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Anyone seen methamphetamine in the UK/Europe?

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Speaking of 4-MAR analogues (and hopefully not derailing this thread), I am utterly gutted the site supposedly releasing 4-EAR I stumbled across one day disappeared...in all fairness the whole sit seems a bit dodge, glad I never got the chance to supply them with my credit card details..
 
A tiny key would keep me going for far too long, if I redosed that was super dangerous for staying awake for days. With meth the amount used was slightly more and the come down although harsher was a bit quicker.

Although come to think of it they are really fucking similar

I had the same problem with 4-MAR, just kept me awake far too long, I ended up necking some seroquel 12 hours after my last pipe, zombified me but I still didn't sleep for another 8 hours or so. I wouldn't touch it again unless I had some very heavy duty benzos on hand.
 
G's the one for stopping strong stims in their tracks. Drink enough and you will fall asleep.
 
Very nice when combined with them in lower doses too, although it can lead to some pretty outrageous behavior.
 
Well got a 100mg of it today never tried, started with 30mg, not much of a burn

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no distinctive taste either, or smell
ney mate is dat pic of some methamp? It looks nothing like the 'ice' i have seen here in sydney/aust. Although the person u bought off may have crushed up the crystals, it doesnt make sense to because the dealer would have a better looking product keeping largercrystals. Small crystals usually mean a poor synth, meth rocks should be hard to break and round'ish in formation, the colour in dat pic seems very white too. heres a pic i just took of some 'ice' recently purchased
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notice the crystals are more randomly shapped and translucent compared to the crystals in ur pic being a white colout and almost uniform in appearance. An easy way to check ur stuff is to mandelin or marquis test it. In mandelin quality meth will go green and adulturated meth goes orange, both different colourx to regular amphetamine.
 
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^ that is exactly what properly synthed, clean crystal methamp looks like from my experience. The shards in the 1st pic look much too small. This is only from my experience tho, and I've only ever known one cook. But OND43X pic looks spot on, in fact looking at it is making me fiend.
 
I find it weird how this is basically unheard of here in Poland, everyone just sticks to regular amphetamine, but just over the border in the Czech Republic there's an absolute epidemic of the stuff and in some places it can sometimes be harder to find weed than meth.

You'd think at least a little would trickle over here, but maybe it's the price difference that's the issue.
 
^^^hey yoyo i notice afew issues with those crystals, the appearance shouts to me that the cook is either not experienced in meth production, he/she is not skilled at purification an crystalisation or it wasnt made to be smoked or sold as crystal methamphetamine/ice and the cook intended on producing a more impure form of meth due to it giving more speedy effects and sold like usual 'base' on the streets.. The damp crystals gives me the impression that it wasnt properly converted from its oil (freebase) form and/or poor synth. The best indication of problems is how each 'shard' is made up of heaps and heaps of tiny crystals that have not properly bonded together. Ice/crystal meth should be properly formed, and thats why the rocks look so grey in colour, they are frosted. Common reasons for methamohetamine to not form proply can be due d'l meth from p2p method, poor extraction of d'meth from pseudo and leftovers from production (impurities). The stuff would still be good, most probably more 'rush like' than normal ice/crystal meth. Ive had stuff sol to me looking alot like whats in that pic but its been sold to me as 'base' which is basically whats commonly sold as speed but 'base' is the product before its been cut up (usually with gluclose), and alot cheaper thzn ice, usually $100 a gram where it costs double that for half a g of ice.ice.
 
Is this actually good advice? A friend mentioned that a friend of his has been raging up the meth and I'm sure it's going to turn up at some point. After reading this thread, I'd like to have one really solid hit, rather than constantly re-dosing. I'd usually titrate up a new drug but I can't be arsed to be awake for a week.

I'm only 9 and a half stone, and generally seem to take fairly low doses of drugs (e.g. any more than 125mg of MDMA stops being fun and is way over-stimulating). Is there a sort of guideline, approximate meth to MD equivalence? I would like to be off my tits, but I don't want to have a heart attack.

125mg is fairly low for an overstimulation threshold for MDMA - my sweet spot is not much higher, at around 150mg, but I can take about 250mg straddling fun and discomfort, and still enjoy the experience. Over that and the experience is seriously affected by adverse effects to the point of being unpleasant.

If 30mg did little or nothing, then putting 50mg is sound advice. If it's your first time trying it, then probably not. If you are inexperienced, without a tolerance, and enjoy MDMA at doses lower than average, then I would advise against it - if it's pure, and crystalline methamphetamine usually is quite pure (at least compared to most street drugs), 50mg could easily be a little too much.

One solid hit is better than redosing which is still better than smoking too much and being awake for 3 days in psychosis. Assuming high purity, efficient smoking technique, and your tolerance, I'd try 20-30mg. It's quite subjective too, though - what some people consider rushing, tweaking, or pronounced euphoric effects, is overstimulation for others. I typically like to use stimulants at levels closer to threshold than excess, but if you're looking to just give it a shot, I'd imagine you want some of the rushing too, not a high for rearranging your bookshelf and generally obsessive-compulsively being disorderly at home. Still, I think for a small person with low acute and natural tolerance, 30mg, if successfully inhaled, should give you an idea of what it's all about. Now, I don't know or have enough experience smoking meth to know how wasteful it generally is, but I have heard the doses are usually around the same as what users would inject, and extrapolating from there, I would guess that 30mg is probably a reasonable amount, 40mg possibly excessive.

Either way, I wouldn't rely too much on a plan which essentially reads "I want an off-my-tits, but not over-stimulating dose of a drug I have never tried before... In the first hit!" To ensure tits-off, you risk overstimulation, I'm afraid. I'd rather make sure of the safety department first and go from there. Also, the first hit is a good gauge of the drug's effects, as effects are usually more or less linear - twice the drug will yield twice the effect.
The best policy, I think, would be to find someone who's been smoking a fair bit of it, and with whom you can relate to one another's drug experiences with relative ease. Ask them how much they smoke for the kinds of effects you desire, and convert that to how much bigger/smaller their amphetamine (or MDMA, if you must, but I think amphetamine sulphate would be better suited) dose is than yours.

Finally, Erowid may have something on doses (although not all drugs do - cocaine, for instance, doesn't) ... It's not meant to be comparative, but seeing where your MDMA dose falls on their scale of threshold-strong might help you select a methamphetamine dose on the same crude scale.
 
^^^hey yoyo i notice afew issues with those crystals, the appearance shouts to me that the cook is either not experienced in meth production, he/she is not skilled at purification an crystalisation or it wasnt made to be smoked or sold as crystal methamphetamine/ice and the cook intended on producing a more impure form of meth due to it giving more speedy effects and sold like usual 'base' on the streets.. The damp crystals gives me the impression that it wasnt properly converted from its oil (freebase) form and/or poor synth. The best indication of problems is how each 'shard' is made up of heaps and heaps of tiny crystals that have not properly bonded together. Ice/crystal meth should be properly formed, and thats why the rocks look so grey in colour, they are frosted. Common reasons for methamohetamine to not form proply can be due d'l meth from p2p method, poor extraction of d'meth from pseudo and leftovers from production (impurities). The stuff would still be good, most probably more 'rush like' than normal ice/crystal meth. Ive had stuff sol to me looking alot like whats in that pic but its been sold to me as 'base' which is basically whats commonly sold as speed but 'base' is the product before its been cut up (usually with gluclose), and alot cheaper thzn ice, usually $100 a gram where it costs double that for half a g of ice.ice.

All good points. Another possible reason for them to be smaller is volume - you can fit a lot more meth into a given volume if it is crushed up as small as possible (although then it would make sense for it to be complete powder instead of smaller shards, but just making a general point), and it is less likely to rupture the package and internal organs (if the drugs need to cross a border). I believe methamphetamine may occasionally be found in this form, but usually when I've had powder methamphetamine it's been highly adulterated.
MDMA, on the other hand, I run into as a powder quite often - and unless I'm buying from an unknown source, which I don't do, I expect it to be as pure as crystal - as far as I understand people don't usually stomp on the stuff, at least not here. Strange - other drugs do get cut, but not MDMA.
 
All good points. Another possible reason for them to be smaller is volume - you can fit a lot more meth into a given volume if it is crushed up as small as possible (although then it would make sense for it to be complete powder instead of smaller shards, but just making a general point), and it is less likely to rupture the package and internal organs (if the drugs need to cross a border). I believe methamphetamine may occasionally be found in this form, but usually when I've had powder methamphetamine it's been highly adulterated.
MDMA, on the other hand, I run into as a powder quite often - and unless I'm buying from an unknown source, which I don't do, I expect it to be as pure as crystal - as far as I understand people don't usually stomp on the stuff, at least not here. Strange - other drugs do get cut, but not MDMA.

Ket seems to be cut to a minimum round where I am aswell as all the psychs. And i've seen bunk MD powder but never cut (ie with any MD in it)
 
Thanks for the response, really helpful.

Either way, I wouldn't rely too much on a plan which essentially reads "I want an off-my-tits, but not over-stimulating dose of a drug I have never tried before... In the first hit!" To ensure tits-off, you risk overstimulation, I'm afraid.

Sadly, when you put it like that, the plan does sound a little optimistic. Suppose that if/when the meth does come into play, I will have to experiment a little. Harm reduction strikes again.

Regarding effective administration, I was planning to smoke it in a glass pipe with a jet lighter. I'm fan of this method generally because you can see the smoke and it's much easier to ensure that you inhale it all than vaping off foil. I'm really not great at vaping at all - have never managed to get the hang of it. Is a glass pipe a reasonable way of smoking meth?
 
^^It is mate, enjoy! I'm jealous:D

If you are struggling with technique there are plenty of documentaries on youtube about ice to help you
 
Why is methamphetamine so expensive? And you forked out for a whole gram how long would that last? And is buying 0.1g even worth the bother?
 
Why is methamphetamine so expensive? And you forked out for a whole gram how long would that last? And is buying 0.1g even worth the bother?

Economics, supply and demand, and all that stuff? In most places in Europe, (crystal) meth is a bit of a novelty drug, not the staple of your stereotypical junkie like in the States. I don't know, but I'd hazard a guess that since it's a bit of a rarity the few producers can pretty much set their own price, within reason. Maybe a few business-savvy dealers have formed a cartel and realized that apart from the real fiends, a gram of methamphetamine sold means they won't be seeing that customer for a few days.

Depending on your stimulant use habits, a gram could last you from a couple of days to a couple of weeks. As soon as you go into binge territory tolerance skyrockets as with most stimulants, and meth is particularly more-ish because the main euphoric effects last about a third of the time you're still stimulated - with twice the amount of time you've been high still to go on tweaking, sans euphoria, going for another hit/bump/parachute is extremely tempting. You could still probably squeeze out a continuous three or four day meth binge out of the one gram, with patient redosing.

0.1g may be worth it if you don't waste it and the price isn't ridiculous. In harm reduction terms it may even be better; if the meth is pure, 0.1g will get you through a night of partying, and you won't have to deal with temptations to redose as you won't have any left. A decent dose of meth is good for at least 12 hours' stimulation.

EDIT: Oh, and this is assuming high purity.
 
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Why is methamphetamine so expensive? And you forked out for a whole gram how long would that last? And is buying 0.1g even worth the bother?

A 0.2 will last me 24-36 hours of smoking and have me literally to the teeth. And that's me saying that. I've done 0.7's of PV in a day, obviously with tollerance built up, still the meth at £75 a g which is best price for decent looking dutch shards at the moment is a good deal. 4-7 days of euphoria/insanity. It's the Rolls Royce of euphoric/insane stimulants.
 
Why is methamphetamine so expensive? And you forked out for a whole gram how long would that last? And is buying 0.1g even worth the bother?

it all depends on the purity and what form the methamphetamine came in, in pills, powder ()called 'speed' and snorted and usually only used by newbies or teens), wet crystalline or liquidy form (known where i am as 'base'(has a strong smell and usually eatin or snorted but can sometimes be smoked but leaves dark residue) and dry translucent crystal form (called 'ice or 'crystal meth' and is smoked usually or snorted and has very little or no smell preferably). First time i tried meth was in pill form and 1 pill had me going hzrd for hours. 1 gram of good quality 'ice' would last fucking ages, lol 3 to 4 points has lasted me like 4 days on a binge, when i say binge i mean for 3/4 days 24 hours non stop off my head. 50 - 100mg would be enough for a whole night depending on quality
 
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