained Methamphetamine. Think some were lab tested as positive.

Also some Methamphetamine powder was found in a baggy in a club he frequented.

Yeah, TheGamer had his own wee stall set up to test people's pills in various clubs in London.
He lab-tested pills frequently. The batch that contained meth were pink star treks from 2001.
He tested 3 batches of pink star treks at the time; One @ ~130mg MDMA, one @ ~180mg MDMA & one @ ~150mg MDMA + a small amount of meth.

Only time I ever had meth (in Ireland) was in powder form. Bought 2 grams over xmas/new years, 2003/4.
The hallucinations from days of sleep dep were crazy. The buzz itself was fantastic.... very euphoric & horny , but it was a bit too hardcore for my liking. Too moreish & going days without sleep is not my idea of fun!