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Anyone seen methamphetamine in the UK/Europe?

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parttime crackhead said:
I think at the moment the people with the ability & resources to "flood the market" with meth just simply don't need to. If you're already shifting as much cocaine, heroin etc as you possibly can then why would you need crystal meth and the extra risk associated with creating a new market? Like MSB's just said, we'd probably see it kick off more if there was a serious lack of other drugs (like in Australia).
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I think another problem with meth amp is that it is sold relatively pure. And when you give someone a baggy that looks like it just has residue in it for £20 they aren't going to be a repeat customer... So many people use drugs because they have a fixation with whatever method they choose to administer them. Half the 'coke heads' in the country are actually just 'lidocaine and pro plus heads'. It's the same reason MXE didn't take off on the streets like mcat. People couldn't just sit there being the big man hoovering up line after line for days on end.
 
He'd sell to us for various prices, depending on how much surplus he had or how desperate he was for money for an ingredient hunt. Usually between 30 and 40 a gram but cos we'd hang at his for days at a time he'd be almost throwing it at us for nothing, or saying things like "just give me whatever you've got for it" so sometimes got away with paying as little as 20 a gram. It was a very tight lipped arrangement and there was Maybe 10 or 12 of us altogether. After a few months of it tho we didnt socialise with anyone else in the world apart from ourselves, god knows what people must've thought of us. I've got some horrific photos of me from back then and i think Christ i look just like the Scary meth mugshots the yanks show people.
As for my health now, I'd say I'm completely recovered. I have a lot of trouble sleeping but i dont know if that's directly related to it or not. Got a couple of scars from picking myself to pieces. I'd say it took at least 2yrs to completely recover from it tho, probably slowed down my recovery Cos i was still using other drugs. But I'm all good . . . . . . I think, i hope!
 
I've always wondered concidering how shit the 'base' round here can be why they don't just make 20% meth 80% glucose and sell it as 'speed', takes away the stigma of 'Crystal Meth' and would be a better high than most of the racemic phet or coke is.

Dread glad to hear you made your recovery mate, must have been hellish that. I'd be 8 stone too if I did meth for 2 years straight. Fair play to you for your sober effort now, cheers for the story too, interesting to hear from someone who's experianced the meth scene first hand in the UK.
 
The only thing i never did was bang it, a few others got into it but i was happy enough at the time with smokin or snorting. The guy that served us up had been booting the shit for over ten yrs, he almost seemed immune to it tho.
Now and then he'd experiment with various ways of synthing and a couple of time he produced a slimy, gross chemically pot of crap that although probably toxic as Fuck actually seemed stronger than the clean pure crystal. It was weird, i guess it was wat the yanks call crank? If he'd have chopped that shit up 10 parts cut to 1 part crank he could've made a mint by selling it as speed, and it'd still been better gear than anything else around at the time. Wasn't interested tho, all he wanted was enough money to make the next batch. I saw him hoover up lines of crystal that'd keep a normal user up for a week, and he'd sleep a few hours later. Mental!
 
I saw him hoover up lines of crystal that'd keep a normal user up for a week, and he'd sleep a few hours later. Mental!
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Tollerance with drugs can get unreal though, like people who do half gram lines of K and don't hole. Or g+ lines of mephedrone. It gets sick quick ha.

Meth must be sooo bad for you when impure. I reckon your cook probably flipped the lid one day lost the plot and either moved location or is dead.
 
Yeah he clearly had a proper psychotic episode one night and thought MI5 were staking him out or something so he just done a bunk. In all honesty my getting clean was forced, if he'd stayed around god knows what woulda happened. I'm under no illusions, i would've kept on it and inevitably started pinning when other roa's started to fail.
Never underestimate the bodies ability to develop tolerance. The thing with meth is its so fuckin powerful that u can just take More and stay tweaked forever, unlike our uk amphet when u get to 3 days or so and you're finished.
I watched a guy boot so much brown one night that it looked like an entire syringe of dark brown sludge, enough to make several moderate scag users all fall out instantly, he barely even nodded. Insane!
 
What was your longest awake then? I've hit 5 nights on the drone before a couple times.....absolute psychosis, accusing mates of everything left right and centre, everyone falling out, freaking out, yet still sniffing. Awful. I even flushed 7gs at the end of one of those benders it was that horrible. PV is the same, only 2 drugs I've ever flushed, probably the 2 most fiendy drugs I've touched too. I didn't think meth was as fiendy as mephedrone cos it lasts so much longer. You do still fiend it though, lol, I can imagine what a catastrophe those 2 years must have been.

Any eventful psychosis stories for us? :D
 
atm23 said:
Agreed from what I can tell, meth in the US hit like a second wave following on from crack. Its way more cost effective than crack but then what isn't
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It's more cost effective for like 3 days, but tolerance build up quickly and it's not as intense as cocaine unless you IV or do a big hot rail. Usually everyone ends up doing about the same amount per day of either one.

In a lot of states it has always been around, sometimes as far back as the 50's, and continued through the 80's to present.
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
That, or meth crazes come about when crack and smack are unavailable or prohibitively expensive. In the US it is more popular where it's difficult to get smack and crack
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Not necessarily. A lot of the top states in the USA for meth use are also among the top for cocaine use. Somewhere in the southwest USA meth, H, coke/crack, and other shit are common. It's really two different markets. Some like meth, others like coke. Often a dealer will sell both.

I really don't think meth is that much worse than amphetamine. It's like morphine vs. heroin, though a bit more similar. You could cut it twice as much as amphetamine and I'd bet everyone would be none the wiser. Euro Speedfreaks would probably think it was just a good batch of speed.

I did wonder if maybe it had something to do with the cooks' skills and preferences. Doubt they'd want to use precious precursors on a new untested shit.
 
Whoa, hold on. At first hit i agree you probably wouldnt think it was much different than normal amp, but you soon realise the difference after a few days of use. I think 3 or 4 days out of the best base I've had was my limit. 10 days 9 nights from meth was my record and i genuinely think i could've made another night, but i got hold of myself and made myself stop. Pure crystal is insane, if you're going to use the heroin/morphine analogy it'd only work if you was taking the odd morphine pill vs banging the best smack you've ever seen. It is that much different.
 
I've only ever had a gram, and I've had mountains of normal phet, ranging from absolute glucose to pure sulphate crystals from lithuania. Mostly pretty strong stuff by UK standards though. I can honestly say meth blows any racemic amphet sulphate clean out of the water.
 
Dread calm said:
Whoa, hold on. At first hit i agree you probably wouldnt think it was much different than normal amp, but you soon realise the difference after a few days of use. I think 3 or 4 days out of the best base I've had was my limit. 10 days 9 nights from meth was my record and i genuinely think i could've made another night, but i got hold of myself and made myself stop. Pure crystal is insane, if you're going to use the heroin/morphine analogy it'd only work if you was taking the odd morphine pill vs banging the best smack you've ever seen. It is that much different.
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Haha, sounds like comparing DHC with fentanyl to me.
 
Dread calm said:
if you're going to use the heroin/morphine analogy it'd only work if you was taking the odd morphine pill vs banging the best smack you've ever seen.
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That's exactly what I meant;).
 
^ This. It's probably not wise for you Cornish, the meth I tried was more euphoric than the crack I tried and more sociable too. I'd do meth again I wouldn't ever bother with crack again.
 
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