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Anyone seen methamphetamine in the UK/Europe?

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never booted coke, dont like the horrible shit. But booting meth is unbelievable, i know i know harm reduction an' all but the euphoria is so intense. Only problem is the euphoria wears off so much quicker than the stimulation does, so you end up tweaked to Fuck and pissed off, which is where the awful redose cycle of meth really starts kicking your arse!
 
^^ You describe meth the way I'd describe cocaine, but I've not tried meth.

Taken from a 'coke vs meth' thread:

"A meth high delivers almost no euphoria. Why is it fun to feel mostly just a strong speed high? That's damn boring. Benzos mixed with meth bring a little euphoria into the experience.
Cocaine gives the best high that humans have ever and probably will ever experience. This is so true. If you haven't IVed cocaine then you dont matter right now. Snorted cocaine is nothing special. An IV hit of coke is THEE best you will ever feel in your life.
There's two types of drugs. IV coke is one type and all other drugs are the other. It stands alone".
 
it's strange the different experiences from different people aint it. I've never been a coke fan, and even crack never quite got me to Where i wanna be. Meth hit all the right spots for me, this is gonna sound gross but a couple of times banging meth made me spontaneously cum, how mental is that. It comes with such a high price tho, i lost 2 years of my life to it. And god knows how many brain cells.
 
never booted coke, dont like the horrible shit. But booting meth is unbelievable, i know i know harm reduction an' all but the euphoria is so intense. Only problem is the euphoria wears off so much quicker than the stimulation does, so you end up tweaked to Fuck and pissed off, which is where the awful redose cycle of meth really starts kicking your arse!

Other way around for me - I've shot coke but not meth. Only smoked meth, snorted it and taken it orally. But what you described is the biggest problem with meth and why I curse it and would rather even take racemic amphetamine sulphate (preferrably pure dex, of course).
Meth already loses value for me as a functional stimulant for the initial euphoria, which inhibits some cognitive processes for the first few hours; it's hard to focus on studying, for example, when feeling 'amped' like you do to begin with. However, instead of this plateauing into a cleaner, more neutral high, you experience a crash in mental effects, while still stimulated physically. The physical stimulation persists for so long after the euphoria subsides that it is very easy to justify redosing to oneself; the typical scenario is that you realize you're coming down but are still not going to get sleep for a few hours, and redose, ensuring that you're not going to get sleep until the following night. Assuming you don't redose again. Tens of times I've tried to take a controlled dose so I could fall asleep in the evening, but ended up awake all night, and taking more meth in the morning to last the following day (and possibly night). I also get an 'inexplicable fiending' element, craving more when I know full well it would yield no euphoria and a horrible crash, including quasi-psychotic symptoms and a visit from the shadow people.

That fiending, coupled with its long duration, make it pretty hard to avoid excessive binges. If you're fiending coke and take an extra line, you'll pay for your mistake for the next 30 minutes or so. With meth it's at least 6 hours, probably more.

"A meth high delivers almost no euphoria. Why is it fun to feel mostly just a strong speed high? That's damn boring. Benzos mixed with meth bring a little euphoria into the experience.
Cocaine gives the best high that humans have ever and probably will ever experience. This is so true. If you haven't IVed cocaine then you dont matter right now. Snorted cocaine is nothing special. An IV hit of coke is THEE best you will ever feel in your life.
There's two types of drugs. IV coke is one type and all other drugs are the other. It stands alone".

I haven't injected meth but friends who have say that cocaine yields the better high when injected. I consider smoked and insufflated meth far more euphoric than smoked or insufflated cocaine, and even orally taken meth is superior, if less intense. However, I'm told that IV meth is basically like smoking it, only possibly more intense - same effects. Slamming cocaine yields completely different effects; instead of being stimulated, I find myself unable to move, paralyzed by a tingling euphoria (feels like a cross between a K-Hole, high-dose MDMA and an opiate).

My friend injects meth quite frequently and doesn't rate it all that highly. IV coke he says is joint top on his most euphoric drug effects - and I have to say I agree. I can't decide between coke and morphine but in terms of pure chemical euphoria, those are supreme.
 
More like 10 hours. I've still been buzzing 12 hours after doing meth easily.

It definately is not a "functional stimulant" but then I doubt anyone would use cocaine in that mannor either. Smoked meth was definately more euphoric than smoked crack, the coke we washed up was alright, no flake though.

I probably prefer coke to meth for this reason (and the comedown)

If you're fiending coke and take an extra line, you'll pay for your mistake for the next 30 minutes or so. With meth it's at least 6 hours, probably more.

Less commitment to it. That said if I was going on a bender I'd far rather have the meth, better dunt.
 
Slamming cocaine yields completely different effects; instead of being stimulated, I find myself unable to move, paralyzed by a tingling euphoria (feels like a cross between a K-Hole, high-dose MDMA and an opiate).

Better never try that then. Be game over in terms of addiction ha!
 
The physical stimulation persists for so long after the euphoria subsides that it is very easy to justify redosing to oneself; the typical scenario is that you realize you're coming down but are still not going to get sleep for a few hours, and redose, ensuring that you're not going to get sleep until the following night. Assuming you don't redose again. Tens of times I've tried to take a controlled dose so I could fall asleep in the evening, but ended up awake all night, and taking more meth in the morning to last the following day (and possibly night).

Interesting. Can you not just take a bunch of benzos to induce sleep at the point that tweaking out stops being fun? That's what I'd generally do when this happens with stims. Haven't tried meth, though seems inevitable at some point, so would like to know what I'm letting myself in for.
 
Benzo's wont put you to sleep on meth. It is as said euphoric as fuck for the first few hours then gets sketchy for about the same maybe a bit longer. Benzo's would be idea to get rid of the sketch but you would need a lot of them. And I doubt they would bring on sleep. I reckon 50 blues to a gram of meth would be good. The gram of meth will last 3-4 days, I'd be sketchy by day 2, so you could just munch the vals as needed til the end where you would have 30 or so left for the following brutality.

Probably make life a bit easier.
 
God, I hate taking stims which you can't sleep on even with benzos. Prefer downers anyway, really. Might not bother. Unless I've consumed any other drugs or alcohol at the point that meth happens to pop up, in which case I definitely will.
 
More like 10 hours. I've still been buzzing 12 hours after doing meth easily.

Hell yeah. I've parachuted some and been awake for over 24 hours without redosing. If you take a reasonable dose and you're already coming off the back of a night or two without sleep, then I've been able to pass out in as little as 6 hours.

Interesting. Can you not just take a bunch of benzos to induce sleep at the point that tweaking out stops being fun? That's what I'd generally do when this happens with stims. Haven't tried meth, though seems inevitable at some point, so would like to know what I'm letting myself in for.

Yes, but depending on how hard you're tweaking - and chances are you're tweaking hard, since even after 12 hours you'll probably have dosed multiple times (euphoria subsides quite quickly) - you will probably need quite a lot of them. I don't always have large quantities of powerfully sedative benzos around, and methamphetamine packs a serious fucking whallop for a long fucking time.

If I have to fall asleep on meth I'll take levomepromazine (Nozinan); that's the only drug sedating enough I've tried that'll put me out for sure at reasonable doses. Too bad it fucks me up for the next day.
 
Yes, but depending on how hard you're tweaking - and chances are you're tweaking hard, since even after 12 hours you'll probably have dosed multiple times (euphoria subsides quite quickly) - you will probably need quite a lot of them. I don't always have large quantities of powerfully sedative benzos around, and methamphetamine packs a serious fucking whallop for a long fucking time.

If I have to fall asleep on meth I'll take levomepromazine (Nozinan); that's the only drug sedating enough I've tried that'll put me out for sure at reasonable doses. Too bad it fucks me up for the next day.

I've just underestimated it again. My last dose was a parachute approximately 24 hours from now. I drank 1.5l of beer (5% ), smoked almost a gram of high-grade bud, took 15mg midazolam and tried to go to sleep. Not a chance.
 
Oral meth is a pain in the arse for that. It just lasts soooo fucking long. The only thing i can think of it being usefull for is if you had to drive across the country in one go or something.
We used to chase a bit of brown and drop blues like they were smarties sometimes when we were just desperate to get some sleep. Sometimes it would work, but mostly the meth would cut right through it. I have no desire to ever try 4-MAR for this very duration issue. Fuck that!
 
I never tried it orally but sniffed it lasted a looong time! I think when I it again I would just use it as a party drug and sniff it, I was almost debating getting half a gram for creamfields. Chop it with some dextrose half g into 2g of 'speed' and just sniff it. Hopefully this would be less painful. Sniffing shards really is not nice and fucks your throat, it's ok for a couple of lines but pretty sore for a whole binge.
 
I don't really like normal speed much anymore. I only ever do it if I'm blazing drunk. Meth is far more euphoric and a better hit altogether no matter how you dose it. I reckon cut with dextrose it would take away the burning sensation and probably be ok to sniff.
 
Yeah i reckon you're right, you'll get More of a drip tho and that makes me gag. The only type of amphet that even comes close to meth is dex, but normal street speed has too much peripheral stimulation these days for me. For some reason the older I'm getting the less i can tolerate the effects of levo.
 
I grasp that the technique itself isn't particularly complex and the precursors not particularly challenging either to acquire, however I was under the impression that the process is going to give off some powerful smells that would be prohibitory to doing a synth unless you lived way away from other people?

Care to comment Dread calm?

I'd imagine cooking anywhere but the countryside might put you at a high risk of detection.
 
I grasp that the technique itself isn't particularly complex and the precursors not particularly challenging either to acquire, however I was under the impression that the process is going to give off some powerful smells that would be prohibitory to doing a synth unless you lived way away from other people?

Care to comment Dread calm?

I'd imagine cooking anywhere but the countryside might put you at a high risk of detection.

People have been cooking a lot in urban areas lately. A few have been raided, but most get discovered when they burn to the ground and the poor firefighters run into a building full of highly flammable chemicals without being warned. I also heard that in America they hook car batteries upto the door handle, but that might have been breaking bad or something?
 
Yeah the smell is proper rough, it completely sucks the oxygen Outta the room too so it feels like you're suffocating even being in there. Luckily the barn we used to frequent was about 2 miles from any house so it was pretty safe. Not safe on the fire hazard front tho, one end was full of hay bails and i witnessed a couple of small fire accidents, not big enough to get Outta control tho. I can see why its easy to blow yourself up when cooking meth, he'd been doing it forever and still had the odd slip up.

The precursor was easy to get Hold of, not sure if he used ephedrine or pseudo but it was easy to order it in bulk off the net. I do remember being told that the pseudo in sudafed at the time was useless Cos it just gelled as soon as you touched it. Iodine in bulk from a nearby horse vet type place, apparently horse owners use it for horses feet or summit. Carb cleaner piss easy to get. Wait, does this break sourcing rules?
 
Yeah the smell is proper rough, it completely sucks the oxygen Outta the room too so it feels like you're suffocating even being in there. Luckily the barn we used to frequent was about 2 miles from any house so it was pretty safe. Not safe on the fire hazard front tho, one end was full of hay bails and i witnessed a couple of small fire accidents, not big enough to get Outta control tho. I can see why its easy to blow yourself up when cooking meth, he'd been doing it forever and still had the odd slip up.

The precursor was easy to get Hold of, not sure if he used ephedrine or pseudo but it was easy to order it in bulk off the net. I do remember being told that the pseudo in sudafed at the time was useless Cos it just gelled as soon as you touched it. Iodine in bulk from a nearby horse vet type place, apparently horse owners use it for horses feet or summit. Carb cleaner piss easy to get. Wait, does this break sourcing rules?

I think general talk of what precursors are needed is fine upto a point. Just no direct synth discussion cus BL doesn't need the attention that would bring...
 
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